The Griff giveth and the Griff taketh away.

Heh! You think that by quoting Griff, you can get me to be polite to YOU, as well? Nice try, Sexter!

I haven't forgotten whatever it was cute little trick you played in that thread in some forum down near the bottom of the Cellar (which is pretty low) about something that everyone thought was EVER so important at some vague time in the past.

Although, including Griff's reason for editing (which I didn't notice when I first read his response) was clever enough.

However, since there's so many nuts around here, here's a few extra nuts to you, since you lack the balls to speak for yourself! :p:

Thanks, I knew I could count on you, the squirrely ones always have nuts to spare. :D

To settle this I go to the highest authority, RedState. ;)

Here's a decently written article that gives insight into the confusion: http://m.jacksonville.com/news/metro...g-wont-go-away

A) If assault weapons are for personal defense, then so are 155 mm howitzers. The obvious conclusion using your logic (rhetoric). What does one really need for defense? A 22 Derringer. Or a shotgun. Why does anyone need NATO gauge weapons? Many adults still think like fearful children. Why did my father so love advertising? (Will you again reply with an extremist cheapshot or this time reply to that actual fact?). Fun is to manipulate those who parrot propaganda. Who can not think for themselves. Propaganda inspires adults who are still children.

B) Why do cops routinely not carry assault rifles? Those most easily manipulated will avoid damning facts. Even cops only need such weapons when adults (who are still children) are hunting other humans. What is the best heavy weapon used by cops? Shotgun. A weapon that will always be legal because it is a weapon of choice among adults who are adults.

A shotgun is too little thrill. So NATO weapons, armor piecing rounds, bazookas, and big clips are needed. Shredding a paper target is a bigger hard-on than putting holes in it. NRA rhetoric targets adults who 'feel' they know.

C) Sexbon's reasoning proves Americans have a right to and need for 155 mm howitzers and grenades. Purpose of assault weapons is only to kill humans. Sexbon et al will recite myths, lies, rhetoric, or advertising to avoid that reality.

Wackos also said civilians need hollow point bullets. Because the NRA said so. No civilian needs hollow point bullets (also called cop killers). Cops are the enemy of extremists. The NRA knows who to brainwash to increase profits. People who know only using emtion.

Even ghettos are now safer because more people carry weapons: using NRA and Sexbon logic.

D) Why did the NRA push through laws that ban government from doing research? NRA must empower the dumbest among us. NRA's greatest fears were found in a CDC study that proved that a homeowner's gun is 43 times more likely to be used on a family member. Demonstrates why a gun is a poor defensive weapon. NRA must keep facts from adults who are adults. So that wackos can justify 3 to 13 bullets in the bodies of 1st graders.

BTW, research also says most human hunters are not mentally unstable. But are emotional; characteristic of an adult who is still a child. Profits are highest among the adults most easily manipulated by emotion and propaganda. NRA propaganda targets adults who 'know' using emotion rather then the prefrontal cortex.

Fun is brainwashing those who are so easily manipulated by emotion and spin.

E) What is the purpose of the NRA? Maximize profits. Nothing else. Also the purpose of the mafia. Maximize profits at expense of everything (everyone) else. NRA must even subvert informed discussion and research. So that lies will prove assault weapons are needed for personal safety.

Sexbon proves why all need hollow point bullets and 155 mm howitzers. Sexbon recited NRA rhetoric. Because that increases industry profits - the NRA's only purpose. NRA targets adults who are most easily brainwashed by rhetoric. Had Sexbon asked a damning question, then he would not be justifying 155 mm howitzers and anti-tank weapons.

F) 47 rounds every minute do not happen when the clip must be repeatedly replaced. Obvious if thinking for yourself - not reciting an NRA lie.

Informed moderates know why the LI Railroad shooter killed so few people. He had to reload. Therefore he was taken out by people using their weapons - hands and feet. The emotional (illogical) need big clips to hunt and kill more poeple. Big clips and assault weapons have no other purpose.

Because they prefer an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle.
From the Massachusetts Municipal Police Training Committee’s Basic Firearms Instructor Course.

Cops are not routinely patroling with AR-15s. Which cop has that weapon? Snipers and SWAP. Armed with assault weapons only when an excessively armed wacko is hunting humans.

Heavy weapon of choice in most situations: shotgun. AR-15 used when cops might go on offense (like a soldier) against a heavily armed and emotional adult. Even a stun gun is a more useful weapon.

