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TheMercenary 02-18-2010 01:40 PM

Well I guess you could make a case for all the Gov's of AK who had kids with Downs Syndrome being easily confused with each other. I saw the episode as well. I wasn't all that bothered by it but I can see why she might be.

Flint 02-18-2010 01:43 PM

I don't remember "all the Gov's of AK who had kids with Downs Syndrome" being mentioned. It must have been a real doozy...

Happy Monkey 02-18-2010 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman (Post 635667)
Does anyone here really think Palin has or should have a shot in hell at ever getting elected?

Should? No. Can? Maybe.

TheMercenary 02-18-2010 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 635644)
The post you were responding to was about McCain, and said nothing about his parenting skills or whether he should have been a politician. So no, you were pointing out no duplicity or hypocracy.

Bull shit. You have no authority or crystal ball to define my intentions in a post. So no, you are full of shit. When you get the ability to get into any individual posters head and tell us all what their intentions are let me know. There is a whole Congress of scumbags I want you to examine.:rolleyes:

TheMercenary 02-18-2010 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint (Post 635692)
I don't remember "all the Gov's of AK who had kids with Downs Syndrome" being mentioned. It must have been a real doozy...

Guess you never actually saw the episode. Whateva....

Happy Monkey 02-18-2010 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 635769)
Bull shit. You have no authority or crystal ball to define my intentions in a post.

I don't need authority or a crystal ball to read your post, the post it was replying to, or the thread they were in. There was nothing about McCains parenting skills, or his decision to become a senator despite having a family. So no, you were pointing out no duplicity or hypocracy.

I'd need a crystal ball to discover whether you actually believed that you were, but if you did then you were incorrect.

Flint 02-18-2010 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 635770)
Guess you never actually saw the episode. Whateva....

Bull shit. You have no authority or crystal ball to define my [anything]. So no, you are full of shit.

TheMercenary 02-18-2010 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint (Post 635813)
Bull shit. You have no authority or crystal ball to define my [anything]. So no, you are full of shit.

Fuck off mate. Just admit you never saw it or that you can see how the majority of other people could see that they were talking about Palin. Don't be a dick.

TheMercenary 02-18-2010 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 635797)
I don't need authority or a crystal ball to read your post, the post it was replying to, or the thread they were in. There was nothing about McCains parenting skills, or his decision to become a senator despite having a family. So no, you were pointing out no duplicity or hypocracy.

I'd need a crystal ball to discover whether you actually believed that you were, but if you did then you were incorrect.

What was the date of the discussion? But you made the Assumption. So you were wrong. It was totally about hypocracy and duplicity.

Flint 02-18-2010 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 635814)
Fuck off mate. Just admit you never saw it or that you can see how the majority of other people could see that they were talking about Palin. Don't be a dick.

I don't give a fuck about your panties being in a wad because of whatever dumbass bullshit is going on is this thread. Don't call me a liar, TWICE IN A FUCKING ROW you fucking prick. You think I give a shit about some political bullshit that I am going to lie about whether I watch Family Guy? What the fuck planet are you from? I said I don't remember the Palin comment, and in fact, I had to search through about four different Youtube videos before I found it. It wasn't memorable.

Don't let your being in an argument with Happy Monkey let you feel like it is okay to call me a liar, right to my face, after I already indicated that it offended me--because that is NOT okay, you piece of shit. Fuck you, and fuck your stuck-in-a-rut fucking mindset which makes you too goddamn stupid to read and comprehend a simple comment. You can cram whatever your stupid point was up your ass.

TheMercenary 02-18-2010 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint (Post 635833)
I don't give a fuck about your panties being in a wad because of whatever dumbass bullshit is going on is this thread. Don't call me a liar, TWICE IN A FUCKING ROW you fucking prick. You think I give a shit about some political bullshit that I am going to lie about whether I watch Family Guy? What the fuck planet are you from? I said I don't remember the Palin comment, and in fact, I had to search through about four different Youtube videos before I found it. It wasn't memorable.

