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wolf 01-11-2005 04:20 PM

They are doing that in Truro, MA

Except they are not just retaining samples collected from crime scenes or from known offenders — in an attempt to solve a murder case, the police are seeking to take a DNA sample from all males in the town.

wolf 01-11-2005 07:40 PM

In other news, the VA Miscarriage Bill has been pulled.

Griff 01-11-2005 07:57 PM

“I’ve never been blogged before,” he said. “The tone of the e-mails has been disgusting. It’s, 'You’re a horrible person. You ought to be crucified.’ And those were the nice ones.”

Maybe you were never this big an a-hole before?

Cosgrove said his bill was intended to add more teeth to laws penalizing women who abandon full-term infants after birth.

It reads: “When a fetal death occurs without medical attendance, it shall be the woman’s responsibility to report the death to the law-enforcement agency in the jurisdiction of which the delivery occurs within 12 hours after the delivery.” Women who failed to report the death could have been convicted of a Class 1 misdemeanor, which carries a maximum penalty of 12 months in jail and a $2,500 fine.


[sarcasm]I'm sure most women who lose a baby immediately think, "Gee I'd better report myself to the police cuz I must be a criminal."[/sarcasm]

xoxoxoBruce 01-11-2005 08:26 PM

Well then, we took care of that. How about this AP story from Boston.com.
Quote:

KIEV, Ukraine -- Ukraine's youngest ever mother on record, an 11-year-old girl, has given birth to a healthy baby boy weighing 3.8 kilograms (8.4 pounds), a newspaper reported Thursday.
Surgeons at hospital No. 5 in the eastern city of Kharkiv delivered the infant by Caesarean section on Tuesday, the Fakty daily said, citing the unidentified mother's doctor, Valentyn Gryshchenko.
Both mother and son are in good health, but will remain in the hospital under observation for a week.
The family of the sixth-grader refused to stop the pregnancy and "put everything in the hands of fate," Gryshchenko was quoted as saying.
The boy is expected to live at home with his mother and grandmother.
The newborn's alleged father is a 26-year-old neighbor who fled fearing criminal charges when he learned of the girl's pregnancy, Fakty said. If convicted of having sexual relations with a minor, the father faces a maximum prison sentence of three years.
THREE YEARS!?!?!? WTF. :eek:

OnyxCougar 01-12-2005 09:58 AM

[bad accent]It's Russia. Vat do you expect?[/bad accent]

jinx 01-12-2005 10:08 AM

Yushchenko won, it's Ukraine not Russia. ;)

OnyxCougar 01-12-2005 10:10 AM

My bad.

richlevy 01-12-2005 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
Well then, we took care of that. How about this AP story from Boston.com.

THREE YEARS!?!?!? WTF. :eek:

It's his fault for not waiting until she was twelve. :yelsick: BTW, legally, you can get married at age 12 in Kansas, Massachusetts, and some other states without specific minimum ages. When Jerry Lee Lewis was 19 he married his 13 year old cousin.

I'm not going to comment until I know more about the customs of that part of the world. Personally, if the family insists on keeping the baby, and they want it to have a father, I think a special :shotgun: wedding ceremony should be planned and the groom given a choice between supporting his child and an indefinite stay in whatever gulag is still running up there.

Happy Monkey 02-08-2005 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

And popped back up in a watered-down form in Texas (Enter HR702). Happily, this version doesn't put the onus on the woman, but it does require the doctor to submit patient records to the government, even information on miscarriages the woman suffered prior to her visit to the doctor.

OnyxCougar 02-08-2005 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pie
Until the day that there is 100% infallable birth control, I am 100% pro choice. After that day, I'll re-evaluate my stance.

No, abstinance doesn't count. Rape still causes pregnancies.

A child should be a choice -- a positive one, not a negative one!

- Pie

You know, I was reading this thread again, and even when there is 100% infallible birth control, unless the person uses it 100% of the time, it's not effective.

elf 02-08-2005 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar
You know, I was reading this thread again, and even when there is 100% infallible birth control, unless the person uses it 100% of the time, it's not effective.

100% infalliable birth control would have to be not only perfectly effective, but as acceptable, accessable, and inexpensive as Tylenol. And you'd only have to take it one time, until the point in time when you wish to conceive - then you take a just-as-effective antidote.

If only. . .

Undertoad 02-08-2005 11:15 AM

The five-year under-the-skin Norplant gets pretty close.

elf 02-08-2005 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad
The five-year under-the-skin Norplant gets pretty close.

Truth.

Now, just make it as easy to get (and as accepted) as Tylenol, we're good.

Progress is being made... we'll get there.

jinx 02-08-2005 12:09 PM

Does Norplant give you cancer after a few years like bc pills? Call me immoral all you want, I'd rather have an abortion.

jaguar 02-08-2005 12:16 PM

When are they coming out with the male version already? Keep hearing about it, it's starting to rival Duke Nukem Forever for vapourware.


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