| piercehawkeye45 |
04-26-2007 12:43 PM |
No one can be right on this argument because it is opinion. I can say we don't have free will and bring a damn good argument supporting my position and you could say we do have free will and bring a damn good argument supporting your position and how would we determine who is right if you can't prove it (you can not prove a having or lacking free will by the way).
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1. Humans didn't invent rights. They always existed, and humans merely discovered them in much the same way they discovered gravity. Rights are not "abstract concepts" or an idea. They are a tangible reality.
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Then how can you be born without human rights? If it is a tangible reality that means you could be born without it, then how can you be born without human rights?
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2. The human world is the world we live in. One could easily argue that without humans the universe would cease to exist entirely. It's the old tree falling with nobody around to hear it thing. If nobody existed with the cognitive ability to comprehend the universe, would it even exist? Without any humans alive on earth, there would still be human rights. There just wouldn't be any humans to exercise them.
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This could be true, but it is a very human self-centered idea that seems to be disproven everywhere in the universe saying that humans aren't anything special in the eyes of the universe.
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3. I didn't say we can't do things that "effect" other people, I said we can't do things that violate the person, property, or rights of non-consenting others.
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If you "effect" someone negatively, you violate someone’s rights as a person.
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6. Humans alone have natural human rights. We are above all other creatures due to our higher level of sentience, and our ability to reason and to think outside of ourselves.
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So when did humans start to have human rights? Was there suddenly a time when we had these rights or what?
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Our rights do not include going through life without being offended or getting your feelings hurt. Nobody can steal your pride. Nobody else controls your pride or self-esteem but yourself.
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How do you know? What makes you think that your version of human rights are the right one?
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I've broken it down to a level even a child can understand, but in your case, I'll break it down further.
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We understand what you are saying and actually agree more than you think we do but we just disagree on a few aspects. Well at least I do.
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You are free to join the ranks of the most heinous sociopaths of history by trying to deny the reality that human rights exist, but these claims merit the same consideration as denying existence of gravity.
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Once you join a society then you do have rights and I'm sure no one here denies that it is just that without a society, you don't have any rights because society invented that concept so people could live peacefully with each other. |
