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BigV 04-09-2007 06:47 PM

I can't touch that. I concede the point to DanaC, and I yield the field.

The shattering cognitive disconnect between these two posts shows the positively galactic hypocrisy of this kind of thinking. And what makes it even more tragic, is the broad, unthinking support this kind of sloppy weak lazy pathetic excuse for thinking has.

DanaC 04-09-2007 06:48 PM

But.....Duck Duck, you just said that they were justified in detaining those they suspected of being terrorists....now I am confused.

BigV 04-09-2007 06:49 PM

So you're a hypocrite and I can't communicate with you. I don't speak your language and I have only a halting command of others' expressions of it.

I challenge you to answer my question. Pick one. Serious or not serious.

Then, the bonus round, reconcile the contradiction of your own words presented to you by DanaC.

I'll wait.

duck_duck 04-09-2007 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 332357)
I can't touch that. I concede the point to DanaC, and I yield the field.

The shattering cognitive disconnect between these two posts show the positively galactic hypocrisy of this kind of thinking. And what makes it even more tragic, is the broad, unthinking support this kind of sloppy weak lazy pathetic excuse for thinking has.

I find this quit funny considering your idea of a "dialogue" is calling somebody stupid because they do not share your opinion.

duck_duck 04-09-2007 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 332358)
But.....Duck Duck, you just said that they were justified in detaining those they suspected of being terrorists....now I am confused.

To clarify, I'm not condemning the americans for detaining the japanese in WW2, I brought that up to point out the flawed claim that america has this long standing tradition for the rule of law. They have been know to suspend their laws in many cases like in national emergencies or in war time.

Clodfobble 04-09-2007 06:56 PM

I think duck duck's original point was that of course detaining is technically against the law, but that's okay because we've always ignored the law, e.g. the Japanese in WWII.

duck_duck 04-09-2007 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 332359)
So you're a hypocrite and I can't communicate with you. I don't speak your language and I have only a halting command of others' expressions of it.

I challenge you to answer my question. Pick one. Serious or not serious.

Then, the bonus round, reconcile the contradiction of your own words presented to you by DanaC.

I'll wait.

Can you find somebody else to troll? Are you really that bored?

BigV 04-09-2007 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by duck_duck (Post 332353)
Are you capable of having a discussion without insulting people and accusing them of name calling when they didn't? If not then why do you bother?

Sure! In fact, I have a reputation on this board for not calling names. There are (counts on fingers....) about 1 1/2 exceptions. You're not even on that list. I'd love to have such a discussion. But neither do I pander or patronize. I show my fellow dwellars the respect of taking their posts seriously, and responding accordingly. My posts were not insults of commission or omission. You post serious, I post serious back.

DanaC 04-09-2007 06:59 PM

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Can you find somebody else to troll? Are you really that bored?
Kid, I like you, I really do...but you've been here like five minutes and you've just accused a longstanding member of trolling, just because he called you out. That's really bad form.

duck_duck 04-09-2007 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 332365)
Sure! In fact, I have a reputation on this board for not calling names. There are (counts on fingers....) about 1 1/2 exceptions. You're not even on that list. I'd love to have such a discussion. But neither do I pander or patronize. I show my fellow dwellars the respect of taking their posts seriously, and responding accordingly. My posts were not insults of commission or omission. You post serious, I post serious back.

You called me stupid because I have opinions you don't like. Now you are implying I can't possibly be serious because you do not like my opinions. So that is one blatant insult fallowed by another you try to cleverly hide.
Looks like you just blew your reputation.

duck_duck 04-09-2007 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 332366)
Kid, I like you, I really do...but you've been here like five minutes and you've just accused a longstanding member of trolling, just because he called you out. That's really bad form.

I accused him of trolling since he resorted to insults because he doesn't like my opinion. And he continues to insult me because I'm standing up to him about it.

BigV 04-09-2007 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 332362)
I think duck duck's original point was that of course detaining is technically against the law, but that's okay because we've always ignored the law, e.g. the Japanese in WWII.

Maaaaaaaybe. Let's try that one out a little.

My WHOLE point is that arbitrarily locking up people, on suspicion of the potential for some future crime, whether it was during the WWII era or the GWOT era, is wrong. It's wrong to do it and the only thing that rights the ship of state from that perilous course is exactly the rule of law.

The concept that we are a nation of laws; that the laws are supreme, not some particular skin color or nation of birth, or any other arbitrary circumstance.
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under the rule "of" law, no one is above the law, not even the government. The core of "rule of law" is an autonomous legal order. Under rule of law, the authority of law does not depend so much on law's instrumental capabilities, but on its degree of autonomy, that is, the degree to which law is distinct and separate from other normative structures such as politics and religion. As an autonomous legal order, rule of law has at least three meanings. First, rule of law is a regulator of government power. Second, rule of law means equality before law. Third, rule of law means procedural and formal justice
It is this "longstanding respect for the rule of law" that I speak of. Without it, where could corrections come from, like this:
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On September 27, 1992, the Amendment of the Civil Liberties Act of 1988, appropriating an additional $400 million in order to ensure that all remaining internees received their $20,000 redress payments, was signed into law by President George H. W. Bush, who also issued another formal apology from the U.S. government.
The internment of the Japanese during WWII was legal. It was made so by Executive Order. The actions you suggest also are legal, covered by the PATRIOT Act. Years later, it has been decided that the internment was wrong. It will probably take years for the same conclusion to be reached about the actions justified by the PATRIOT Act. But you're hearing it from me, and a growing number of citizens, early.

DanaC 04-09-2007 07:21 PM

Well put bigv

TheMercenary 04-09-2007 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by duck_duck (Post 332367)
You called me stupid because I have opinions you don't like. Now you are implying I can't possibly be serious because you do not like my opinions. So that is one blatant insult fallowed by another you try to cleverly hide.
Looks like you just blew your reputation.

Duck Duck, get use to it, that is a fairly typical response on here. Stay the course.

duck_duck 04-09-2007 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 332387)
Duck Duck, get use to it, that is a fairly typical response on here. Stay the course.

Nah, with the exception of the occasional dumb question, I think I will avoid political discussions from now on. I didn't join this site to be called stupid, I get that often enough at school.


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