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Aliantha 02-24-2009 10:43 PM

It's not that he's allowed to. It's that he has the opportunity to.

The thing to consider is that he's not the only one to have those views, so he's speaking on behalf of all the others who don't have the same opportunity to do so.

That's why celebrities are able to get away with it.

sugarpop 02-24-2009 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 538600)
Why? What makes their opinion any more valid than anyone elses? Why should they get to be on TV espousing their political points when the average person whose points are just as valid cannot?
Why should Sean Penn be allowed to go off at the award ceremony about his feelings regarding same sex marriage?

What makes their opinion any LESS valid? If you were well-known, wouldn't you want to use your voice to support things or causes you believe in? I know I would...

And ftr, Sean Penn did that because the ROLE he won the award for was that of a gay man who was murdered. The things he said were very relevant.

sugarpop 02-24-2009 10:49 PM

I would just add, the Academy Awards, while watched by the world, are INDUSTRY AWARDS. There is no reason why he shouldn't have made the speech he made.

classicman 02-24-2009 11:31 PM

There is no reason why he should have.

Aliantha 02-24-2009 11:32 PM

Well they have to talk about something. What's wrong with talking about the theme of the movie?

TheMercenary 02-24-2009 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 538601)
Hollywood doesn't pay bonuses. They pay backend percentages on PROFITS. In other words, if the movie makes money, people make more than their salary. If it doesn't, they don't. Isn't that how bonuses are supposed to work? Most actors are very public about their beliefs that they should be paying higher taxes (at least the democrats do). They really mean it.

As far as under the line people being laid off while above the line people make more money, I have been ranting about THAT for YEARS, and you know that about me.

We call them royalties.

sugarpop 02-25-2009 12:38 AM

Same thing. Makes more sense than paying bonuses to people when the company is going down in flames...

classicman 02-25-2009 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 538632)
Well they have to talk about something. What's wrong with talking about the theme of the movie?

Nothing - keep it to that - all of them. I used him as the latest example and perhaps a poor one. Oh well.
Take the award say thank and go away. I don't think its right for them to use that setting to espouse their political beliefs. Put it on a blog.

That would be akin to me talking politics to every client I speak to, or when someone calls in for IT help, or the pizza delivery guy or your auto mechanic...

xoxoxoBruce 02-25-2009 08:31 AM

You and the pizza guy and the mechanic can talk politics, or whatever, but you risk losing your customer. So do actors.

classicman 02-25-2009 08:53 AM

They live in a fantasy world 99.99999% of us can only dream of.
Whatevah.

xoxoxoBruce 02-25-2009 10:33 AM

I wouldn't pay money to go see a Tom Cruise movie.

Happy Monkey 02-25-2009 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 538609)
I would just add, the Academy Awards, while watched by the world, are INDUSTRY AWARDS. There is no reason why he shouldn't have made the speech he made.

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 538631)
There is no reason why he should have.

One reason he should have is that he wanted to. What is the reason he shouldn't have?

If someone ends up with an audience, I applaud any efforts on their part to say something important, even at the risk of losing some people from their fanbase. If you don't want celebrities to say anything meaningful, why listen to them talk? And if you don't listen to them talk, why care about whether they're saying anything meaningful?

classicman 02-25-2009 11:19 AM

okie dokie - mums the word.

tw 02-25-2009 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 538631)
There is no reason why he should have.

1) Because he has the right to defined by the Constitution and as an honorary member of the Academy.
2) Because he has further earned the right to by his accomplishments and respect of his peers.
3) Because that is the principle behind the movie.
4) Because his opinions have more validity than yours.
5) Because he is doing what is his job - promoting the movie.
5) Because far more people are interested in his opinions and few are interested in yours.
6) Because if you don't like it, then you could have changed the channel.
7) Because principles that make America great were defined in his speech.
8) Because those who promote hate would so dislike his comments as to divulge the hate that they champion.

Just a few reasons that justify his comments.

Aliantha 02-25-2009 09:08 PM

Well I think you might have had about half right there tw.


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