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Ibby 11-30-2012 06:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhianne (Post 841125)
I believe Palestine should totally assimilate Israel. Make them all Palestinians and give them a vote. If they don't like it, they can get the hell out of Dodge. Of course, this is my biasis based upon religion and upbringing.
:thumb:

Lamplighter 11-30-2012 08:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Sarge (Post 841122)
I believe Israel should totally assimilate Palestine.
Make them all Israelis and give them a vote.
If they don't like it, they can get the hell out of Dodge.
Of course, this is my biasis based upon religion and upbringing.
I think... but might be mistaken...

That is the case, now. Palestinians in Israel can/do vote.
Israel is turning away from bringing all of the Palestinians
(right to return) into the tent because they would be out-voted.

That may happen anyhow, as the Palestinians population is growing
relative to the Jewish population.

Big Sarge 12-01-2012 12:04 AM
similar to the decline of the wasp voice in the us and the likelihood we will Hispanics will become the majority?

As afar as Palestine goes, It is my understanding the Gaza Strip doesn't have a vote while Palestinians in Jerusalem do.

Lamplighter 12-01-2012 06:02 AM
Quote:
As afar as Palestine goes, It is my understanding the Gaza Strip doesn't have a vote while Palestinians in Jerusalem do.
Right, that's what I was trying to say...

DanaC 12-04-2012 06:23 AM
Apparently, J & J might be going to Gaza in March!

Part of some academic delegation or something. All a bit exciting. It'll be interesting to hear their experiences of the area and the people.

Lamplighter 12-04-2012 07:58 AM
This diplomatic move shows there is a change in world-view developing towards Israel.
Most support Israel's right to self-defense, but Israel's extreme politics in recent years is back-firing...

NY Times
ISABEL KERSHNEr
12/4/12

5 European Nations Summon Envoys of Israel
Quote:
JERUSALEM — Britain, France, Spain, Sweden and Denmark summoned
the Israeli ambassadors to their countries on Monday to protest Israel’s plans
for increased settlement construction, an unusually sharp diplomatic step
that reflected the growing frustration abroad with Israel’s policies on the Palestinian issue.

After the General Assembly voted overwhelmingly last week to upgrade
the status of the Palestinians at the United Nations, Israel announced plans
for 3,000 more housing units in contested areas of East Jerusalem and around the West Bank.

Israel raised particular alarms with its decision to continue planning and zoning work
for the development of a contentious area known as E1,
a project vehemently opposed internationally because it would partially
separate the northern and southern West Bank, harming the prospects
of a contiguous Palestinian state in that territory.<snip>

Philippe Lalliot, a spokesman for the French Foreign Ministry, said in a statement on Monday,
“Settlement activity is illegal under international law,
hurts the confidence necessary for a return to dialogue and constitutes
an obstacle to a just peace founded on the two-state solution.
Does anyone remember the events following the "partition of India" ?

DanaC 12-04-2012 08:53 AM
My Dad saw some pretty shitty stuff in the run up to partition.

Lamplighter 12-05-2012 01:02 PM
NY Times
By SHARON OTTERMAN and JOSEPH BERGER
12/4/12

Cheering U.N. Palestine Vote, Synagogue Tests Its Members
Quote:
Congregation B’nai Jeshurun, a large synagogue on the Upper West Side of Manhattan,
is known for its charismatic rabbis, its energetic and highly musical worship,
and its liberal stances on social causes.

But on Friday, when its rabbis and lay leaders sent out an e-mail enthusiastically supporting
the vote by the United Nations to upgrade Palestine to a nonmember observer state,
the statement was more than even some of its famously liberal congregants could stomach.

Quote:
“The vote at the U.N. yesterday is a great moment for us as citizens of the world,”
said the e-mail, which was sent to all congregants.
“This is an opportunity to celebrate the process that allows a nation to come forward and ask for recognition.”
The statement, at a time when the United Nations’ vote was opposed by the governments
of the United States and Israel, as well as by the leadership of many American Jewish organizations,
reflected a divide among American Jews and a willingness to publicly disagree with Israel.

DanaC 12-05-2012 01:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 841793)
Apparently, J & J might be going to Gaza in March!

Part of some academic delegation or something. All a bit exciting. It'll be interesting to hear their experiences of the area and the people.
J just confirmed. They'll be going in March. They'll both be lecturing during their stay. Exciting but I am a touch nervous for them :p

Lamplighter 03-03-2013 07:47 PM
Israeli government tactics are looking more and more like a hand-me-downs from WWII

The Guardian

3/3/13

Israel to launch 'Palestinians-only' bus service
across the border of the West Bank towards Tel Aviv
Quote:
The Israeli government will on Monday begin operating a "Palestinians-only" bus service
to ferry Palestinian workers from the West Bank to Israel, encouraging them to use it
instead of travelling with Israeli settlers on a similar route.
<snip>
The Israeli civil rights group, Checkpoint Watch, which monitors the army's treatment
of Palestinians at West Bank checkpoints has reported recent incidents of Palestinians
being ejected from buses and told they were not allowed to board them.

In 2011 Palestinian activists were arrested after they boarded Israeli buses
in the West Bank to protest against segregation.
Will the next step be to require these passengers to wear a :f147: arm-band ?

DanaC 03-04-2013 03:08 AM
Well, they already stamped prison numbers onto Palestinian prisoners' forearms.

Sundae 03-04-2013 04:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 841797)
Does anyone remember the events following the "partition of India" ?
Before my time. But I certainly learned about it.
There's a lot not to be proud of in English history - I specify English because despite The Union, we were the driving force.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 842012)
J just confirmed. They'll be going in March. They'll both be lecturing during their stay. Exciting but I am a touch nervous for them :p
I'd be nervous too. I think Israel needs to take a long, hard look at itself. But in the meantime innocent people will be exploded. Sorry. Not what you want to hear. But I worried every time we went on the Tube when I was a girl. My prayer to my Guardian Angel every night I was in London was not to be blown up.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 855515)
Israeli government tactics are looking more and more like a hand-me-downs from WWII
And some of their clerics could teach the Taliban a thing or two about oppressing women.
I am definitely not an anti-Semite. But all the children of Abraham have questions to answer if their God is truly righteous, and created women as well as men. Animals need to be killed in a special way, you need to eat certain things on certain days, but it's okay to belittle and control and damage the mother of your sons? If they come from such a dirty place, how can they be holy too?

Rant over.
A bit sick of hypocrisy today. Thanks Cardinal O'Brien.

Happy Monkey 06-20-2013 08:13 AM
Anti-Israel terrorists may be numerous, but pro-Israel terrorists are imaginative.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MICHAEL VIRTANEN Associated Press
ALBANY, N.Y.—Federal authorities accused two upstate New York men Wednesday of assembling a portable X-ray weapon that they intended to use to secretly sicken opponents of Israel.

Lamplighter 06-20-2013 08:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 868396)
Anti-Israel terrorists may be numerous, but pro-Israel terrorists are imaginative.
That supports my point above as a hand-me-down from WWII when
the SS was looking for a way to sterilize Jewish men and women.


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