You who, white boy? Chinga tu madre as we say here in the great US city of Espanola. :eyebrow:

My suggestion is that Trump bring back the Children's Crusade. All little ones five and under whom Spanky McDogShit ripped from their parent's arms should be sent to liberate Venezuela. After all, these babies are already MS13 members and will have the Venezuelan army in tatters in less than a month.

you like 'em old...that's cool
 

:neutral:

"My suggestion is that Trump bring back the Children's Crusade."
 

Or: we can implement Swift's modest proposal.

The people I know from Venezuela started moving out even their furniture over five years ago. They solved the problem that long ago.

Someone, please, translate this...
 

"The people I know from Venezuela started moving out even their furniture over five years ago. They solved the problem that long ago."

...cuz I ain't got a clue what it's supposed to mean, or how it's supposed to have anything at all to do with what I posted.

Wait - what? We're supposed to make replies that are relevant to the topic? Why doesn't anyone ever inform me of these things?

BTW your response to tw was enigmatic at best.

Treason?

Our main supplier of asbestos was Brazil but they have shut down so Russia is set to take over the #1 spot.
But first the needed to have Trumps EPA remove the restrictions. He did and they are grateful.

Hanlon's Razor should be applied here.


But don't rule out malice.

Don't rule out both together.

I'm getting a lot of "but Hillary, but Obama" traffic right now

Why are wacko extremist Trump supporters so silent lately?

This is classic Deflection inbred cousin to Whataboutism.

From the textbook of his arch nemesis

^^^

Nice, Bruce!

i peered out of my cubbyhole this morning and the dialogue looks like this:


US Public: I'm actually pretty fuckin' angry about this Putin thing...

Trump: (Tweets) NFL KNEEL DOWN OPINION OUT OF NOWHERE

US Public: OMG!! Look!! A squirrel!!


so easily trolled

There's not much to be said about the current situation since it's so obvious: Trump is gay for Putin and those complaining are a bunch of homophobes.

Well - it's all very surreal to watch.

The NATO thing and his visit to Britain were amazing. It's like he had a bucket list of people to insult. To go from that to fawning over Putin like a schoolboy with a crush was disturbing.

From the NYTimes

An opinion from Kansas.

Never forget what his 'strategic objective' is. There was no personal gain from being nice or intellectual with European. Better is to blame them. Since that gets his supporters to believe him - to entrench their fanatical support for The Don.

What he did in Europe and what he did with Putin was a disaster - to those who make conclusions from facts. But those are not his supporters. The Don gets his ego boost by being supportive and friendly with Putin.

Also remember, he was not watching Fox and Friends to temper or plan his actions. So he was on his own - guessing what would promote him. He is not very good without that feedback. So he made some mistakes causing so many of his supporters (including Fox News correspondents) to be so critical.

What is a President to do? Threaten war with Iran. The resulting emotions get his supporters to forget what happened last week.

It is always about promoting the Don - not about America or any American allies. He is now using a "Wag the Dog" strategy.

Today, kids taken from refugees (most seeking political asylum) are suppose to be reunited with their parents. Problem. Parents for some 450 kids are no longer in the US - many having been deported without their children.

This, in part, because extremists wanted to execute a program justified by their political biases; without any thought to intelligence or decency. These same types also loved Guantanamo and openly said Gestapo style torture is good.

They do not know where parent for most of the 450 kids are located. Being wacko extremists, they could not bother to keep track of what kids belong to what parents. And where those parents were located. They were interested in what the penis of The Don told them to do. Screw others.

Not a single comment about The Don openly authorizing a payoff to another conquest so that truth is not public. This time "someone" bought out a Playboy article that showed how immoral The Don really is.

Did he do it to protect Melanie? Nobody would even suggest that. He will probably trade her in for a newer model. He did it only to promote The Donald. Since even America is only secondary to that objective.

Three posts in a row by tw, Gravdigr's got some competition.

Every day The Don contributes to absurdity. So routinely that is it no longer news?

Even attacking long time, highly regarded intelligence officers because his collusion with Russians reeks of treason. When is that no longer absurd?

When non-elected officials (or former officials) get too big for their britches by publicly attacking a sitting elected official. One can't publicly attack the person without diminishing the power of office that they hold. That's why some elected officials get to have political tools like the granting of security clearances. It helps to keep those who weren't elected from effecting a popular coup by taking away their access to government resources.

