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HungLikeJesus 10-31-2008 11:56 AM

TheMercenary, I think all those things are going to happen regardless of the outcome of the election - in fact, they're already happening.

TheMercenary 10-31-2008 11:57 AM

"The results of the searches were not publicly released and remain confidential, she wrote."

Really? So how did that info make it to the press???? Hmmmmm. How is that we are talking about those details now????? Hmmmmm. Seems like someone on the inside with an axe to grid got the info out to all of us so we could talk about it.

TheMercenary 10-31-2008 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 499570)
TheMercenary, I think all those things are going to happen regardless of the outcome of the election - in fact, they're already happening.

You may be right. When I read the reports of what AGI and many of the banks are doing with the Bail Out Cash it makes me think they are still not being appropriately regulated.

classicman 10-31-2008 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Shawnee123 View Post
I could write your posts before you do. I'm more inclined to actually listen to Merc, because he does tend to say more than "look at how you suck...your posts suck, hey everyone can I get some validation that t-dub sucks because I am like a little dog in the tall grass always jumping up to see what everyone else is doing."

Oh sorry - didn't read this as I still have you on ignore ad you and I agreed to do not too long ago. I stuck by it. Guess you didn't. Anyway...

Yeh thats pretty funny, comparing me to the little dog jumping up for attention. Hmm, I'm not half the attention whore you are deary. Please put me back on ignore like we agreed. kthxbai.

Shawnee123 10-31-2008 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 499582)
Originally Posted by Shawnee123 View Post
I could write your posts before you do. I'm more inclined to actually listen to Merc, because he does tend to say more than "look at how you suck...your posts suck, hey everyone can I get some validation that t-dub sucks because I am like a little dog in the tall grass always jumping up to see what everyone else is doing."

Oh sorry - didn't read this as I still have you on ignore ad you and I agreed to do not too long ago. I stuck by it. Guess you didn't. Anyway...

Yeh thats pretty funny, comparing me to the little dog jumping up for attention. Hmm, I'm not half the attention whore you are deary. Please put me back on ignore like we agreed. kthxbai.


Bwaaahaaahaaa...you weren't ignoring. HA. I knowed it!

Oh, I am an attention whore. That isn't what I was saying about you, deerie: I was saying you are a namby pamby little man who wouldn't take a poo if you weren't completely sure at least one other person on earth poos as well. :urinal: I guess your poor reading skills are why you have been asking since April "oh dear me, who should I vote for, what should I do? Where are my smelling salts?"


kthxbai!!!!!!!! :grinnylov

Shawnee123 10-31-2008 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 499546)
It really bothers you that people agree on something you and others may disagree on. It's not that big of a deal. This is just a conversation. I mean you don't have to join in it if you don't want to, I would rather you did join the conversation. But if you don't understand the subject you don't need to join it if you choose not to, I don't think anyone is going to think less of you. I don't fully understand it all either, but I am trying. And the more I educate myself the more I realize if Obamy gets elected this country may get something they didn't bargin for in the long run. Hey I am good for it. Be careful what you wish for. I think post election we are going to go through some serious economic hardships, significant lay offs, corprate flight, followed by more lay offs, and more people who can't pay the bills or feed their families. Hey that's just me MHO. Good luck.

Thanks Merc, for the thoughtful response. Yes, I am having fun and being evil at you and (mostly) c-man's expense, but my prob with him came about a long time ago.

I don't agree with you, but when have I EVER been able to bring about points that I might have without you and (mostly) Robin chiming in to tell me I'm stupid. And by ME I mean anyone who has hope that Obama is the real deal.

I truly hope that whomever is elected gives our country some hope. I did not vote for the last 8 years of stupidity, and I didn't even vote for "my" congressman. I have hope in Obama. I could be way wrong. Don't you think that I wonder sometimes how I will feel if I am completely wrong and we get f*cked even more? As much as I feel that McCain, and by extension Palin, are wrong for our country, I haven't said the shitty things I've heard from you and Tonto's mouths.

So I'm glad we can agree to disagree Merc. I think both our hearts might be in the right place. :)

TheMercenary 10-31-2008 12:34 PM

I am not telling you that you are stupid. I am just having an exchange of ideas to maybe get you to understand where I am coming from in my thinking. I did not vote for Obama or McCain. But I voted. I don't want to see any group suffer. I just think that people are being sold a bill of goods that will be impossible for Obama to deliver on. I will be around to remind him and his supporters of the difference between what you were told you were promised and what you got in it's place.