All cops are trained in assault weapons. Assault rifle is an offensive weapon. And not used by cops for patrolling. We need all cops trained in AR-15 due to a violent world desired by the NRA - to increase industry profits.

You're out of touch, tw. Police departments all over the country are making up budget shortfalls by taking Homeland Security money to train in counter-terrorist tactics, and equipping cops with AR-15's and body armor. They're not swat teams, regular cops. They don't walk around with that gear but it's in the trunk of the cruiser.

Portland.,Washington, DC , San Diego, to name a few.

No cop patrols with AR-15s. He patrols with a 9 mm and stun gun.

If any department has not trained every officer with AR-15s, then we must fired his town council. Being trained in an AR-15 does not mean cops patrol with those weapons. Locked in the trunk means he is patroling with lesser weapons.

Why in the trunk? So that a cop can eventually convert from being a patrol officer to being a sniper or SWAP team member. Necessary when an extremist adult (who is still a child) is hunting humans.

BTW, only some patrol cars have AR-15s in the trunk. Many if not most do not.

What heavy weapon is locked on the dash or in the trunk of most every cop car? Shotgun. Because even a shotgun is not needed during most patrols.

All cops are trained in AR-15 because the NRA and too many extremists want assault weapons and armor piecing bullets. That does not mean cops routinely patrol with AR-15s on their holster as you would have us believe.

Just because every cop is trained in AR-15s does not mean all cops patrol the streets with AR-15s. How often do you see the beat cop patrolling with an AR-15 in his hands?

Fixed that for you.

(Sorry, couldn't resist. ;) )

Tw,

With all due respect due another dwellar,

Gibberish, all you've done is what you always do, you take what someone says and extrapolate it to ridiculous proportions which they never said, implied; or meant in a lame effort to discredit them. To hear you tell it, anyone who disagrees with you can't possibly be their own person with their own ideas and are nothing more than someone else's puppet or child. As the song goes:

"When I'm watchin' my TV
And a man comes on and tells me
How white my shirts can be
But he can't be a man 'cause he doesn't smoke
The same cigarettes as me"

This is how you relate to others. These are basic propagandist techniques, bad advertising methods passed down from father to son, which you have come to live by.

I'm experienced with firearms from .22 cal. revolvers to 50 cal. machine guns including M60s, M16s, AK47s, sniper systems, suppressed (a.k.a. silenced) 9mm submachine guns (e.g. HK MP5 SD3); also, pistols and revolvers with various actions in a wide range of calibers. It's been a part of my job as an American Special Forces soldier. I've fired more than 47 rpm from a single semiautomatic pistol with magazine changes. Yet you say " F) 47 rounds every minute do not happen when the clip must be repeatedly replaced." Speak for your unaccomplished self.

You are entitled to your own opinions; but, not to your own facts. Regarding hollow point [you say "(also called cop killers)"] bullets, even the police (local to federal) use them. They use them because they are believed to be more effective than other designs. Civilians use them for the same reason. Your application of the tern "cop killers" to hollow points is quintessential leftwing deceptive propaganda. Actual "cop killer bullets" are those coated with Teflon or nylon, hard core (not hollow point) so as to pierce bullet proof vests that police often wear. Only ignorant lay people with whacko extremist agendas equate the two.

Your obvious incompetence with even the simplest of premises in this discussion indicates a below average IQ and/or a paranoid delusional state of mind. All of your presented "facts" are likewise skewed and not worth addressing. You present as a subversive seeking to disarm Americans. Get your act together son.

Never, because beat cops went out with sword fighting and knickers. Catch up. :rolleyes:

I see why tonchi likes you. ;)

From your excellent link:

My hypothesis that if "Adak posts it, there's something wrong with it," continues to hold true.

Nice if you replied just once with facts. Your experience is both useless and irrelevant to this discussion. Somehow you are an expert because you fired some big guns? Somehow we should know an AR-15 Bushmaster was not used in Sandy Hook because you said so? You know because you fired big guns? Apparently the thrill of firing a big gun proves superior knowledge.

Then explain why assault weapons are necessary for personal defense. You made that claim without justification. And then posted nasty to avoid hard fact with numbers. An adult need not prove claims with disparaging replies. But you deflect reality by doing what Limbaugh, an extremist, or a child would do. Attack the messenger using accusations such as "gibberish".

Assault weapons are for personal defense when one is told so by propaganda. If an extremist, then reality must be 'gibberish'. It must be true. You said it.

