So you admit that you drink someone's kool-aid or ade. Really smell and taste have nothing to do with quality sometimes.

Personally I don't drink the powdered sugary drinks at all.

I found this article interesting, even if it is from cracked.com:
6 Things You Won't Believe Can Brainwash You On Election Day

First, it was morethanpretty who gave the cheap shot. However,
TW is right for once. I need to apologize to morethanpretty. Her Kool-Aid isn't full of BS, its ingredient is a slow death.
But TW is wrong on everything else he says, because I have no political party to teach me what to think. But then, unlike you TW, I was never foolish enough to think Obama was a libertarian. I don't know who gives you your marching orders or talking points, and I don't care. As far as I know, you're the only one who believes them.

Cheap-shot? It was a joke. Your perceptions are way off.

Personally I don't give a rat's ass about you. You're clearly entrenched in your beliefs, so why try discussing with you? You don't even seem to have basic debate skills so it wouldn't even be a mental exercise.

After re-reading some of these posts, it seems it was Bri who did the first Kool-Aid reference, but it was just embellished by MTP. My apology only for totally blaming MTP for the insult.

I just heard this was all a joke. Well foolish meI thought it was more insults. Well I guess this whole thread must be a joke too. Ha ha. Good bye.

They were, and it hasn't. Admittedly, I live in a Navy town and drop in on the local American Legion post at the other end of town fairly regularly.

But even old NavVets like me, long out of the service, are getting "Thank you for your service" and a handshake, at random times and places around town.

Let's see: destruction of unfreedom -- happened when Saddam went fugitive, was later captured, and later hanged. Check.

Replacement of unfree social order with a democratic one. Check. (Corruption problems? Common in Third World countries. Undesirable, the same way measles are undesirable. Not necessarily lethal to the body politic, nor necessarily a reduction thereof, is it?)

And is not liberty a birthright of mankind, attributable to God if you're a believer, however weakly?

Don't sweat the patriotism angle: this was obedience to God, as Ben Franklin put it lo these many years ago.

And some people -- if they really are people and not some kind of possessed meatpuppets -- object to that.

You still wearing the uniform?

Maybe he is just showing off his tatoo.

Oh dear, Bruce. Was NavVet an unfamiliar term? Means Navy veteran. You hear recruiters using it mostly. 1977-86. You do seem to have missed the "long out of uniform" phrase.

My Navy retiree wife has more tats than I do. Which is easy, since I haven't any. She thinks it would be cool if I did get one. She got all two of 'em after she retired.

Oh fuck you, I know what navvet is.
How the fuck do they know if you're not wearing your uniform, or telling of your thrilling peacetime sagas.

In the telling. Do I need to spell everything out for you? I suppose I do; had you taken the oath of service and worn the uniform, you'd understand these matters exactly.

Oh, so they realize you're a vet but don't realize you're a dick until after the handshake?

I mean, I thank vets all the time, but not if they're dicks.

I'm starting to think that UG is a leftwing shill set up to piss people off with the right.

No one could be that bad at promoting their side.

The question is which side of Poe's Law he is on.