Shawnee123 10-31-2008 12:37 PM

I think every president since the beginning has sold a bill of goods they can't ALWAYS NECESSARILY deliver, at least the ones who had to campaign. Remember "read my lips...blah blah blah"?

They deliver what they can, what they can get through congress or whatever, but they have always and will always present it as "this is what I'm gonna do." THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. And I, at least, vote for the one whose IDEAS most closely match the things I find important. THAT'S WHAT WE DO.

Can I have an itemized list of any of the past 10 president's "campaign" promises and how many of those promises actually came to fruition?

Obama is no different, just because you don't like him. I seriously hope you don't point for 4 years, because then I will have to ignore you. ;)

glatt 10-31-2008 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 499600)
Obama is no different, just because you don't like him. I seriously hope you don't point for 4 years, because then I will have to ignore you. ;)

He hasn't won yet, and the Democrats have a long record of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just sayin'...

Pico and ME 10-31-2008 12:44 PM

Personally, I think the election is going to be given to Obama because this country will go ballistic if it has to deal with another four years of the last 8 years worth of republican crap. O'bama is really going to be nothing more than a panacea for the really bad ill will that has been brewing in the voting public.

TheMercenary 10-31-2008 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 499600)
I think every president since the beginning has sold a bill of goods they can't ALWAYS NECESSARILY deliver, at least the ones who had to campaign. Remember "read my lips...blah blah blah"?

They deliver what they can, what they can get through congress or whatever, but they have always and will always present it as "this is what I'm gonna do." THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. And I, at least, vote for the one whose IDEAS most closely match the things I find important. THAT'S WHAT WE DO.

Can I have an itemized list of any of the past 10 president's "campaign" promises and how many of those promises actually came to fruition?

Obama is no different, just because you don't like him. I seriously hope you don't point for 4 years, because then I will have to ignore you. ;)

Certainly you must feel that this is different and the media circus and supposed aura around this guy is different? It is like how people swooned over the Beatles in the 60's, a rock star mentality that makes people stop thinking with their heads.

Clodfobble 10-31-2008 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Mercenary
"The results of the searches were not publicly released and remain confidential, she wrote."

Really? So how did that info make it to the press???? Hmmmmm. How is that we are talking about those details now????? Hmmmmm. Seems like someone on the inside with an axe to grid got the info out to all of us so we could talk about it.

How did what info make it into the press? The fact that they did the searches? The results of the searches are still private. We choose to assume he hasn't broken the law because they haven't brought any charges on him, and he says that he has no child support to pay and has never received welfare. He made that part public.

TheMercenary 10-31-2008 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 499607)
How did what info make it into the press? The fact that they did the searches? The results of the searches are still private. We choose to assume he hasn't broken the law because they haven't brought any charges on him, and he says that he has no child support to pay and has never received welfare. He made that part public.

Info that he even owed child support. That he even owed back taxes. That only came out after someone did a search and put it in the press. That is the reason that an investigation was started in the first place to see how that info made it to the press and who did the searches. The only thing that may have been protected to this point is PID, ssn, ex-wife's name and address, etc.

Shawnee123 10-31-2008 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 499605)
Certainly you must feel that this is different and the media circus and supposed aura around this guy is different? It is like how people swooned over the Beatles in the 60's, a rock star mentality that makes people stop thinking with their heads.

And there you go again. Why do you not only assume that Obama supporters are mindless sheep, you damn near assert it?

I am not stupid. I read. I listen. I make up my own mind. I find it extremely insulting that you imply I'm an idiot. It isn't about his supposed aura. But we have gotten to the gist of every post you have made in regards to this election: you are bound and determined to enlighten us who are blind, to steer those of us with no wheel, and deliver us from our mindless following of a cult leader.

I thought you just really had strong opinions. I see now you think I'm stupid in comparison to you and yours.

Thanks though, I'll live in my fog, if that's what you think it is. I don't think it's a fog, however. I may not have 47000 college degrees, rkz (oh, sorry) but I have an education, and I assure you I'm no mindless fool nor am I one to follow a crowd, unless that crowd is right, in my (informed and aware) eyes.

Shawnee123 10-31-2008 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 499602)
He hasn't won yet, and the Democrats have a long record of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just sayin'...

And by snatching you mean stealing, right?


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