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Big Sarge 12-07-2009 06:36 AM

To be a man is to live your life by the army values. I taught this to my son & even my two older daughters. They can all recite them. I make my troops adhere to this standard and I think it is a good guide for all. That being said, I have found my life to be more aligned with the Man from LaMancha - To dream the impossible dream..........

I know this all sounds cliche, but if you live those 7 values you'll be a responsible adult

glatt 12-07-2009 07:36 AM

Most of us haven't been in the army. What are those 7 values?

TheMercenary 12-07-2009 07:44 AM

Everybody learns them as they enter service from day one. They do change about every 5 years and people try to redefine them. They are much different from the ones I learned back in the late 70's but they remain pretty close in intent.

These are the current ones:

Loyalty
Bear true faith and allegiance to the U.S. Constitution, the Army, your unit, and other soldier.

Duty
Fulfill your obligations.

Respect
Treat people as they should be treated.

Selfless Service
Put the welfare of the Nation, the Army, and your subordinates before your own.

Honor
Live up to all the Army Values.

Integrity
Do what’s right, legally and morally.

Personal Courage
Face fear, danger, or adversity both physical or moral.

Pico and ME 12-07-2009 08:09 AM

My Mom taught me all those values.

TheMercenary 12-07-2009 08:10 AM

The Army becomes the mother to many.

glatt 12-07-2009 08:43 AM

Wait a second, one of the 7 values that you are supposed to follow in the Army is to follow the 7 Values? Seems like there are only 6 values then, because it's sort of understood that the values are already there to be followed.

Overall, I like them. They are good values.

xoxoxoBruce 12-07-2009 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 615560)
K that turned out way more rambling than I'd intended...but in a nutshell, economic and technological changes of magnitude tend to enforce a redefinition, or reinforcement of gender identities, which is played out through workplaces and popular discourse.

My Doctor, Dentist, and Boss, are female. They all probably think I'm difficult. :lol:

SteveDallas 12-07-2009 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Cloud (Post 610655)
You can't tell me that men don't think about "manly" stuff, regardless of whether it's pc to say males and females should have the same virtues. (And by stuff, I do not mean pron!) Expected male behavior has changed so much in the last 50 years, thanks in part to a great deal of hard work by women, that I'm thinking it must be a very hard idea to pin down.

What do modern men think is proper male behavior?

I think nothing about it. I behave the way it seems ... good, proper, appropriate... whatever word you might attach to behave. I go to work. I warn my boss that something's coming down the pike we need to deal with. I make a cup of coffee. I stop to buy gas. I cook dinner. I install molding. I watch House. I drink Cheerwine. I eat pizza. I read a book. etc. etc. etc.

I do all these things and others because I want to, or because I feel they're necessary for me for some reason--whether for my own well-being or due to some obligation I have to other people. I don't do any of them because "I'm a man" or "Men are supposed to do X."

Clodfobble 12-07-2009 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC
Currently a very interesting trend is happening within computing. The more highly technological the field, the more likely it will be coded male, at least at the higher levels. We are over a quarter of a century in to the true 'computer age' and our cultural markers for people who work within the computer industries, both hardware and software are overwhelmingly male. There have always been women working in the field, but it's only relatively recently that women have started to go into it in numbers that could change the landscape. It's quite interesting to watch that change.

There is a micro trend within that which is fascinating to me, here in the southern US. Among lower-economic Hispanics, computers are very much not masculine, they are feminine. This is because they have no exposure to the geeky male model, the only place computers exist for them is in their mothers' administrative jobs--i.e., bookkeeping, human resources, secretaries. Ask a group of Hispanic boys if they want to learn about computers, and they will laugh it off as equivalent to playing with Barbie dolls.

DanaC 12-07-2009 01:16 PM

Now that really is fascinating. I love gender questions. They're so fundamental to how we see ourselves and yet so knotty as to be almost unfathomable.

ZenGum 12-07-2009 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 615602)
Wait a second, one of the 7 values that you are supposed to follow in the Army is to follow the 7 Values? Seems like there are only 6 values then, because it's sort of understood that the values are already there to be followed.

Overall, I like them. They are good values.

I noticed that too, but I also agree, nevermind. Pretty good ethos for anyone, and especially for an army.

Cicero 12-07-2009 10:08 PM

I better ask the Magic Eight Ball. More definitive responses...;)

ZenGum 12-08-2009 03:32 AM

Hey I am still composing my answer.

monster 12-08-2009 07:26 AM

Apparently being a man means taking a damn long time to answer a bloomin' question, and even then effectively saying "it's none of your damn business" :p

dar512 12-08-2009 09:00 AM

Mostly it means being able to pee standing up. I am more defined by the fact that I am a computer geek, a musician, and a Christian, than by my gender.


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