They have a right to free speech; but, they don't have a right to a security clearance which is a prerequisite for holding many jobs in government and as a government contractor. The emotionally stable ones will take their grievances through back channels to other elected officials and not air their dirty laundry in public for worldwide scrutiny. The emotionally erratic ones who court public opinion for their self aggrandizement are a bad risk for holding an active security clearance.

Are you talking about Trump there? I don't think there's a way to remove his clearance.

Obviously I could NOT be talking about Trump. US Presidents don't have a security clearance. Presidents are elected to have unlimited access: they don't need no stinkin' security clearance. Presidential designees grant clearances on behalf of the President, not to the President who is only vetted while a Presidential candidate. The only practical way to remove a President's access is to remove that person from office.

I sent this to a woman who responded, "Is that who's running for President in 2020?"
And she votes. :facepalm:

But she has the kind of legs you like, right?

The women kind.

It's an old joke, said about a guy who's not fussy about the women; She's got the kind of legs he likes, feet on one end and pussy on the other.

(the first half suffices in polite company)

Can't recall if I posted this already and can't be arsed searching :P

. Recommend going full screen for when there's text on screen.

1. The rise of fascism...



I highly recommend watching the other episodes.

Trump is not Hitler...




I highly recommend checking out the rest of the series ( there's another 2, don't know if he's planning more)

You know you want a picture of him and Liz.

In a similar Watergate timeline, this is when John McCord realized he would be jailed for decades due to his felonies for Nixon. This last week, many of The Don's henchmen turned states evidence. One is so wacko extremist as to deny his felonies - and was prosecuted. There will always be some Gordon Liddy types.

Because so many are exposing evil and corruption by this president, then the President is repeatedly attacking his Attorney General - Jeff Sessions. Does this sound like a Saturday Night massacre is about to happen? Watergate deja vue. Sure sounds like it. This president even makes Nixon look honest.

John McCain just died. Most patriotic leaders from both parties praise him - from the heart and not to be politically correct. The Don cannot. He posts sympathies to McCain's family with an unstated and obvious implication. Sorry that they had John McCain in their family.

We can expect every former president to appear at McCain's viewing or funeral. But one will not because McCain specifically said so. The Don (an evil man) is uninvited. Which makes the many other presidents happy. Since The Don has repeatedly violated an unwritten rule among presidents. Never criticize and blame past presidents. Only a corrupt Mafioso leader would not understand that. The Don obviously is disdained by all previous and living presidents.

All most likely inconsequential. The Republican Governor of Arizona is expected to replace McCain with someone who is more party line.

Company executives, brainwashed by business school concepts and The Don's wacko extremist talk show hosts, cheered when Trump started a trade war on aluminum and steel. A classic example is the owner of American Keg. He still thinks those tariffs are good. And was completely taken by surprise when his costs skyrocketed. His customers are now buying kegs from overseas. Did he have basic economic knowledge? Did he not understand the obvious? Did he even know that many metals necessary for American products are not made productively in America? Some companies are so anti-American as to still use 1964 technology blast furnaces to make steel. Tariffs were created to protect America's least productive industries.

America Keg now laid off a third of their workforce. The owner said he was surprised it happened. A perfect example of another brainwashed by Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity.

Those tariffs have started doing and will increase major damage to markets (the American economy). But significant damage will be apparent for years. His 'wacko extremist' inspired tariffs are now creating major price increases in paper, polypropylene, and other materials consumed by America's productive and now intentionally harmed businesses.

Does not matter. Extremists still believe The Don has done good. We will see those result years later when companies some companies finally file for bankruptcy.

Pain has been especially hard on part suppliers for the auto industry. A threat that has not been seen in that industry since George Jr's economics created a massive recession many years later - including the death of Lehman Bros.

He has proposed a new wall:

I suppose, if he meant the Sahara's border with Spain, he's right.

The Don is upset because Mexican money is not in a new budget. Did they forget to bill Mexico?

A book by Michael Lewis, The Fifth Risk

From here I like this little story, it matches neatly with how I imagine many or most Trump supporters feel.

More later, Y has just arrived.

"it imagines the destruction it wants Trump to inflict on the things it doesn't like about the government. It doesn't imagine all the collateral damage — it doesn't imagine the damage it will actually do."