Don't let your being in an argument with Happy Monkey let you feel like it is okay to call me a liar, right to my face, after I already indicated that it offended me--because that is NOT okay, you piece of shit. Fuck you, and fuck your stuck-in-a-rut fucking mindset which makes you too goddamn stupid to read and comprehend a simple comment. You can cram whatever your stupid point was up your ass.

I guess no one else saw it your way. You are full of shit and you know it. I don't even like Palin. You are the one with your panties in a wad.

Quote:

After making headlines for calling out Rahm Emanuel for his use of the word "retard," Sarah Palin may have a new target: "Family Guy." The show, which has a history of crossing the line at every opportunity, took a shot at Palin last night, mocking her son with Down syndrome.

In the episode, a main character, Chris, dates a mentally disabled girl. While never mentioning Palin by name, the girl drew a clear comparison to her son, Trig, when she told Chris, "My dad's an accountant, and my mom's the former governor of Alaska."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_462522.html

Redux 02-18-2010 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 635834)
I guess no one else saw it your way. You are full of shit and you know it. I don't even like Palin. You are the one with your panties in a wad, fucking liar.

For the record, Rahm Emanuel's use of the word "retard" once with no reference at all to Palin...yet, she was offended.

Then Limbaugh went on a 5-10 minute rampage on his show with "retard" this and "retard" that ..refering to "retards" like 30 times and that did not offend Palin.

WTF?

TheMercenary 02-18-2010 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redux (Post 635835)
For the record, Rahm Emanuel's use of the word "retard" once with no reference at all to Palin...yet, she was offended.

Then Limbaugh went on a 5-10 minute rampage on his show with "retard" this and "retard" that ..refering to "retards" like 30 times and that did not offend Palin.

WTF?

As I stated before, Limbaugh is an idiot. So is Rahm it Home Emanuel. That was not the point of this discussion. The point is there is no doubt about the dig that FG was making towards Palin.

Flint 02-18-2010 09:36 PM

You are an idiot. Three times now you've called me a liar because I stated that I don't remember a joke. You obvioulsy are foaming at the mouth so much right now that you somehow think that my statement had anyhting to do with whatever the fuck your point in this thread is, which, incidentally, is something I don't even know or care about in the least. So, congratulations, you are using the ultimate power of the internet to tell me which TV shows I watched at my house, all in the name of some stupid goddamn point which I will blissfully continue to have no idea even exists.

By the way, nice late edit to remove you calling me a liar again, for no discernable goddamn reason.

TheMercenary 02-18-2010 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint (Post 635846)
You are an idiot. Three times now you've called me a liar because I stated that I don't remember a joke. You obvioulsy are foaming at the mouth so much right now that you somehow think that my statement had anyhting to do with whatever the fuck your point in this thread is, which, incidentally, is something I don't even know or care about in the least. So, congratulations, you are using the ultimate power of the internet to tell me which TV shows I watched at my house, all in the name of some stupid goddamn point which I will blissfully continue to have no idea even exists.

By the way, nice late edit to remove you calling me a liar again, for no discernable goddamn reason.

:corn: Yea, I figured you were really not worth it.

Flint 02-18-2010 09:44 PM

An honorable man doesn't act the way you are acting, regardless of whether he is hiding behind the internet. You're calling me a liar (about, incidentally, something which is completely unprovable) and the worst part is you are doing it for no reason. You think you are proving a point, but the only thing you have proven is that you are a shitty person. I will not forget this. Whether you think this matters to you or not, I will never be able to read your posts again without thinking that you are a worthless piece of shit. Great job, great job. You did good today.

TheMercenary 02-18-2010 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint (Post 635850)
An honorable man doesn't act the way you are acting, regardless of whether he is hiding behind the internet. You're calling me a liar (about, incidentally, something which is completely unprovable) and the worst part is you are doing it for no reason. You think you are proving a point, but the only thing you have proven is that you are a shitty person. I will not forget this. Whether you think this matters to you or not, I will never be able to read your posts again without thinking that you are a worthless piece of shit.

:corn:

You have blown this out of proportion, but whatever. I don't have time for your bullshit rants.

