Flu shots?
 

http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/11/17....ap/index.html

So who's getting one? Anyone get them every year?

How about for the kids - who thinks vaccinations are great and who's a quack conspiracy theorist?

Already got one, they were free at work so why not?

Without shots I tend to get flu at least 3 times during the winter and miss at least 2 days of work. In the end I just saw no reason NOT to get a flu shot and some possible benifits from it.

I'm stupid and don't get them. I probably should.

Generally I don't do the flu shot thing (it's an aversion to needles) and I rarely catch the flu. I will catch the common colds that float around, but they're not preventable (for the most part).

But this year, with my mother doing intensive chemotherapy treatments and my being her primary caregiver, I'm seriously considering it, although I won't be doing the fluvent nasal treatment (because it is a live viral treatment), but instead do the stand by prick you in the arm flu shot of attenuated flu virus.

My biggest concern is the possibility that I'll be contagous for a few days afterwards. Mom was recently released from the hospital after a 7 day bout with Neutropenic Sepsis, and has a 'touchy' immune system at best at the moment. I'm not sure if it's worth the risk to her.

Wow, you would get flu 3 times in one season? That must suck. Is your immune system suppressed or comprimised for some reason?

I avoid the flu by not interacting with other humans.

Actually I seem to get it when I'm really stressed out, stress for me really seems to kill my immune system. I can pretty much tell when I'm feeling stressed out enough that I'll get sick from something or other on the next week. The reason it's the flu is probably due to the number of people I see at work, college or on the train ride. There is always somebody sick with something around me.

Overall I know my immune system is alright but it's not some titanium shield. I used to have a lot of problems back in Russia with the flu, ear infections, stomach infections etc. The list goes on. The suggested treatment of the doctors was to stuff me full of antibiotics which really messed with my digestive system screwing me up further...

I don't see flu 3 times a season as terrible, I generaly recover in 3 days and only feel horrible 1 day. Plus I've never suffered from anything but the flu since I left Russia.

Stupid question then, but how do you know it's flu (which has symptoms generally lasting 7-10 days (fever >101F 3-4 days) with possible fatigue lasting 2-3 weeks)?

He doesn't, and he's a fucking liar?

Just a guess.

Or he's getting the flu shot to battle the common cold....

BLECCCCCCCCHHHHHHHH! NEVER!

And I haven't gotten the flu in years.

Seems like the vaccine is only a guess anyway. I don't see why they can't just snuff out the flu altogether. Doesn't it come from a specific region in China (not unlike SARS)?

And, FnF, I didn't think you could get the flu three times. Is that not how the vaccine works - you "get" the flu (even tho not really - just through dead viruses) and thus build up an immunity? Unless there are three diff flus each season, you're getting the flu and then two other things.

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I never get sick until Spring comes around. So I'm ok.

From what I remember during a tour of Wyeth (During an interview long ago and far away) they do statistical studies of flu cases and try to determine the likelihood of certain strains getting to the US (or whatever region they're producing for) during that year's flu season.

This year's flu vaccine recipe was determined last year and put together this past spring. It's a pot shot, but for the most part, it seems to work.

And as always, this is not 'fact', just memory from a degree I got 10 years ago.

Dagney

I've never gotten a shot and I don't ever get the flu. Now that I've said that, I've probably jinxed myself. Maybe "jinx" is trying to jinx us all. :D

I would genuinely love to avoid the flu in the same way, but this is not a valid option for me at this time.

I get the flu shot because I basically get exposed to everything. One of the big drawbacks of working in the hospital.

It seems to work, because in 10 years, the only sick days I've really taken were related to a broken toe (personal clumsiness), a broken hand (patient attack 1 year ago this week), and gall bladder removal.

didn't some news show just state that they think they missed the mark this year, and probably don't have the right virus in this year's shot? and then still reccomend that we get them? please.

just wash your hands a lot

I may try the nasal vaccine in the future, as I apparently have an allergy to one of the antibodies in the shot. Got one two years ago, started feeling all hot and cold, mouth tasted like aluminum, and my heart was racing. Damn, that was scary.

Got a free one at work. I too, cant avoid humans and tend to interact a lot with the small, nose-pickin', sticky ones.