Firing big guns proves assault weapons are necessary for personal defense? CDC research says otherwise: ie "43 times". Which is a fact and which is an emotion?

No civilian needs assault weapons for defense. Even beat cops (who drive squad cars, walk shopping malls, ride bicycles, etc) don't carry assault weapons for defense. But somehow, you know otherwise? Feeling it is true proves it must be true? Making denigrating accusation means reality can be ignored? I am so hurt to discover everyone in the Cellar hates me. More empty accusations invented to elude reality. And to deny facts.

A child will belittle rather than prove empty claims "Assault weapons are needed for personal defense?" You made the claim. Prove it as an adult would. As an adult, I am holding your feet to the fire. Prove you claims with facts - not personal attacks.

Adults who were still children also *knew* that smoking cigarettes increased health. Propaganda said so. So it must be true. When we discussed that reality, you directed cruel remarks at me. As if being nasty proved something other than how you think. Maybe this time you could address the topic? I doubt it. So prove me wrong.

Why does the NRA need 'gun violence' research banned? Why do you know a gun is not 43 times more likely to be used on a family member? If facts are posted multiple times, then will you address facts rather than post spiteful like a child? History says you will either post angry. Or run away. For one simple reason. It was always a myth. Assault rifles, big clips, and 155 mm howitzers are not for personal safety.

Hold on, big guy. Sexobon said no such thing. In fact, he provided a link stating the opposite:

*bows out of war between tw and the Sexter*

Fanatical gun owners on the right want to be able to defend themselves against the guberment as much as anything else. They forget that GW Bush already made the 2nd Amendment and most of our other rights under the Constitution null and void under the Patriot Act:

Homeland Security - Domestic terrorism - Your guns, please. :eyebrow:

Unfortunately, the NBC report was the one misinforming. :greenface

Thanks for clearing up the confusion, Sam.

Thanks Sam, for setting the record straight. Misinformation is a tw hallmark. I don't hold it against him; because, I know he's really more interested in argument just for the sake of argument than he is in debate. That's why tw does not fact check himself before engaging me and why few others care to engage him. He's not the only one here like that. I've made it no secret that I'm here for the entertainment and I get much entertainment from tw; but, he gets little argument from me ... just scrutinized. Being on the short end of the stick is his destiny.

:vader1: TW, YOU ARE YOUR FATHER! :vader1:

When caught and exposed lying, then an extremist does what Limbaugh teaches. Attack the messenger. Post more cheapshots and insults. Do so repeatedly.
If true, then demonstrate adult behavior by answering simple and relevant questions. I keep asking you to act like an adult. Do you know that adults who are still children post cheapshots?

An honest adult (a moderate) answers questions. Extremist ideology provided no answers. So you invent bogus accusations:
If true, then you have already answered those simple and damning questions. Posting cheapshots will not make those damning questions go away. Assault weapons for personal safety was obviously a lie. You proved that by repeatedly avoiding the question. And by posting cheapshots.
He refuses to answer even one question. Because an answer requires logic. The ability to reason rather than parrot a reply. Answers are not found in extremist propaganda. A child caught lying will belittle with insults. It does not change those damning and relevant questions.

Why does the NRA need 'gun violence' research banned? Why do you know a gun is not 43 times more likely to be used on a family member? Why do cops not even use assault weapons for personal defense? Not that I expect an answer. Those educated by propaganda cannot answer questions that the propaganda machine must avoid. And so Sexobon will reply with more denigrating replies.

His unsupported claim was, "Assault weapons are needed for personal defense." It was an obvious lie. As proven by cheapshots posted to avoid answering damning questions.

Your second world ethics simply limit your value to me as being for entertainment use only.

Again, bandwidth wasted on silly emotions. Silly because it protects wacko extremist rhetoric parroted by Tea Party and Rush Limbaugh beliefs. A moderate (a patriot) would have no problem answering these simple questions.

Why does the NRA need 'gun violence' research banned? Why do you know a gun is not 43 times more likely to be used on a family member? Why do cops not even use assault weapons for personal defense?

Sexobon has two choices. Twist and spin to avoid questions that expose extremist rhetoric. Or answer questions as an honest moderate. Assault weapons are for hunting humans. Extremist rhetoric advocates more Sandy Hooks.

Assault weapons have one purpose. To hunt humans.

I heard a mouse squeak.