Flint 02-18-2010 09:57 PM

Yeah, "whatever" is a substantive response. That fixes it. Hard to imagine why would I get mad about being called, directly and without a trace of ambiguity, a liar, three times in a row, by someone who keeps doing it instead of apologizing like a decent person would do. Regarding something which was a non-point to begin with. Sure, nobody would regard that as an affront to basic human civility. Hope your "point" (whatever it was) was worth it.

Flint 02-18-2010 10:11 PM

So anyway, my theory is that Seth MacFarlane's true dream in life was to be a Broadway song and dance man. Stewie's little musical routines are just his way of acting out that fantasy. And all the characters he voices, for that matter (Stewie's pseudo-British accent just brings the point home).

TheMercenary 02-18-2010 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint (Post 635856)
Yeah, "whatever" is a substantive response. That fixes it. Hard to imagine why would I get mad about being called, directly and without a trace of ambiguity, a liar, three times in a row, by someone who keeps doing it instead of apologizing like a decent person would do. Regarding something which was a non-point to begin with. Sure, nobody would regard that as an affront to basic human civility. Hope your "point" (whatever it was) was worth it.

Nothing I could say or do at this point would fix shit. You have made that evident. Carry on.

Flint 02-18-2010 10:17 PM

You're not even capable of following the breadcrumbs I laid out for you?

Flint 02-18-2010 10:17 PM

Carrying on (again)... So anyway, my theory is that Seth MacFarlane's true dream in life was to be a Broadway song and dance man.

TheMercenary 02-18-2010 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint (Post 635860)
You're not even capable of following the breadcrumbs I laid out for you?

After that diatribe? :lol: fuck off.

Flint 02-18-2010 10:24 PM

Carrying on (third attempt)... So anyway, my theory is that Seth MacFarlane's true dream in life was to be a Broadway song and dance man.

Redux 02-18-2010 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint (Post 635850)
An honorable man doesn't act the way you are acting, regardless of whether he is hiding behind the internet. You're calling me a liar (about, incidentally, something which is completely unprovable) and the worst part is you are doing it for no reason. You think you are proving a point, but the only thing you have proven is that you are a shitty person. I will not forget this. Whether you think this matters to you or not, I will never be able to read your posts again without thinking that you are a worthless piece of shit. Great job, great job. You did good today.

Hey!

I still hold the record of being called a liar, an asshole, a scumbag.....by Merc. You're not getting my gold medal!

He's your typical internet bully....but laughable, because he is so transparent and predictable...and so easy to expose his "facts" and occasionally poke until he has a meltdown.

Everything you else noted is absolutely true.

TheMercenary 02-18-2010 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redux (Post 635866)
Hey!

I still hold the record of being called a liar, an asshole, a scumbag.....by Merc. You're not getting my gold medal!

He's your typical internet bully....but laughable, because he is so transparent and predictable...and so easy to expose and occasionally poke until he has a meltdown.

Everything you else noted is absolutely true.

:corn:

What you don't have the guts to repeat it?

No meltdown here. Why don't you have the guts to repeat his statements if you support him?

tw 02-18-2010 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 635862)
After that diatribe? fuck off.

Why is it that the supporters of George Jr and Cheney, advocates of "Mission Accomplished", posters of so much rhetoric from Limbaugh, promoters of the Liberal verse Conservative mantra, haters of science, advocates of welfare to the rich, and those who deny this economic disaster we all 2000 through 2009 ... why do these same people also post profanity and cheap shots everywhere in the Cellar?

Well that the political agenda promoted by neocons who also said, "We want Obama to fail."

These same neocons did virtually everything they could to protect bin Laden. And (I suspect) they wrap themselves in the American flag everytime they go to bed.

xoxoxoBruce 02-19-2010 12:59 AM

Quote:

In the episode, a main character, Chris, dates a mentally disabled girl. While never mentioning Palin by name, the girl drew a clear comparison to her son, Trig, when she told Chris, "My dad's an accountant, and my mom's the former governor of Alaska."
No, she was saying, my father was an accountant and my mother was a retard.

Trilby 02-19-2010 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 635908)
No, she was saying, my father was an accountant and my mother was a retard.

bruce with the win!

