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gvidas 08-06-2010 10:03 PM

Is there an argument against the project that isn't rooted in a fairly fundamental discomfort with Islam?

Not only is it going to be a fairly architecturally ambiguous project (minaret-free, as it were), the mosque is actually going to be fairly far, in an urban sense, from ground zero.

Lamplighter 08-06-2010 10:15 PM

I'm posting this because I feel exactly the same about the Anti Defamation League and it's recent decision about the Mosque...

Fareed Zakaria's Letter to the ADL


Quote:

Dear Mr. Foxman,
Five years ago, the ADL honored me with its Hubert Humphrey First Amendment Freedoms Prize. I was delighted and moved to have been chosen for it in good measure because of the high esteem in which I hold the ADL. I have always been impressed by the fact that your mission is broad – “to put an end forever to unjust and unfair discrimination against and ridicule of any sect or body of citizens” – and you have interpreted it broadly over the decades. You have fought discrimination against all religions, races, and creeds and have built a well-deserved reputation.

<snip>

I cannot in good conscience hold onto the award or the honorarium that came with it and am returning both. I hope that it might add to the many voices that have urged you to reconsider and reverse your position on this issue.* This decision will haunt the ADL for years if not decades to come. Whether or not the center is built, what is at stake here is the integrity of the ADL and its fidelity to its mission. Admitting an error is a small price to pay to regain your reputation.

classicman 08-06-2010 11:11 PM

I wonder how long it will take Fareed to admit his.

Lamplighter 08-07-2010 01:22 AM

???

You know something about him that I should know ?

tw 08-07-2010 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 674978)

Wow. Saudis. UN. IslamoNazis. German Nazis. The Koran. All have conspired in an axis of evil to destroy America. Pat Condell told us - it must be true.

Pat Condell forgot to dress in his white 'glory suit', ignite a cross, and salute the Imperial Wizard before recording a tirade endorsed by TheMercenary. Wow. One could not ask for a more racist hate speech. The only word he forgot to use to describe Muslims was nigger.

As an extremist, he even 'proved' the UN has conspired with Islam to destroy America.

Why are Islam and 11 Sept related? The enemy is bin Laden and Al Qaeda. A terrorist organization based in hate. Why are so many upset? Because wackos have successfully got so many blaming Islam for 11 Sept. Same logic from George Jr also blamed Saddam so that George Jr could waste the lives of 4000 American soldiers.

At what point does everyone associate 11 September with real enemies? bin Laden. Wackos have so many blaming Islam for 11 September. Wackos, who all but protected bin Laden and who gain power by promoting hate, need us to hate Muslims. And so many oblige.

Wackos have again spun us into lying to ourselves. 11 Sept is about bin Laden; not about Islam. And bin Laden is not building a mosque.

Better is to have everyone ask the only relevant question when 11 September is mentioned. When do we get bin Laden? Wackos hope you never ask that question. Wackos gain power through hate; by blaming Muslims. By endorsing Pat Condell's bigotry.

xoxoxoBruce 08-07-2010 02:53 AM

Yeah, 9-11 was bin Laden's doing, but there were plenty of radical Muslims in the middle east and Indonesia that didn't like us, because of our support for Israel. This gave bin Laden a large pool to recruit from, and funding too.
Then invading Iraq gave them the chance to turn to moderate Muslims and say, see, see, I told you so, which really fucked things up.

Read the story of Abd el-Kader, whom Elkader, Iowa, was named after... the only Arab to be so honored.

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Sundae 08-07-2010 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 674931)
Ever read or see "Neverwhere"? A lot of old tube stations make appearances.

But of course. I think I've bought everything ever published by Neil Gaiman, many more than once (as presents). I've been keeping him in the gothic style to which he has become accustomed for years now.

But, yes, I had completely forgotten about his Angel Islington.
And d'ya know what? I never knew it started as a TV show. When it was released on DVD a while back I avoided it out of principle, assuming it could never be as good as the book! Fool. Next, someone will be telling me the Iain Banks' The Crow Road was worth watching...

Anyway, back to Muslims and mosques an all that.

Griff 08-07-2010 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl (Post 675017)

Anyway, back to Muslims and mosques an all that.

I'd just as soon talk about Neverwhere as get into another hate fest. Good book. Lil' Pete's English teacher assigned M is for Magic to her class two years back.

classicman 08-07-2010 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 675007)
The enemy is bin Laden

At what point does everyone associate 11 September with real enemies? bin Laden. Wackos, who all but protected bin Laden
11 Sept is about bin Laden;
And bin Laden is not building a mosque.

When do we get bin Laden?

Again - Bin Laden reportedly died in the early 2000's. Apparently from some heart or kidney issue.

Shawnee123 08-07-2010 09:35 AM

He reportedly owns Snapple, too.

:lol:

Pete Zicato 08-07-2010 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 675031)
I'd just as soon talk about Neverwhere as get into another hate fest. Good book. Lil' Pete's English teacher assigned M is for Magic to her class two years back.

I can also recommend Gaiman's "The Graveyard Book". Mrs. Z got it for her tween students, but I got to read it before it went off to school. I liked the old-fashioned folk-tale feel to the story. The characters were memorable and the plot was well done.

Griff 08-08-2010 11:24 AM

Will check that out.

tw 08-08-2010 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 675040)
He reportedly owns Snapple, too.

Careful. Classicman will also quote you as a source.

classicman 08-08-2010 02:41 PM

Quoting oneself was learned from tw.

TheMercenary 08-08-2010 08:13 PM

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