Mice and assault weapons aside, I'd like to know if members of Congress will still get their pay, along with their other perks like great health care, etc. if the sequester does go through on March first. Does anyone know? :eyebrow:

I recently read that the average net worth of congresspeeps is over ten million. They'll scrape by on second rate caviar, I guess.

It's actually unconstitutional to change the pay of Congress during a term.

Under the heading meet the new boss, evidence that Dem Presidents are just as stupid as Rep Presidents.

The Hubris of the Drones by Bill Moyers

The Times told of a Muslim cleric in Yemen named Salem Ahmed bin Ali Jaber, standing in a village mosque denouncing al Qaeda. It was a brave thing to do -- a respected tribal figure, arguing against terrorism. But two days later, when he and a police officer cousin agreed to meet with three al Qaeda members to continue the argument, all five men -- friend and foe -- were incinerated by an American drone attack. The killings infuriated the village and prompted rumors of an upwelling of support in the town for al Qaeda, because, the Times reported, "such a move is seen as the only way to retaliate against the United States."

Contrast Benghazi.

No bombardment, within days the town citizens had turned on the extremists and run them out of town.

Grab 'em by the malls, their hearts and minds will follow ... until the second you have to let go of their balls to grab someone else's, then their true feelings resurface, and they stab you in the throat.

Not so fast on Benghazi

http://news.yahoo.com/two-years-beng...010526963.html

Civil violence like this is normal in some parts of the world. Some parts of Mexico are just as dangerous. Few realize since virtually no press reports from those other regions.

A problem in Benghazi is true everywhere. More guns mean increased violence. Benghazi is still full of guns held by people driven by emotion. Who earn money by touting bigger guns. Benghazi demonstrates what happens when civil rule is replaced by the gunslinger attitude. Similar problems exist in other places. It will take time to disarm a problem - too many with too many guns.

I don't know what those clowns in Congress are playing at, but I wouldn't consider it a "term." They have no interest what-so-ever in the good of the nation and its citizens. They are pretty excited about not being "primaried," so they're working hard to out lunatic the tea party - a difficult job, but they are managing it.

Most of the time they are not in session, anyway. At the moment they have taken off for 10 days for some reason or another - maybe they need to take the loot they get from their Wall Street masters and personally deposit it into those off shore bank accounts.

They don't have the guts to put a single corrupt CEO who helped plunge this country into depression on trial for their crimes against the American people. They are pretty good at filibustering anything that moves - just one more way to avoid actually being in session and having the guts to get together, compromise on the issues and actually govern the nation.

I realize their official Congressional pay is a drop in the bucket, but it would at least be a start to let them know how disgusted the American people are with them.

Now we have the sequester coming up. Oh, boy! The US looks more like a comedy of the 200 however many stooges in Congress than it does a respectable, sovereign nation. :eyebrow:

From the Washington Post of 15 Feb 2013:

I had several friends who work in the government, and it's not a yawn for them. They are concerned about their own personal finances and also about how to do their jobs. They can't plan because of the uncertainty. Do you prepare for the annual presentation you do at the national convention in your field, or do you blow it off because you might not attend?

Vatican emails hacked... VP Biden to become Ambassador to Vatican
 

An unidentified group has released several hundred emails hacked
between the Vatican Council and Archbishop Dolan of NY.

Secret negotiations have reached agreement that Vice President Biden will resign at the beginning
of April, and Obama will immediately appoint him as the US Ambassador to the Vatican.

Obama will then appoint Hillary Clinton to replace Biden as Vice President,
laying to rest the 3-month speculation about Clinton's plans to run for the Presidency in2016.

Leading Democrats are divided in response. Republicans are in turmoil.
Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) has already announced he will filibuster both appointments.
Senator McCain was privy to the negotiations, and so refused to comment.

More here

Nice try. I didn't click the link but I'm guessing RickRoll...

Just noticed this, Lamp. Nice! :)

And not a rich roll, rick.

What the Democrats refuse to believe, and everyone with common sense does?

You protect the things that are valuable to you, your community, and your country, with firearms.

Not with "Gun Free Zone" decals stuck on windows and signs.

In an interesting experiment in Texas, a man tested whether his shotgun or "military assualt" rifle, were in fact deadly.

He placed both guns on a chair, near the front door, right next to the ammunition they fired.

During the day, several family members went in and out of the front door, undisturbed.

At bedtime, he checked the guns, and ammo -- Surprise! - neither gun had loaded itself, shot at anyone or anything, or even pointed itself, at anyone!

