So, because your example is not representative, that makes Undertoad's example also not representative?

You serious?

First, the New York Times is a newspaper whose trying to make money over forcing a political point. They may have a slant, which ironically isn't convincing Americans that Arab culture is different than ours, but they mainly post articles that will get readers attention. That is an article that will get peoples attention.

You are trying to make a point. You are trying to convince people on this forum that Arab culture is fundamentally different than Western culture. The New York Times isn't.

Second, it was you who posted the article on this forum, not the New York Times.


So no, I still agree that the two cultures are fundamentally different but I think you are taking it to the extreme. Have you never heard of 21 year old American soldiers who say the want to die fighting for their country? Do you realize that the militant's view is not the majority? Even the New York Times names the title of the article "Fighter Sees His Paradise in Gaza’s Pain", which first names the fighter as singular and then Gaza, the majority, as in pain, not happy.

I would think the article's title separates the soldier from the civilian population, not the rest of the soldiers, or the leadership.

The news source where Undertoad got his example from makes the point that fighter isn't representative of the majority. Do you honestly think that the majority of Gazans are happy they are being killed?

I forget the name of the term, but don't fall into the trap thinking that everyone in a different culture thinks the same. Their views are just as diverse as us, also leaving room for complete psychos like the one that Undertoad posted.

Then why the fuck is Undertoad posting articles how Arab culture is fundamentally different than ours. Then also, why didn't Undertoad point that out for himself. Keep in mind, Hamas makes up less than 1% of the Gazan population.

Edit- My fault, the guy wasn't Hamas.

You're making the wrong (illogical) differentiations. Nobody thinks, or has suggested that. Stop and think for a minute.

You've lost the plot. I'm out.

Rather curious that America - that once could understand and communicate with different cultures all over the world - suddenly has a problem only during part of the past decade.

Let's see. Turkey was one of the nations described by UT’s article. And Turkey (before George Jr) had a 90 something percent approval rating of America. In NATO, Turkey and American had some of the strongest friendships. Funny how their culture was so different that Turkey ended up being one of America's closest friends.

And then wackos came to power. Suddenly the 90+% approval rating dropped to something below 10%. Clearly there were too many cultural differences. Maybe Turks can only understand nations lead by leaders not supported by TheMercenary? Ahhh but I jest ... using reality.

Damm, you left out a reference to Rush Limberger and wacko extremists! You're slipping Ted. :lol2:

You mean I forgot to mention your IQ again? No wonder you would love to like George Jr's dic. Oh. Profanity? Just trying to make TheMercenary feel more at home.

You forgot Bin Laden and Rush.

You regurgitate what they tell you to say everyday. How could I forget them - or your wife that you are trying to sell in another thread - you turd.

When do you get an original thought other than to attack others? Welcome to the Cellar that TheMercenary works so hard to create.

That's quite enough, Thomas.

No UT it is not enough. We when through this exact same thing with classicman months ago. Apparently you (or someone else) gave him some very strong words about doing personal attacks. He stopped. The cellar returned to honest discussions. And now both he and TheMercenary are doing it again to multiple posters.

I only posted like TheMercenary for one day. Did that shock finally get your attention? He has been doing it for months. You only respond because my tone has changed sharply? That tone is acceptable because TheMercenary does it routinely? You banned others (ie April) for much less. Routine personal attacks are acceptable from TheMercenary UG and others? But being a teenage girl probably begging for help is not? Expect me to post attacks as the wacko extremist have been doing for years. TheMercenary says he whores out his wife (as he posted elsewhere). But the dripping gonerhea he got is now routinely in his posts. Its only acceptable from him?

Meanwhile, the wacko extremists only increased their personal attacks. That is acceptable because it is them? No. That means personal attacks are now a new Cellar standard.

I stop when the problem is solved as I did with classicman many months ago. You want me to stop. Then you next attack the problem - the personal attacks by the wacko extremists on other Cellar contributors.

Don't drag me into your squabble with another poster. Do not lump me in with another poster and try to act like YOU are the victim. No one, not UT nor Bruce nor Wolf, NO ONE said a damn thing to me.

And don't you dare think that for a friggin second I will not keep calling you out when you make claims as fact that are completely unsubstantiated. I have not personally attacked you at all, in months because its what I alone chose to do. You are not worth dragging me down into your petty BS as a diversionary tactic when you are called out to cite or back up your claims. You have been called out recently about your claims again and coincidentally you start this crap again. Curious.