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classicman

11-22-2010 01:06 PM

FWIW - I thought this was a well written article about the subject.

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The feds are losing control of the debate over the Transportation Security Administration's (TSA) new full-body scanners and enhanced pat-down techniques. A combination of well-intentioned privacy concerns and Internet lore could spell doom for the public acceptance of the new measures.

It's not so complicated. Upon reaching an airport's security area, travelers are asked to undergo a full-body scan by an Advanced Imaging Technology scanner. If they don't want the scan, they can opt for a pat-down by a TSA official. Simple, and yet there are so many rumors about this procedure that there's a need to separate fact from fiction.

Spexxvet

11-22-2010 01:48 PM

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It's not so complicated. Upon reaching an airport's security area, travelers are asked to undergo a full-body scan by an Advanced Imaging Technology scanner. If they don't want the scan, they can opt for a pat-down by a TSA official.

And if you don't want either, DON'T FLY! Take a bus, FFS.

Bullitt

11-22-2010 05:19 PM

Or protest to your Congressman about these overly invasive searches that trample civil liberties. Stand up for yourself or be cattle. Yesm Mr. Pretend Cop you sures knows what is best for me. I do whatever you wants me to mistah.

In other news, TSA screeners are just as poorly and inconsistently trained as you think:
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/11/tsa-training/

Clodfobble

11-22-2010 09:17 PM

In my experience, the smaller the airport, the pettier the TSA guys. Just like the rent-a-cop at the apartment complex.

When traveling with a baby and 2 kids, I went through three major airports carrying multiple large containers of liquids, and an epi-pen with a needle in it. No one cared. It was only at the rinky-dink airport in Peoria-fuckin-Illinois, the one that gets a total of three flights in per day, that they harassed me about every baby bottle, every eczema skin cream, the epi-pen, and even made me pull the sleeping baby out of his sling in order to prove I wasn't hiding explosives underneath him.

Spexxvet

11-23-2010 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bullitt (Post 695655)

If you give up, the terrorists win. Think of the children!

Bullitt

11-24-2010 01:47 AM

No the terrorists are winning now. We are flushing down the toilet foundational pieces of our society in the name of pseudo-safety for an industry that is already among the safest ways to travel. Never mind that the infamous "underwear bomber" boarded the plane outside the US. Never mind that neither the scanners nor the pat downs can detect items hidden inside body cavities.

A good read: http://noblasters.com/post/1650102322/my-tsa-encounter

A good video starring Adam Savage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3yaqq9Jjb4

Lamplighter

11-24-2010 08:15 AM

LOL on Adam Savage.

He could do a movie... The TSA at the end of the yellow brick road

Perry Winkle

11-24-2010 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 694333)

FWIW - Anyone think terrorists wouldn't use a kid?

Toddlers are about the size of a suitcase nuke.

xoxoxoBruce

11-25-2010 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 695730)

If you give up, the terrorists win. Think of the children!

Like the one strip searched for no reason, here.:eyebrow:

Lamplighter

11-25-2010 10:00 AM

Yahoo News

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* You may opt out of the AIT screening,
but you will be given the new standard pat-down, described above, instead.

You have the right to request that the standard pat-down be conducted in private
and you may have someone accompany you.
It is your right to be screened by an officer of the same gender.

* If you are selected for secondary screening because of an alarm or an anomaly in an AIT,
you may receive an even more thorough resolution pat-down than the new standard pat-down.
This resolution pat-down should only be done by a trained supervisor or lead officer
of the same gender in a private screening area.

* If you are selected for secondary screening because of a bulky clothing item,
you will receive the new standard pat-down by an officer of the same gender.
You may remind the officer to only pat-down the area in question.

Cloud

11-25-2010 11:23 AM

I'll be searched no matter what, so no use in getting all twisted around about it.

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Hidden items such as body piercings may result in your being directed to additional screening for a pat-down inspection. If selected for additional screening, you may ask to remove your body piercing in private as an alternative to the pat-down search.

Undertoad

11-25-2010 01:02 PM

From where I sit you keep on making this minor mistake, C.

The issue is not whether YOU, Cloud, PERSONALLY are fine with being seen naked or groped.

Also, the issue is not whether you think EVERYBODY should be fine with being seen naked or groped.

The issue is whether it is a violation of the rights of the people, and which rights the people are prepared to give up in order to travel, when private airport security is replaced by ~~jackbooted government thugs~~ agents of the Federal government.

Put on your law hat:

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Originally Posted by 4th Amendment

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

It doesn't say "...unless you enter the airport."

Lamplighter

11-25-2010 01:12 PM

Excellent post, UT... succinct and on point !

Cloud

11-25-2010 01:21 PM

well, it's not a mistake to me--it's a personal issue. I get what you're saying, but am still not bothered by any supposed "violation of rights." I'd rather exercise my right to take reasonable safety precautions against being blown up. If they tried to make me remove jewelry then yes, I'd be upset--personally. Otherwise--not really.

Undertoad

11-25-2010 01:34 PM

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I'd rather exercise my right to take reasonable safety precautions against being blown up.

That is not a "right".

What you are demanding is to force others to give up their rights through these screenings.

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