Just got a free one at work today. Felt a little flush and nauseous a few hours later. I only keep aspirin in my desk and after reading the warning about the of Guillain-Barré syndrome as a remote possibility, I borrowed some acetomenaphin from a co-worker.

I remembered that aspirin and GB had been linked when taken for some diseases.

Got a monthly bulletin from my Health Care Provider that said *every* influenza originated in Chinese livestock.:(

Guess you're gonna have to give up that tryst with the milker from Nanking, then, eh Bruce?

There once was a milker from Nanking...

I can't resist
 

Who liked to pull on his thing...

NEXT!

one day in the cellar
with sarah michelle gellar



ok someone finish it

left her face enameled and dripping.

I must have mis-read this thread title. I thought it said *flu* shots...

There once was a milker from Nanking...
Who liked to pull on his thing...
one day in the cellar
with sarah michelle gellar
he left her face enameled and dripping.

elspode is my hero

I'd rather give the, Flu a shot.:p

I have had exactly one flu shot in my entire life. I initiated a flu shot program for one of my previous employers, and I decided to get one myself as the prognostication for influenza was rather high that year.

Two days after getting the shot, I came down with the worst case of the flu I've ever had, and was off work for a solid week.

I'm not saying the shot caused the flu, but it was damn strange.

I"M saying the shot caused the flu.....c'mon. don't get me started about vaccines....I think i'll get jinx fired up and start a thread about vaccines......look in home base

Can't make me:p :p

"Flu Shots"
 

Hey check this out News.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3246619.stm
Just in case any one's coming to the UK for Xmas.

Since this hit the press there was just a slight increase for Flu Shots.

Haven't got flu shot in...I don't know how long. I'd say at least 3 years, maybe longer than that. I've been pretty lucky (knock wood), but my doctors keep reminding me to get a shot (important, they say, for diabetics and renal failure patients).

SHOULD YOU GET THE FLU SHOT?
By Dr Sherri Tenpenny
www.nmaseminars.com

News reports have been flooding us with articles warning that the impending
flu season may be the worst in years. Even though it is difficult to
separate the facts from the hype, a close evaluation of the flu vaccine
will reveal that serious questions must be raised about the recommendations
that are routinely touted, namely high efficacy with little risk. Anyone
considering a flu shot should become informed about the substances coming
through that needle, and should be determined to investigate the safety and
efficacy issues that are still unresolved.

The vaccine virus
Each year, a new vaccine is developed that contains three different viruses
(one influenza B and two influenza A strains). CDC officials select the new
viruses based on which viruses were prevalent during the flu season in
China and Australia the previous year. The CDC admits that the viruses
selected for the new vaccine are chosen on the basis of an “educated
guess.” [i]

What’s in a flu shot?
The influenza virus is grown in “specific pathogen-free” (SPF) eggs. Eggs
are tested for a variety of agents—usually between 23 and 31—to confirm the
absence of those specific pathogens. Laboratories limit the number of
agents that are screened due to the shear abundance of potential viruses
and/or bacteria to choose from. In addition, screening for every potential
agent would be cost prohibitive.[ii] If none of the tested agents are
detected, the vaccine is reported as “pathogen free.”

However, it should be understood that there is a distinct difference
between “pathogen free” and “specific pathogen-free.” In its July 1996
report, the Institute of Medicine acknowledged that “although it is not
possible to produce a completely uncontaminated animal, it is possible to
produce an animal [or egg] certified to be free of specific
pathogens.”[iii] Viruses that are harmless to their animal host, however,
may be potentially harmful to humans.

During the manufacturing process, antibiotics (neomycin, polymyxin B and
gentamicin) are added to eliminate stray bacteria found in the mixture. The
final solution can contain the following additives in any combination:
Triton X-100 (a detergent); polysorbate 80 (a potential carcinogen);
gelatin; formaldehyde; and residual egg proteins. In addition, many of the
influenza vaccines still contain thimerosal as a preservative. Thimerosal
(mercury) is being investigated for its link to brain injury and autoimmune
disease.