Shawnee123 02-19-2010 11:36 AM

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Who loves 'em some Flint? Er, uh, I mean, Samuel Lapp.

classicman 02-19-2010 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 635876)
supporters ~snip~ advocates ~snip~ promoters ~snip~ haters ... why do these same people also post profanity and cheap shots everywhere in the Cellar?

One simple question for you tommy - and it only needs a one word answer - yes or no.

Didn't you call a posters wife a "gonorrhea dripping whore"?

SamIam 02-19-2010 12:17 PM

The Cellar - we provide our own trolls.

:angel:

Happy Monkey 02-19-2010 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 635816)
What was the date of the discussion? But you made the Assumption. So you were wrong. It was totally about hypocracy and duplicity.

Shawnee linked to it, mr "google my sources yourself". I made no assumptions; I read the post. Your post pointed out no duplicity or hypocracy.

Sheldonrs 02-19-2010 01:32 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7zvGGSkLe0


An interesting twist.

tw 02-19-2010 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman (Post 636024)
Didn't you call a posters wife a "gonorrhea dripping whore"?

As a wacko extremist, you routinely forget relevant facts. Once we discussed your wife's gonorrhea, you suddenly stopped doing incendiary attacks. I do not apologize for slapping you back to civility using the only tone you understand. Posts as equally nasty finally made you civil - for a while. Wackos forget lessons from history. Why should it be necessary for for him to learn again?

Redux has accurately described your political agenda:
Quote:

To ignore the Clinton "finding" to kill Bin Laden, the Clarke memo, and the disbanding of Alec Station and the diversion of resources from Afghanistan to Iraq.....is the revisionist history and is nothing short of irresponsible and inaccurate.
morethanpretty also described Classicman's political agenda in Choosing network adapter in the Technology board.
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The cheapshot at TW before he ever even posted in this thread was very unwarranted and bad taste. I don't appreciate it in the politics threads (any of the cheap shots taken by anyone), but shit like that needs to stay in those threads. I generally stay away from them because I don't like all the personal attacks. I hate that the politics threads are so immature and unpleasant because of it,
Why does classicman post cheapshots? It works. It makes others (you) not challenge wacko politics. It makes you zone out. Wackoman was caught and exposed lying. Overt and intentional lying. He posted what the political agenda ordered him to believe: Tsonis’ paper as proof of global cooling. Then his lie was exposed by facts:
http://www.cellar.org/showthread.php...nic#post625815
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This sudden climate change was not the point of his paper. Tsonis' paper is about a new simulation technique that maybe only applies to weather changed anthropogenically. Credibility is in the mathematics of his simulation - not in the simulation's result.
wackoman has ratcheted up his personal attacks to a frequency not seen since we had to discuss his family gonorrhea. Cheap shots. Lying. He even denies how his beloved president all but protected bin Laden. Classicman wants Obama to fail. To prove his reality – more aggressive insults and personal attacks.

It was necessary to be as nasty as classicman - to restore civility. Need we relive history? Unchallenged nastiness is how Hitler gained power. Classicman is doing what he was told to do. Nasty cheapshots work because others (ie morethanpretty) will zone out. Do not challenge his lies and personal attacks. Cheapshots work. This time his lies were flagrantly exposed in the Tsonis example. So he escalates his cheapshot attacks to now constant frequency. He forgets why it was necessary to discuss his family gonorrhea. A disease directly traceable to his political agenda.

TheMercenary 02-19-2010 03:20 PM

Ok, to Flint I apologize. I completely miss read your post and made an incorrect assumption. After re-reading it I completely misunderstood what was being said and should not have accused you of being a liar. I was wrong.

Spexxvet 02-19-2010 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 636104)
Ok, to Flint I apologize. I completely miss read your post and made an incorrect assumption. After re-reading it I completely misunderstood what was being said and should not have accused you of being a liar. I was wrong.

What an asshole! :stickpoke:hide::p::bolt:

Flint 02-19-2010 03:25 PM

TheMercenary... I accept your apology, and that is very awesome of you. I'm sorry I called you names and said bad things about you.

