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wolf 11-20-2006 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddug
Dana C , I have not even bothered to read the above . You pose as

Wow. Ban must have taken effect in mid-post. Cool.

(apparently not. Buddug must have had to take a hit of oxygen, like Dennis Hopper in Blue Velvet. Or was that Nitrous. Whatever.)

wolf 11-20-2006 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha
So people taken as slaves out of Africa by British ships were never Muslim?

Kunta Kinte was. I remember that from the book.

wolf 11-20-2006 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddug
Islam cannot be disolved into the idea of nationhood . Islam scorns Christianity as being an incomplete form of religious identity . Islam sees the non-Muslim as impure . Islam does not accept any other way . There is no concept of there being several paths to climb the same mountain . A Muslim who decides to seek other paths of thought is an apostate , who theoretically deserves to be culled as an animal .
Islam asks for everything , and there does not seem to be any form of reasonable Islam on the way . Like , I'm really grateful not to be stoned .

They are frightened lunatics , and if they want to stop being seen as such , they should say so . I am sick to the back teeth of talking about tolerance and individuals to the sound of Muslim silence .

Oh crap. I agree with this.

fargon 11-20-2006 03:50 PM

I think we should let the Dutch run their country, their own way. The muslim countries do what they want. Why are we concerned about the civil rights of people who would not grant us our civil rights in their country.

Aliantha 11-20-2006 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jebediah
Not great when the goal of immigration is to integrate a person in society.

I think this is the key. I strongly disagree with this point. The value of immigration is clear in most western cultures which have been enriched by the absorption of new cultures.

I can't imagine how boring life would be if we all just had one generic culture.

Just think for a minute about how many different cultures have influnced your life because you have access to them in your every day life.

I'm sure you're probably thinking about different foods, styles of dress, music and a vast number of other cultural markers which define other ways of life.

Now consider the idea that if you accept the things you like about new/different cultures, then try and entertain the idea of accepting those things you don't understand.

Life is not without risk, but just because something is a risk, doesn't mean the worst is likely to happen, then again, maybe it might.

Griff 11-20-2006 05:53 PM

Dutch Ban Burkas - nice band name btw

Trilby 11-20-2006 06:00 PM

I embrace all cultures with open arms...especially those with good food.

However, I would prefer not to be killed for wearing shorts.

Aliantha 11-20-2006 06:12 PM

I'd be dead now if that were the case. Plus, I don't think my choice in shirts would be viewed very favourably either.

I'm glad I live in Australia!

Clodfobble 11-20-2006 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha
I'm sure you're probably thinking about different foods, styles of dress, music and a vast number of other cultural markers which define other ways of life.

Food and music I'll give you. I can't think of an example of my wearing another culture's clothing. Which is interesting, given that the ban is on a certain type of clothing...

Aliantha 11-20-2006 06:30 PM

So you've never worn a sarong?

Aliantha 11-20-2006 06:31 PM

What about adopting phrases in another language?

Trilby 11-20-2006 06:56 PM

Have I never worn a sarong?

I have actually worn the entire regalia of the Bay City Rollers; Bob Segar (mustache was difficult) ZZTOPP (see aforementioned mustache difficulty plus beard) Stevie Nicks with the Mac (loads of chiffon), (including top hat and cocaine fetish; and, believe it or not, MORE chiffon) Captain and Tennille and...HR PuffenStuff--costume was hellish.

I was lucky to get out of there with my life.

Aliantha 11-20-2006 07:05 PM

It would seem so. lol

WabUfvot5 11-20-2006 07:26 PM

I think we have different takes on the word integrating. I don't mean that they should give up who they are or what they believe. Rather they shouldn't close off from others. Integration in my view is not the melting pot. Integration is being able to able to interract with your fellow citizens. I fully believe burkas are a hindrance to this.

Aliantha 11-20-2006 07:29 PM

Because you're projecting your understanding of culture onto someone else's.


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