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Kitsune 10-30-2007 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 400919)
The only right road against undemocracy is to win against it.

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"Me fail English? That's unpossible!"

So, if the US once ruled waterboarding a war crime once upon time, is it now no longer considered that because we're the people administering it or is 1947 too "pre-9/11" to understand?

Happy Monkey 10-30-2007 04:12 PM

More waterboarding history.

TheMercenary 10-30-2007 04:15 PM

Wonder if it would help make illegal's in the US go home?

lookout123 10-30-2007 05:02 PM

no, but i bet if you put a bullet in the skull of 1/3 illegals caught coming across and let the word get out, they'd quit coming.

bluecuracao 10-30-2007 06:10 PM

Probably more than that get killed, maimed, or raped trying to get here as it is, so I bet you're wrong.

lookout123 10-30-2007 06:33 PM

i think you exaggerate a bit, but let's pretend you are correct. you are saying that the illegals who make it this far only represent 2/3 of those that started the journey. ok. so if we take 1/3 that make it this far and put one in the back of the head that leaves only 43% of those that started the journey. Then you put an appropriate punishment in place for employers caught with illegal employees (such as the law recently passed in arizona). So now you have only a 43% chance of surviving your journey and will have a hard time finding a job once you arrive... my guess is you'd see a reduction in traffic.

bluecuracao 10-30-2007 07:01 PM

Since you think I'm exaggerating, you might want to watch this film sometime:

http://www.amnestyusa.org/filmfest/slc/11032005.html

TheMercenary 10-30-2007 07:05 PM

AmnestyUSA... now there's a credible source. Not.

lookout123 10-30-2007 07:06 PM

i live not too far from the border and deal with illegals frequently. i'll listen to the first hand accounts rather than an agenda based documentary.

TheMercenary 10-30-2007 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 401683)
no, but i bet if you put a bullet in the skull of 1/3 illegals caught coming across and let the word get out, they'd quit coming.

Random land mines would be much more effective. The Coyotes always lead. From what I have read one of those big fires in Southern Calf. exposed all their cover and it is going to be a lot harder to cross now. Maybe they need to have a few more controlled border fires.

bluecuracao 10-30-2007 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 401799)
AmnestyUSA... now there's a credible source. Not.

Um, you can find the movie--"Wetback"--on imdb.com and amazon as well.

TheMercenary 10-30-2007 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bluecuracao (Post 401804)
Um, you can find the movie--"Wetback"--on imdb.com and amazon as well.

I can also find Mr. Magoo and Free Willy.

bluecuracao 10-30-2007 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 401800)
i live not too far from the border and deal with illegals frequently. i'll listen to the first hand accounts rather than an agenda based documentary.

Srsly--you should check it out, and then make your judgment. It won't kill you, I promise.

bluecuracao 10-30-2007 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 401806)
I can also find Mr. Magoo and Free Willy.

That's nice, but they're not relevant to the topic at hand, are they.

Aliantha 10-30-2007 07:16 PM

Just because it's on the AI site does not mean anything other than AI endorses the film.

It's a documentary made by an independant production company. Unlike Mr Magoo and Free Willy of course.


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