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Toymented 03-20-2007 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 324773)
The brain has an amazing ability to heal itself even from those drugs that do harm it. Even from heavy meth use the brain will be back to normal dopamine production within a year. Marijuana does not kill brain cells or inhibit production of any hormones. If someone has retarded their social skills through isolation and lack of education you may want to lay that at the door of one aspect of their life, I put it where it truly lies, choice... unless they were born limited. Then marijuana use would not have made a difference.
As stated by another here, the larger town next to me has a city planner, someone I know, who smokes daily, and has since his teens. One of the most articulate, intelligent and outgoing men I have ever known.
The "pot-head" being created by smoking is a myth and always has been.
Hell, I have known people who were competative bodybuilders (before the days of rampant testing) who smoked before they worked out. Not a choice I would have made, but to each their own. He said it helped him to calm down and relax.
So you recommend it and ascribe benefit?

Cloud 03-20-2007 06:31 PM
I do not understand what "chick pot" might be.

Toymented 03-20-2007 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 324716)
But, if I drink a beer that does not make me an alcoholic, if I smoke one cigar a week I am not addicted to tobacco, if I play the lottery once every two weeks so I can dream about "what if" for a week for fun with my wife I am not a gambling addict, if I bungee jump once in a while at the fair because I like the thrill I am not an adrenaline junkie, and if I steal low value items or small amounts of money every now and again consciously I am not a kleptomaniac.
If everyone who does not think like me is "bad" I am an ass.
And even better with pot, eh? You can smoke like an old Rambler and not even approach addiction.

rkzenrage 03-20-2007 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Toymented (Post 324805)
Sorry you can't see it. Do you fear being labeled?
Not remotely, people that do that are ignorant and should be ignored.

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Originally Posted by Toymented (Post 324808)
So you recommend it and ascribe benefit?
Depends on the individual, how and why they use it.
For me, I use it for medical benefit. Due to my pain level I do not get high off of it, so yes, for that absolutely. There are days that go by when I could not eat without it. It also reduces muscle spasms drastically for me and affects of nerve damage.

As for recreational use, it is very relaxing and fun and does not have the lasting negative affects that alcohol has. Between the two there is no choice IMO. Though this is no longer an option for me and I had long stopped using it for that when I became very ill, I never felt it was a bad thing.

As for the above statement, there is nothing in marijuana that is physically addictive. Some may become mentally dependent on it, but they would become so on something anyway.

Toymented 03-20-2007 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 324824)
Some may become mentally dependent on it, but they would become so on something anyway.
Wow, that is quite crass and dismissive for such an enlightened fellow.

rkzenrage 03-20-2007 06:58 PM
Please enlighten me.
Someone becomes dependent one something that is not even addictive?
Be serious.

zippyt 03-20-2007 07:17 PM
Dude I think ( and I agree) what he is trying to say is some folks are prone to getting hooked on ANYTHING ,
I have seen ex drinkers switch over to Most any thing , from religion to being fanatical about flyfishing ,
Some folks chan't just do and enjoy they just go overboard

Clodfobble 03-21-2007 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Cloud
I do not understand what "chick pot" might be.
Alcohol tastes like ass (beer even moreso.) But those alcoholic beverages commonly referred to as "chick drinks" are sweet and fruity and taste good. Likewise, pot tastes and smells like ass. But if they ever manage to invent a form of pot which is sweet and fruity and doesn't smell or taste like smoke (not saying it's possible, just making unreasonable requests :)), then its use among college co-eds will skyrocket.

Spexxvet 03-21-2007 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 324955)
... But if they ever manage to invent a form of pot which is sweet and fruity and doesn't smell or taste like smoke (not saying it's possible, just making unreasonable requests :)), then its use among college co-eds will skyrocket.
Mix one off the shelf brownie mix with desired amount of mary-ja-wanna, bake, and eat.

Shawnee123 03-21-2007 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 325045)
Mix one off the shelf brownie mix with desired amount of mary-ja-wanna, bake, and eat.
What time is dinner?

rkzenrage 03-21-2007 02:22 PM
Another good, quick, thing one can do if in pain is a Leary biscuit.
A cracker, bud, cheese on top, microwave until cheese is completely melted. Must heat the bud well, microwave a bit before placing the cheese. The heat activates the THC. It works well. Not as fast and "strong" as smoking, but mitigates the negative effects of smoking and the positive effects lasts longer.
Those with muscle spasms and nausea tend to smoke because they want faster relief. Those with nerve pain tend to eat theirs so the effects will last longer. A combination of the two is desirable for those like myself where spasms tear muscle and cause nerve damage.

Sheldonrs 03-21-2007 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 324431)
What can you do drunk that you can't do stoned?
My bf. When I drink too much (more than 2 drinks) I fall asleep.
Weed makes me tired too but still "functional". ;)

Happy Monkey 03-21-2007 02:40 PM
You got that backwards. That's something (someone) you can do stoned that you can't do drunk.

Aliantha 03-22-2007 01:42 AM
I would argue that most addictions are just as much mental as physical. There is research to back this view.

It's very difficult to define why some people become addicted to some things and other people become addicted to other things. Mostly it's about fulfilling some need that isn't being fulfilled through 'normal' means.

Addiction is personal and it's pointless being judgemental either way because you never know when you might be the one addicted to something that society views as inappropiate.

rkzenrage 03-22-2007 01:47 AM
I have a real problem with calling what people are to things like the internet, porn and marijuana "addicted".
I think it is a cop-out.
Addiction is a disease, something physical.
There is nothing physical about a compulsion for something that you are not physically addicted to, they are not the same thing and should be separated semantically.


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