Does the flu shot protect?
There are no guarantees that the influenza viruses selected for the vaccine
will be the identical strains circulating during a given flu season. In
fact, it has recently been announced that this year's flu vaccine does not
include the strain that is being reported by doctors in the community
called the “A Fujian” strain. Outbreaks have been reported in Texas,
Colorado and elsewhere[iv] that involve strains that do not match the
current flu vaccine. CDC tests have confirmed that more than 80 per cent of
the 55 strains of influenza virus isolated thus far are the A Fujian
strain. Even so, the CDC still maintains that the current vaccine could
provide cross-protection against the new variant, but the fact is, no one
knows for sure.

Moreover, the majority of illnesses characterized by fever, fatigue, cough
and aching muscles are not caused by the influenza virus. Non-influenza
viruses (e.g., rhinoviruses respiratory syncytial virus [RSV],
adenoviruses, and parainfluenza viruses) can cause symptoms referred to
influenza-like illnesses (ILI). Certain bacteria, such as Legionella spp.,
Chlamydia pneumoniae, Mycoplasma pneumoniae, and Streptococcus pneumoniae,
have been documented as the causes of ILI.[v]

Notably, these microbes are not part of the flu vaccine. Unless an
organism’s antigen is contained within the vaccine, there is no protection
conferred by the vaccine. It is estimated that most adults will average 1-3
episodes of ILI, and most children will average 3-6 episodes. The CDC also
admits that “many persons who have been vaccinated against influenza can
still get the flu”[vi]

Targeting the elderly
The flu vaccine is generally recommended for persons aged 65 and older, and
those with medical conditions who could experience serious complications
from the flu. Medical journals report broad differences in effectiveness
for the elderly, ranging from 0 to 85%.
The CDC states that 90% of deaths from influenza occur among the elderly.
Considering that nearly 65% of all deaths (from any cause) occur in this
age group, it is nearly impossible to prove that flu shots significantly
increase life expectancy in this group. The truth is that most people—young
and old—will weather a bout of the flu without hospitalization or
complications.

A serious concern: Alzheimer’s Disesase
Hugh Fudenberg, MD, an immunogeneticist and biologist with nearly 850
papers published in peer review journals, has reported that if an
individual had five consecutive flu shots between 1970 and 1980 (the years
studied), his/her chances of getting Alzheimer's Disease is ten times
higher than if they had zero, one, or two shots.[vii]

Dr. Boyd Haley, Professor and Chair of the Department of Chemistry at the
University of Kentucky, Lexington has done extensive research in the area
of mercury toxicity and the brain. Haley’s research has established a
likely connection between mercury toxicity and Alzheimer’s disease. [viii]
In a paper published in collaboration with researchers at University of
Calgary, Haley stated that “seven of the characteristic markers that we
look for to distinguish Alzheimer's disease can be produced in normal brain
tissues, or cultures of neurons, by the addition of extremely low levels of
mercury.”[ix]

Does this prove that the mercury contained in the influenza shot can be
directly linked to Alzheimer’s? No, absolutely not. But further research in
this area is critically needed because the absence of proof is not the
“proof of absence.”[x]

Flu vaccine now for children
The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) adopted a
resolution effective March 1, 2003 that expanded the use of the influenza
vaccine to include children aged 6-23 months. The recommendations also
included vaccinating those aged 2 to 18 years who live in households
containing children younger than 2 years of age.[xi]

The flu vaccine most commonly given to children is Fluzone>, a trivalent
vaccine grown in chicken eggs. Harvested with formaldehyde and containing
the recommended ratio of 15 ug of each of the three prototype viral
strains, each dose of Fluzone> also contains 25 ug of mercury.[xii] The new
CDC recommendations include giving the influenza vaccine to children
beginning at six months of age and then annually, for the rest of their
lives. Children less than age 9 receiving their first flu shot, two doses
of vaccine are recommended, with a minimum interval of one month between
the two doses. However, the CDC does not provide a direct reference to
substantiate this recommendation.[xiii]

On June 17, 2003, the FDA approved an intranasal influenza vaccine for use
in healthy persons aged 5–49 years. Flumist> is a live-virus vaccine that
can cause a litany of problems. (for further information on FluMist)

Alternatives?
If you choose not to receive the flu shot, have a discussion with your
doctor regarding other options. However, some simple and possibly quite
effective things you can do for yourself to prevent the flu include: 1)
avoid white sugar;[xiv] 2) exercise regularly; 3) get adequate sleep; 4)
eat a healthy diet, omitting trans-fats; 5) drink plenty of purified water
daily and 6) wash your hands. A common way people contract viral illnesses
is by rubbing their nose or their eyes after their hands have been
contaminated with a virus. The CDC states, “the most important thing you
can do to keep from getting sick is to wash your hands.”[xv]

We are so used to taking medications—for prevention and treatment—that it
is difficult to comprehend that these modest recommendations are really the
most powerful ways to minimize the likelihood of getting the flu.