Mebbe so.

Could be, however' a goodly chunk of 'Trump voters' are willin' to crawl on nekkid bellies across a mile and a half of glass shards and razors if it means *commies like yourself lose.

Could be a whole whack of 'Trump voters' are well aware of all the unavoidable consequences. Could be they see Trump as the debilitating (possibly lethal) chemo/radiative onslaught needed to kill a deep-rooted cancer.

Could be, mebbe, you think?









*quite apart from Karl and his apostles, if you see gov as solution, think it should do more, think it should direct you, think of it as anything other than a neccessary evil, a slippery tool, then -- yeah -- you're a fuckin' commie (communitarian, or communist...half a dozen of one, six of the other)

The government is nothing more than a multi-use tool. If we forego the good that tool can do and turn it into a bludgeon to smite our fellow Americans, we as a people suffer the consequences. ALL OF US.

Not just those on the left, not just those on the right. Not some of us, but ALL OF US.

^this

It is only a tool. I used to imagine our government like a pendulum sensible voters pulling us back from too far left or too far right. Now a shit-ton of sensible people are on the sidelines and main street goes unrepresented while banking and other corporate interests have their way with the lawmaking and public purse. It pisses everyone* off and a certain percentage of pissed off people are willing to lay the anger off on folks who've only recently begun to make cultural inroads.

*not everyone

I think that's accurate. Hillary got a lot of flack for saying it, but she underestimated their count.

such 'well-balanced' views
 

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It is so sad to see the "standard Trump voter" and "standard D voter" personified, stereotyped and caricatured here, when they are here on the Cellar, and have been here amongst us all along, and don't fit any caricature except their own.

that's my point, on the nose, toad...there is no 'trump voter', just folks who...
 

...for a number of disparate reasons voted for Trump.

Now, me: I voted for Trump cuz, even if he does nuthin' else, there's a better than fair chance he'll leave me (and you and him and her) be and -- to the degree possible -- make it so Congress leaves me (and you and him and her) be.

Trump's no minarchist but he's a damn-sight closer than Clinton.

Sure as shit: Clinton was not gonna leave me (and you and him and her) be.

I have little in common with the 'Trump voter' certain folks in-forum promote, and no matter how many times I state my view one fuck or another (hi, tw!) tries to box me and shelve me.

Fuck that, fuck them (hi, griff!).

If it's my lot to play 'Trump voter' then -- fine -- I'll play 'Trump voter'.

Like so: you're all commie pussies and you all deserve helicopter rides.

I don't think a response of caricaturing the other will help, especially if you don't make it clear beforehand.

Note for those not up on the latest in right-wing 'humor': 'Helicopter rides' are referencing Pinochet dropping prisoners out of helicopters.

"I don't think a response of caricaturing the other will help, especially if you don't make it clear beforehand."

Gimme a break, toad.

I've played it straight, over the years, many times, but the bulk here aren't interested.

Just like the government, the Internet is also a (potentially destructive) tool.

For most of my career, I've concerned myself with intense historical research. Pre-Internet, life was hell. There were libraries of course, but not every library had every book, so accurate and thorough research was a bitch. Post-Internet, I'm astounded every day by the incredible wealth of information and data I'm able to access, study, and put to use in the furtherance of my career (and my global awareness).

Unfortunately, it seems like 97% of our populace has become hopelessly addicted to using the incredible power of the Internet (and its enormous banks of information and documentation) to notify the planet that the guy in line in front of them at Starbucks this morning just farted.

As a nation, it feels like we've abdicated ourselves to the *ooh, sparkly!* no attention span, hive-mind, brain-numbing, ego-boosting properties of social media. This "Twitter-hypnosis" (so to speak) leads the mindless and easily led to accepting/believing the blasé lies shouted by a con-man president, and ignoring the unrestrained grab/break-it-while-you-can greed running rampant throughout our government and its institutions. In short, I feel like our supposedly educated and independent first-world populace has willingly embraced the insanely politicised Internet zombification, because thinking for oneself is too fuckin' hard. :eyebrow:

I despair that there's any return from this. Realistically, I have about 10 years left on this earth. I'm glad I'm old, FFS.

Jesus.

Quick side step: what's your area of research and scholarship Glinda?