These things happen, no hard feelings on my side. Have a great weekend.

classicman 02-19-2010 03:31 PM

It wasn't my wife tommy-boy. You really should remember who you insult. It might make it easier for you to apologize if you ever become man enough to do so.

glatt 02-19-2010 03:34 PM

For a moment there, this thread was heart warming. Better not blink, or you'll miss it.

TheMercenary 02-19-2010 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint (Post 636108)
TheMercenary... I accept your apology, and that is very awesome of you. I'm sorry I called you names and said bad things about you.

These things happen, no hard feelings on my side. Have a great weekend.

I screwed up and admit it. Cheers.

tw 02-19-2010 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman (Post 636111)
It wasn't my wife tommy-boy. You really should remember who you insult. It might make it easier for you to apologize if you ever become man enough to do so.

I do not apologize to assholes who only post gonorrhea. When do you apologize for your constant sniping and personal attacks? You cannot. You cannot even admit you do it constantly.

So let;s discuss the gonorrhea you gave to your wife because of your politics. You so want to discuss your diseases. Please do so. Make the Cellar a nasty place because that is your political extremists agenda.

How long will it be before you burn down the Reichstag? Being nasty is how wacko extremists gain power.

classicman 02-19-2010 03:43 PM

Did you intentionally omit this part tommy?
Quote:

Originally Posted by Classicman
Yes I'm playing Devil's advocate here. Someone has to ask the questions.

tw selectively quotes a post just to make tw's invalid and incorrect point. Boy how much lower can tw go? Oh, thats right tw knows no boundaries. tw will even attack a posters wife if he disagrees with that poster.

Sheldonrs 02-19-2010 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt (Post 636114)
For a moment there, this thread was heart warming. Better not blink, or you'll miss it.

FUCK YOU!!!

*blink*

SORRY!!!

*blink*

FUCK YOU!!!


:D

Undertoad 02-19-2010 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman (Post 636123)
Tom White - If you ever say one word about my wife, I will personally come to Phoenixville, PA and beat the living shit out of you. That is a promise. Please, please try me.

That's threat of assault. You are now using the Cellar to break the law. That is against the first rule of the Cellar:

1. Do not try to break the law using the Cellar.
2. Do not try to break the Cellar.
3. Do not be "intolerably irritating".

classicman 02-19-2010 04:12 PM

I deleted it and apologize.

xoxoxoBruce 02-20-2010 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheldonrs (Post 636056)

Yes, but you see that actress with downs syndrome isn't a politician trying to hustle a buck, so she's allowed to have a sense of humor.

Sheldonrs 02-20-2010 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 636193)
Yes, but you see that actress with downs syndrome isn't a politician trying to hustle a buck, so she's allowed to have a sense of humor.

Ever been to a casting call? ALL actors are politicians trying to hustle a buck. lol!!!

Flint 02-20-2010 03:02 PM

Thanks for that link, Shel.

Here's the text, for those who didn't watch the video:

'Family Guy' Actress Responds To Sarah Palin's Criticism
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My name is Andrea Fay Friedman. I was born with Down syndrome. I played the role of Ellen on the "Extra Large Medium" episode of Family Guy that was broadcast on Valentine's day. Although they gave me red hair on the show, I am really a blonde. I also wore a red wig for my role in " Smudge" but I was a blonde in "Life Goes On". I guess former Governor Palin does not have a sense of humor. I thought the line "I am the daughter of the former governor of Alaska" was very funny. I think the word is "sarcasm".
In my family we think laughing is good. My parents raised me to have a sense of humor and to live a normal life. My mother did not carry me around under her arm like a loaf of French bread the way former Governor Palin carries her son Trig around looking for sympathy and votes.
And there's more...

‘Family Guy’ Voice Actor Says Palin ‘Does Not Have a Sense of Humor’
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Q.When you get asked to play characters who have Down syndrome, does that make you at all uncomfortable?

A.No, I’m proud of it. I’m not embarrassed. But mostly, it doesn’t matter if you have Down syndrome. Really, it just matters to have a different challenge.