Making the decision
You may decide to consult a physician who is schooled in alternative
medicine to assess a variety of options for you and your family. What is
most important, in the end, is to become as informed as possible regarding
your options for keeping healthy and avoiding the flu.

Sorry these didn't fit i the last message:

REFERENCES
[i] Sabin, Russel and Reynolds. Breakdowns Mar Flu Shot Program Production,
distribution delays raise fears of nation vulnerable to epidemic. San
Francisco Chronicle. Feb. 25, 2001
[ii] Charles River Laboratories, A Laboratory Animal Health Monitoring
Program: Rationale and Development,' (Winter 1990); Source: Internet address
[iii] Institute of Medicine Press Release: Federal Guidelines Needed to
Ensure Safety in Animal-to-Human Organ Transplants. July 17, 1996.
[iv]CBS: The Associated Press. CDC Says Flu Season Is Going Strong in Parts
of U.S., Vaccine Doesn't Match Strain Doctors See.
[v] MMWR. November 9, 2001 / 50(44);984-6
[vi] MMWR Nov. 9, 2001/50(44); 984-6
[vii] Hugh Fudenberg, MD, is Founder and Director of Research, Neurolmmuno
Therapeutic Research Foundation. Information from Dr. Hugh Fudenberg came
from transcribed notes of Dr. Fudenberg's speech at the NVIC International
Vaccine Conference, Arlington, VA September, 1997. Quoted with permission.
[viii] The Relationship of Toxic Effects of Mercury to Exacerbation of the
Medical Condition Classified as Alzheimer’s Disease by Boyd E. Haley, PhD.
[ix] NeuroReport, 12(4):733-737, 2001
[x] http://www.testfoundation.org/
[xi] MMWR. 2002;51[RR-3]:1-31
[xii] Package insert. Influenza Virus VaccineFluzone® 2003 – 2004 Formula
[xiii] MMWR. 2002: 51 [RR-3], pg. 19
[xiv] All forms of refined sugar depress white blood cells' ability to
destroy bacteria. See Sanchez A, et al. Role of sugars in human
neutrophilic phagocytosis. Am J Clin Nutr 1973;26:1180.
[xv]CDC—Handwashing: An ounce of prevention keeps the germs away.
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FDA denies knowing of Chiron suspension.

I got a flu shot once. Two days later, I swear to the Gods that I got the worst case of the flu I've ever had.

I know they say it doesn't happen, but it sure happened to me big time. Heck of a coincidence.

American drug companies say that the domestic cost of drugs must be double and sometimes as much as quadruple the price of Canada so that we have better quality drugs. But look where the drugs are made - Ireland and in this case Britian. Chiron is not subject to direct American inspections when flu shots are made overseas. So it is better to get your flu shos and drugs in Canada where the same drugs are cheaper? No says George Jr who just passed laws making it illegal to get perscriptions fill in Canada. Canada, he says, does not have sufficient quality drugs. Explain Chiron and Viagra - made overseas and not subject to direct FDA inspections.

Another question is how long these Chiron vaccinations have been contaminated.

American companies like Wyeth and Merk (where Dr. Offit works) don't have such hot safety records either;

I didn't realize this was a resurrection of an old thread so I read through from the beginning. I got a good chuckle out of it. Els. Look at your post #29 in this thread posted last November and #37 from yesterday. Must have been a really nasty flu to stick out in your mind like that.

Holy hell, did I just go through the worst "mini-flu" I've ever had. Its systematically spreading quickly in my area and is affecting everyone, but it only knocks most people out for about 30 hours, total. I had a fever set in that topped out at 103.5F (!) and stayed there for around five hours. In terms of aches and pains, I felt like someone had thrown me to the ground and kicked every inch of my body -- getting out of bed wasn't possible. I haven't had an illness that disabling in quite a number of years.