Neither gun was "dangerous" or needed "controlling" by any government official, in order to be made safe.

It's a shame that common sense runs away from our politicians in Washington, faster than shit runs out of a goose, isn't it? :greenface

Unfortunately, you are 3 days late with this post.

Actually, me and my country seem to mostly disagree about what's important. I maintain a low profile and hit the deck when a drone flies over.

I have lots of disagreements with my community, as well. We've made a truce though. They leave me alone, and I won't show up at city counsel meetings.

For personal protection, I recommend a set of Boyce knitting needles. Works like a charm.

Three Stoogers did the same experiment. All ended up in heaven ... without virgins.

ha!

He got the handgun waiting period and the posting waiting period mixed up.:rolleyes:

Sad legacy of bad fiscal policies, by Bush and Obama:

Attachment 43570

From the BBC, Week in Pictures.

Looks like they're having fun! :jig:

When America worked, those low income kids would also become millionaires who innovated - who invented America's world class products. Or who became world class champions. Today, the party of hate says one must be born with a silver spoon in the mouth and an extremist politician, bought and paid for, in the pocket.

Wacko extremists routinely disparage what has always been the source of American wealth and innovation. Immigrants, Irish, gays, Italians, lesbians, Jews, atheists, blacks, Hispanics, women who practice family planning, and veterans. Hate them all. Which party left Iraqi veterans lying in a bed of their own urine in Walter Reed? Power comes from inventing bogeymen to hate.

A Republican party autopsy said: That report comes from Republican Party chairman Reince Priebus.

Instead, the report inspired internal feuding. The report's recommendations even describes reasons for their problems - ie Tea party rhetoric. The report cites what is found in Adak's attitudes and posts.

The Economist said on 23 March 2013, Go back to hate even of the French because French accurately described Mission Accomplished before that unilateral attack. And so Adak is again posting hate rhetoric. As party extremists encourage him to do.

This time hate of basketball players. He forgets that plywood exists due to George Jr's intelligence and extremist lies generated by his administration and Project for a New American Century.

Extremists also said we want America to fail. Extremists will not even apologize for that.

Let's stick to the facts, instead of your fantasy. There is no "party of hate", except the one in your dreams.

Neither one. Walter Reed Hospital was administered by the military, not by either political party. It's a military hospital, not a political party hospital.

Both political parties have misguided members, with the wrong idea on some topic or other.

We don't hate the French. They are our allies in NATO, and fought with us in the campaign against Ghaddafi, in both WWI and WWII, and the Revolutionary war. Perhaps you remember Lafeyette, who helped train our militia into becoming soldiers, or the French Navy, who bottled up Cornwallis so he couldn't escape by sea via the British Navy?

Did you not read the caption to the photo? Level of Poverty in the US is at it's highest since the 1960's. I'll risk the wild idea here, that very few poor kids, growing up in a near-ghetto environment, will become millionaire inventors.

Obama's policies are the most extreme policies in any American presidency, since Roosevelt (Franklin). Bush's policies also lead us in the wrong direction. We know they will lead to a monetary crisis, if it continues like this.

You don't know what a failure is until you've seen a real monetary crisis.

We shouldn't be helping the poor with hand outs. We need to help the poor with better opportunities and a hand UP. Hand outs without jobs, leads to more poor people, relying on the gov't for the necessities of life. More jobs and a more limited federal gov't that isn't saddling our kids with an ever increasing debt, is what we need.

It isn't a battle between political parties, as much as it is a battle between liberal hands on your throat, or conservative hands from the gov't. The liberals want to control every aspect of your life. The conservatives want YOU to control more aspects of your life.

That's called freedom, and we could certainly use a bit more of it.

So Adak denies that hate. Who invented the term 'Freedom Fries'? Same people who even hated the French. To even massacre 5000 American servicemen for no useful purpose. Another legacy from those who advocate hate.

Senator Joseph McCarthy advocated hate for more power. Famous racists (ie Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms) changed parties to where hate was more acceptable. Why do you forget history? Many will conveniently ignore reality to entertain there deceptions and the resulting hate.

The report says But actions demonstrated by Adak and that party say Even major Republicans (ie Olympia Snowe) quit stating that hate and hyper-partisanship have created a dysfunctional Congress.

Which party said they wanted America to fail? The party of hate. Same technique was used by the Nazi party to achieve power.

Those 'evil Muslims' will open a mosque in lower Manhattan. The party of hate had plenty to say about that.

