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Urbane Guerrilla 07-17-2007 02:21 AM

Now you already know I can't believe that one. I want a good world, and that means a world full of democracies. Nothing else need apply, for nothing else is so legitimate.

That calls for shooting the highly motivated sociopaths who would set up sociopathic states.

piercehawkeye45 07-17-2007 05:37 AM

How is Iran not like a democracy UG?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Iran

It isn't like any of the western democracies but it is still a republic with heavy Islamic influences.

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Now you already know I can't believe that one. I want a good world, and that means a world full of democracies. Nothing else need apply, for nothing else is so legitimate.
The communists said the same thing, same concept of intolerance, different perspective.

Too bad the problem is that some non-western cultures do not accept western styles democracies like the west does. Why? Different cultures with different priorities. Bush learned this the hard way and you still have not learned.

xoxoxoBruce 07-17-2007 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 364782)
Now you already know I can't believe that one. I want a good world, and that means a world full of democracies. Nothing else need apply, for nothing else is so legitimate.

That calls for shooting the highly motivated sociopaths who would set up sociopathic states.

Quack.

TheMercenary 07-17-2007 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 364762)
First, this is the propaganda I was talking about. The facts are not what I disagree with, I bet everything this guy says is true, it is just he makes it off like Iran is the only one doing it so it is somehow bad.

I believe you have read to much into it. His article makes some assumptions which I believe are generally correct. He kept his focus on Iran, not because there are not other issues to be considered, but because that was the focus of his article.

yesman065 07-17-2007 10:38 AM

Or thats what he wants us to focus on. I think pierce has some very valid points, ane perhaps we are looking too much at Iran and not hard enough at our "allies." Why concentrate our focus on Iran when the Saudis are supplying/killing - whatever - more Americans than Iranians. Maybe they WANT us to look at Iran because of the nuke issue - I dunno. Just throwin it out there.

xoxoxoBruce 07-17-2007 10:46 AM

Saudis much good... give heap big oil to infidels.

yesman065 07-17-2007 02:25 PM

Getting back to the beginning of this thread - maybe this is why they bake children and/or do whatever else they want - to control!!

"Once the terrorists stitch up highways and innumerable roads and entire cities with bombs, they have tremendous clout with the locals, because only the bad guys know where all the bombs are, and they can kill at will those who resist, including, if needed, busfuls of people."

Undertoad 07-17-2007 03:40 PM

Individual Saudi morons will always stream across the border to blow up the infidels, but on the Iranian border it's the official government doing the streaming, and they won't stop when the infidels leave.

xoxoxoBruce 07-17-2007 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by yesman065 (Post 365005)
Getting back to the beginning of this thread - maybe this is why they bake children and/or do whatever else they want - to control!!

"Once the terrorists stitch up highways and innumerable roads and entire cities with bombs, they have tremendous clout with the locals, because only the bad guys know where all the bombs are, and they can kill at will those who resist, including, if needed, busfuls of people."

I know where you got that quote.

yesman065 07-17-2007 10:28 PM

Thanks xoB - I copied it to include in something else, was rushed and closed the window. Oh well it was another VERY GOOD article - IMO.

Urbane Guerrilla 07-18-2007 12:14 AM

There never was a fascist duck, Bruce dear. I told you that already.

I like eggs. Even duck eggs.

Urbane Guerrilla 07-18-2007 12:15 AM

Pierce, find out how Iran is like an oligarchy, and get back to me.

If you're going to try beating me on political science, you'll need to be better at it than I am.

DanaC 07-18-2007 05:31 AM

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If you're going to try beating me on political science, you'll need to be better at it than I am.
That made me laugh out loud.

piercehawkeye45 07-18-2007 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 365209)
Pierce, find out how Iran is like an oligarchy, and get back to me.

UG, find me a democracy or republic that is not like an oligarchy, and get back to me.

TheMercenary 07-18-2007 08:53 AM

Iran is far from democratic. They have elements which appear democratic, that does not make the Iranian government democratic.


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