Still, one day of that was better than the three days of crappy-feeling I get from a usual flu shot.

I am a healthcare worker.

Healthcare workers are on the CDC's "priority" list for receiving flu shots during this year's shortage.

The county health department is refusing to release doses to our hospital's infection control nurse.

The suggestion has been offered that we head down to one of the drug stores that's giving out shots for $20 each (the ones that are having the riots over people cutting in line), getting it there, and making sure we bring a receipt back to work so we can be reimbursed.

I have been advised to avoid the offers of "FluMist" like the plague that it is ... live flu virus is involved, so you do get sick from the administration.

Almost a year ago...I'd totally forgotten! Yeah, it was nasty. The worst ever, seriously.

I've had two shots years apart. Both times I got deathly ill. People say 'oh that means you already were getting it' Or "the flu was already in there". yadda yadda....


As far as I am concerned those germs can just stay asleep in there. I'd rather take my chances with my bodys filtration of germs or what not rather than to inject myself with 'who knows what' and get sicker than I ever get otherwise.

My suggestion is no body should get a flu vaccine. I am not so sure a vaccine didn't cause my kids autism either. I guess I am a 'closet quack conspiracy theorist'

Well that was sure some resurrection...

Guess she was bored....

Just pray no one takes her seriously, don't get me started on it causing autism, but there's a reason people take them and it has nothing to do with conspiracy theory. If you are a healthy adult then you shouldn't get one, it's for people with compromised immune systems (very young, very old, sickly).

Call me paranoid.. I just don't like the idea of ling up with everyone else to get injected because we're told to. I've seen too many movies I guess. When the bad guys take over, blamo.. the very young and the very old are wiped out. I'd rather risk the flu

:whofart: ooooookkkkkkaaaayyyyy....you do that then, no one's stopping you

mmmmm.....

is there a doctor in the house? (actually . there are probally many... I've always felt The Cellar was way overqualified for a simple bulletin board)...but
here Im talkin' MD's.......

my local GP practise has called me up for the 'flu jab... should I go be pricked or no?

I know, I know.. I've seen too many conspiracy movies. No need for sarcasm 9th. Most of the healthy adults I know get annual flu shots and I just think people should think about it first and not automatically roll up their sleeves because someone says to. If you decide you need one, go get one, but make an educated decision not a lemming jump.

Sorry, I've actually encountered people who truly thought that flu shots and immunizations were just a conspiracy to boost health care 'profits' though.

I asked the nurse at work about flu shots...she's totally for them. I am wary. She says it just builds your immunity year after year. I think we are making the flu strains that do survive stronger. I asked her how the bird flu was coming along ( I still think it's the same thing as Killer Bees) and it sounds like it's "still on its way" yet the current flu shot does not protect against it. They can't possibly cover all strains. I don't see the point.

I'm with 9th on this aspect: the very old, the sick. I never get one.

I get one every year because of my doctor. I would rather get a prick than end up with pneumonia. (I have asthma) The funny thing is that I have never had the flu. When I was younger, I remember taking care of my mother while she was in bed with the flu after school and I still never got it.

Not afraid of the shot...just don't think it's necessary for me (I'm used to "pricks".) :p

I had no idea flu shots covered pneumonia!

They don't but asthmatics are more likely to have the virus settle in their lungs, then onto the hospital for breathing treatments (happened to my mom once or twice)

There is actually a shot specifically for pneumonia. I think it lasts like 10 years or something. Another one my doctor made me get

I see. I have a buddy with asthma...it sends him to the hospital every year or so. Scary stuff.

Keep yourself well! :)

I try, thanks :D

You know, I actually described what an asthma attack felt like to a friend, not thinking it too big a deal. I mean it sucks and you have to be careful, but the look of horror on her face was like I was talking about cutting off my own arm. I guess I am so used to it between my mother and me that if it isn't happening, no big deal. I only worry when it is happening, ya know?

I can't imagine not being able to breathe like that. You must also have to be able to control the panicky feeling, probably something you learned very early on.

Thanks for teaching me something today! :)

hey, don't be a jerk. Is it too much to ask if you would address a point directly instead of talking ABOUT it as if a person wasn't there.

That goes for Jay too.

ASK ME ..... if I believe kids should be given vaccines and my answer would be yes.