I toyed with being an academic historian - bachelors, masters and doctorate - but in the end it required way too much of a commitment to pursue as a serious career option (not many jobs come up in universities annually and those that do are rarely within a commutable distance so would mean relocation) and wasn't great for my mental health - I need way more externally imposed structure in my working day or I'll do fuck all and end up desperately chasing deadlines.

The research though was really good fun.

Connecting back to your point about the internet: I went back into education in 2005/6 and the internet was really starting to make itself felt as a study and research tool. But it was still second place to physical books in studying. By the time I exited academia in 2015 online study and research had hit about 50/50 and for some of the students I taught, it was probably 60/40 in favour of online sources.

The information I had easily available to me for my dissertation in 2008/9 was great, but the information available for my thesis in 2014/15 was staggering. Still a lot of tramping about in archives, but the digital versions of 19th century soldiers' journals, for example, or contemporary legal studies and medical reviews made for a vast and searchable resource. Curated collections like the Old Bailey trial records, or early women's writings, all fully searchable, are a major boon to researchers and bring proper historical research fully within reach at even the early stages of study, back in high school.

I guess its my turn to play a Clinton voter. I voted Johnson / Weld because those other two are really awful, but it turns out Trump was much worse than anticipated.

Look Henry, I'm glad you finally outed yourself as a voter and as someone who voted their perceived best interest. You wish to be left alone as do we all. The Mexican immigrant would love to be left alone. The girl seeking an abortion wants to be left alone. A gay kid walking home wants to be left alone. Sometimes the government intrudes and sometimes it steps in so that people are left alone. It is a conversation we need to be having with each other and our government.

I admit shitty behavior on this thread.

"I'm glad you finally outed yourself as a voter and as someone who voted their perceived best interest."

What shit you spew. My agenda, and my voting, is no secret. I made no admission in this thread that I hsven't already made elsewhere, in-forum.

"finally outed yourself": up yours, griff.

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"You wish to be left alone as do we all."

Yep.

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"The Mexican immigrant would love to be left alone."

The legal immigrants should be; the illegal types need to go.

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"The girl seeking an abortion wants to be left alone."

As long as I ain't payin' for it: abort away!

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"A gay kid walking home wants to be left alone."

Yep.

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"Sometimes the government intrudes and sometimes it steps in so that people are left alone."

I favor small, neutral, castrated gov (sensible police, courts of last resort, border-securing millitary).

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"It is a conversation we need to be having with each other and our government."

Talk, talk, talk...how ' about we take pliers to the gov's testes then put it out to pasture to get fat eatin' grass?

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"I admit shitty behavior on this thread."

I admit to nuthin'...I'm a fuckin' angel.

Why is your reasoning always infused with insults? Insults are why Trump is so popular. And why he also attracts Nazis, KKK, White Supremacists, and others who also both love and spout hate and insults.

Did you even once post something without hate and other disparaging comments? I never saw it. Show me. Or simply demonstrate. It should not be hard.

Maybe reply to Griff this time without acting like an 'adult who is a child'. Reply honestly and logically; not emotionally.

tw, it's not hard to get: I'm a vulgar man, always have been, always will be
 

'nuff said.

I've always been something of a research nut. :rolleyes:

Years ago, I worked at a Beverly Hills auction company, researching the items that were consigned and writing scholarly descriptions of the pieces (following The Manuscript Society's guidelines) for auction catalogs. I worked primarily on presidential autographs and letters, but we also did air and space auctions, sports, Hollywood memorabilia, Western Americana, rock and roll, and so on. One high point of that job was working on one of the world's most expensive/rarest autographs.

After about four years of that, I hooked up with Heritage Auction Galleries in Dallas. For the next four years, they flew me out to Dallas to work on their catalogs two weeks a month. While there, I worked primarily on collectible books, air and space, presidential, Texiana, and Western Americana.

Since that time, I've worked on catalogs for private dealers and have put together a few archives for small museums. I also edit/proofread things - for eight or nine years, I proofread foreign language election materials for six Southern CA counties. Right now I'm editing a huge med school book for people who want to become maternity nurses. I really miss the historical research, but editing and proofreading has its own rewards (if you're a geek like me!).

Oh that sounds like it would have been really interesting.

I also miss the historical research - though am loving what I do now.