Q.When did you find out about the reaction that the episode elicited from Sarah Palin and her family?

A.[laughs] That I did not even know about until my mom told me, “You’re on Channel 4!” And when I watched on Channel 4, on “Extra,” and I saw Sarah Palin with her son Trig. I’m like, “I’m not Trig. This is my life.” I was making fun of Sarah Palin, but not her son.

Q.Do you agree with what she and her daughter Bristol were saying, that the character and the jokes were insulting to people with Down syndrome?

A.It’s not really an insult. I was doing my role, I’m an actor. I’m entitled to say something. It was really funny. I was laughing at it. I had a nice time doing voiceover. It was my first time doing a voiceover, and I had fun.
I think this speaks to my point about whether the show was offensive or not. As for the S____ P____, the attention whore who is trying to ride the free publicity bandwagon, the reference to her carried neither positive nor negative connotations, as far as I can tell.
Another non-event.

ZenGum 02-20-2010 05:37 PM

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My mother did not carry me around under her arm like a loaf of French bread the way former Governor Palin carries her son Trig around looking for sympathy and votes.
:nadkick:

:lol:

SamIam 02-20-2010 05:46 PM

Interesting. Thanks for the info, Flint. I wonder if Palin knew that it was an actress with Down's doing the voice-over?

tw 02-20-2010 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint (Post 636276)
Family Guy’ Voice Actor Says Palin ‘Does Not Have a Sense of Humor’

Is this the same TV show that did this? He sniffs her perfume. Says it makes her smell like Elizabeth Taylor. Then says it smells like a combination of bourbon and vicodin. Why is that also not causing major turmoil? Apparently the public figure called Palin is more 'special' than Elizabeth Taylor.

SamIam 02-20-2010 08:13 PM

Is old Liz even still alive? Never mind. I soundly protest on behalf of druggies and alcoholics everywhere. We need more understanding and more access to our drugs of choice. We don't need these sly barbs equating us to Liz Taylor. I bet when I tell my AA group about this tonight, they'll all be joining me at the bar. Fttttttt!

tw 02-20-2010 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamIam (Post 636308)
Is old Liz even still alive?

She outlived her good friend Michael.

Who is your favorite vicodin addict? Taylor or House? (Palin is banned from this list due to threat of lawsuit or public outcry.)

Shawnee123 02-20-2010 08:22 PM

Definitely House. I'm watching House as I type.

Flint 02-20-2010 09:08 PM

What was it lumberjim said... "I love a funny tw"

SamIam 02-20-2010 10:15 PM

House for sure. ;)

Actually, my fav druggie was Bill the Cat from the old Bloom County comic strip. Steve Dallas of that strip was a pretty good drunk, too. They both were so totally not PC. Whatever happened to the Cellar's Steve Dallas, anyhow?

BobbyBoyNYC 02-21-2010 07:07 AM

Palin's a political whore!
 
Like her running partner McCain, she'll do anything and everything to get political power. She'd like nothing better than to attract tons of Jewish money (campaign contributions, a.k.a. bribes) to get into national office and then sell influence to all the special interests out there, including international corporations of course. These phony conservatives, the "neocons", make me sick. A true conservative follows the Constitution and tries to serve the American National People, while keeping cognizance of the Common Law and the Law of Nations. For a true conservative, Keynesian economics is anathema, as is "free trade", or any other kind of international meddling. True conservatives aren't afraid to explain their policies in detail to the public. They HAVE policies, real policies, not just following instructions like Obama. Kennedy's mistake was he thought he really was president, and he tried to actually stand up for his country. He listened to General MacArthur and Sen. McCarthy. He was also trying to bring the CIA and Federal Reserve Bank under control.
These were all FATAL mistakes!

xoxoxoBruce 02-21-2010 09:32 AM

Welcome to the Cellar, BobbyBoyNYC. :D

Redux 02-21-2010 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobbyBoyNYC (Post 636394)
....She'd like nothing better than to attract tons of Jewish money (campaign contributions, a.k.a. bribes) to get into national office...!

The secret Jewish/Zionist cabal....we are everywhere. :D


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