You've got a few great posts here recently. It's great to see those posts in here, the cellar.

We have very similar views on several hot issues.

BUT

The vast majority of American people DO NOT want freedom. They DO NOT want independence. They DO NOT want control over their own lives. They DO NOT want to make meaningful choices for their lives. They DO NOT want to take any risk.

They want to be taken care of. Until the day they die. And then they want that care to watch over their survivors until the day THEY die. They want BIG GOVERNMENT to restrain YOU all the while it's caring for them.

They want MORE government, not less. Government is the answer to all problems in a little person's life. MORE-MORE-MORE. Can't get enough of it. Doesn't matter if they are Rs or Ds, it's the same. MORE BIGGER government.

It's always the answer regardless as to who is in the White House or Congress.

One group may cut gov't here and then add 10x as much over there. The net effect is the same. MORE GOVERNMENT. MORE CONTROL.

And the vast majority American people want it that way, Rs or Ds or Is. BIG NANNY STATE GOVERNMENT is the ONLY answer, always.

And that's why I've moved away, though I'm guessing not forever AND it's why I'm seeing younger and younger westerners here in larger numbers on the islands.

I and they want to be free of HUGE intrusive government and be left to enjoy a quite life. Free from gov't AND cold winters and expensive beer. :)

So, yes...we, you and I could use a bit more freedom. But for the vast majority of Americans....it's LONG dead. HUGE INTRUSIVE GOVERNMENT is the only answer. Cradle to grave, baby. All the way.

That's a deep disappointment to me personally but it's reality.

It can and will change though. I remember - thinking about Margaret Thatcher in the UK - that the UK was then known as "the sick man of Europe", because they had killed their private sector with decades of socialist nonsense.

Taxes on some parts of their society got up to as high as 94% - can you IMAGINE.

When MT was done, taxes had been lowered to less than 45%, despite fighting the war with the IRA (which nearly killed her), and the war with Argentina over the Falklands Is.

So it CAN be done, and when the US finds itself, like all the socialist countries, becoming poorer and poorer, as a whole - then things will start changing.

It's so hard though, when problems like health care are present - because every single aspect of health care is a rampant rip off - from malpractice suits with stupid juries that award millions of dollars to patients, not because there's been malpractice - but because they let their sympathy get in the place of common sense.

When a patient is warned to do something IN WRITING, TWICE, by two different doctors, and refuses - and then suffers the consequence - it's insane to have a jury force the doctors to pay millions of dollars.

But that's commonly seen. The trial lawyers love it, of course!

Philippines are the new digs? Not the Southern Islands, I hope?

Where's Adak when you expect him...

Democratic Mayor of San Diego wants women to stop wearing underwear to work....

Democratic (former NY) Representative Anthony Weiner is out sexting to women again... He believes it was only 3

This is proof that Chicago is corrupt, and it's all an example of the Saul Alensky's Community Organizing.

Weiner is amazing isn't he?

He's fun.

I'm glad he's not running for a federal office though, and I hope the voters of NYC choose wisely.

This will dog his career for ever.


You weren't expecting me to go there, were you? ;)

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...hangegov.shtml

To be fair, it was an old site from 2008, but the irony is pretty rich.

Ouch ! That's embarrassing, and will surely draw the attention of the media.

He *should be* embarrassed!

But if you do chase down the links, this section of "Protecting Whisleblowers"
is only 1 among literally hundreds of bullet-point campaign issues
that were also deleted from the 2007 web site.

Yes, it's embarrassing and quite believable, as presented in the link,
but still could be just an gigantic leap of paranoia and/or political spin.

As I followed things back through link after link, my thoughts went in the direction
that it seems more like just a routine update of a (2007) pre-election web site.

Or... it would be a pretty drastic step just to delete one,
albeit very important, "political promise" from public view.

I have not (yet) found any indication elsewhere in the current White House web site
website that even hints that Obama's "Whistleblower Protection" policy is being modified or replaced.

But... if Obama has, in fact, changed his policy it would be very sad,
and I would be inclined to attribute it to a pervasive
"NOT ON MY WATCH" flaw in the rationale of many people in leadership positions.

And it continues:

FY 2013#: $680 billion
FY 2014*: $492 billion

*Projected
#Revised from projected

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...wpisrc=nl_wonk

I suppose it's a pretty good indication of the situation in Washington when one side is talking apples and the other oranges. That way they both can make a lot of noise while not accidently debating something. :rolleyes: