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classicman 02-01-2012 01:59 PM

Chain email ...
 
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I received this email today from a relative with a bad habit of regurgitating a lot of bogus crap. . .

Here is the email:

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Denmark is a big shame.

The sea is stained in red and it is not because of the climate effects of nature. It's because of the cruelty of the human beings (civilized human) who kill hundreds of the famous and intelligent Calderon dolphins.

This happens every year in Feroe Island in Denmark . In this slaughter the main participants are young teens.

WHY?
A celebration, to show that they are adults and mature!

In this big celebration, nothing is missing for the fun. Everyone is participating in one way or the other, killing or looking at the cruelty supporting like a spectator

Is it necessary to mention that the dolphin Calderon, like all the other species of dolphins, it's near extinction and they get near men to play and interact.
In a way of PURE friendship.

They don't die instantly; they are cut 1, 2 or 3 times with thick hooks. And at that time the dolphins produce a grim cry like that of a new born child.

But he suffers and there's no compassion while this magnificent creature slowly dies in its own blood

Its enough!

We will publish until this post goes around the world that many more people will know about this shameful Danish acts.

Take care of the world, it is your home!

SHARE this messages as a sign Against this cruelty
Seems old, but true ... according to Snopes.


To my surprise, it appears to actually be true.

This is really effed up.

glatt 02-01-2012 03:25 PM

I remember a National Geographic article from my youth that covered this. It was quite striking, all that blood in the water. The article wasn't preachy at all, it was just documenting this tradition.

For what it's worth, they eat the meat. It's a very important food source for them. How do you feel about hunting deer in the US?

wolf 02-01-2012 04:15 PM

Can you imagine those dolphins running rampant, tearing up people lawns, and getting hit by cars all the time?

Culling is an important part of wildlife management.

infinite monkey 02-01-2012 04:18 PM

If only we could apply culling to human management.

DanaC 02-01-2012 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 792269)
I remember a National Geographic article from my youth that covered this. It was quite striking, all that blood in the water. The article wasn't preachy at all, it was just documenting this tradition.

For what it's worth, they eat the meat. It's a very important food source for them. How do you feel about hunting deer in the US?

Depends how good a shot the hunter is really.

What's appalling here, is the number that are killed and the cruel and slow death they suffer.

I'm not sure how happy you all would be if hunters went at the deer with ropes and machetes.

Rhianne 02-01-2012 05:07 PM

No-one seems to give a damn about fish though, perhaps it's because they don't have a cute, smiling face or maybe it's just that they don't make "a grim cry like that of a new born child" while they're being killed.

DanaC 02-01-2012 05:09 PM

The thing that shocked me about fish, was when i found out just how long some of them live. Cod, for instance. That mainstay of Fish&Chip shops throughout my childhood. Some of the fish I ate when I was 10 were probably five or six decades older than I was. Maybe even older than that.

HungLikeJesus 02-01-2012 05:20 PM

That's why it's best to eat them while they're young.

wolf 02-01-2012 05:23 PM

According to the wikipedia information, they actually sever the spinal cord very quickly, the gaff is intended to bring them into the beach. Not that that makes it any better.

Ibby 02-01-2012 05:32 PM

Yes, it's barbaric and cruel and we should all be appalled.

But we should all be appalled at the way the Japanese treat sea life, or how we treat domesticated land animals that we use for food, or at countless other examples of how we treat animals appallingly badly.
Why is this barbaric, but a lot of the rest of them aren't?

classicman 02-01-2012 06:17 PM

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Why is this barbaric, but a lot of the rest of them aren't?
Who said they weren't?

Ibby 02-01-2012 06:33 PM

Okay, rephrasing then:

why is the internet all up in arms about this, but apathetic to the rest of the shit?

classicman 02-01-2012 06:35 PM

These are apparently an endangered species for one.
Kill all the deer you want, there are too effin many of them around here.
Don't really get what you are trying to accomplish.

Ibby 02-01-2012 06:44 PM

Again - look at Japan. They do this, except instead of a couple hundred dolphins by a buncha kids, its thousands and thousands and thousands of endangered fish and sea mammals on an industrial-fishery scale.

Aliantha 02-01-2012 06:49 PM

It's a dog eat dolphin world we live in.

wolf 02-01-2012 06:55 PM

well ... for one thing, they're pilot whales. Dolphins apparently have better press appeal, so they're calling these guys dolphins.

There are over 200,000 of them, and the hunt takes out around 200 or so. Isn't that like 0.1%?

Spexxvet 02-01-2012 06:58 PM

What's the problem with killing all those sharks? Those kids are brave.

Aliantha 02-01-2012 06:59 PM

whale meat is pretty high up on the menu in most of the northern European countries.

I thought they looked like pilot whales, but really couldn't be arsed looking it up.

Aliantha 02-01-2012 07:04 PM

Here's an interesting response to this email:


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The Faroe Islands are not part of Denmark. They have their own parliament.

These are not Calderon Dolphins but Pilot Whales and other cetaceans such as Atlantic White-sided dolphins and Bottle-nosed Whales. In fact, I cannot find anywhere any reference to a Calderon Dolphin species.

In reviewing the figures, the North Atlantic Marine Mammal Commission decided that the percentage of 0.1% of current populations killed was well within sustainable limits.
In fact the number of drives has decreased from a 1709 – 1950 total of 1195 to a 2006 total of 11.

1709! Thats right. This practice has been occuring for 300 years.
Now if indeed this is a cultural practice, think of how long it will take to remove/alter this practice from the islanders lives. And these Faroe Islanders have whale meat and blubber as a staple part of their diets.

I think this is a terrible practice as well – however humans have been rearing and catching and eating meat for thousands of years.

For more information : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling..._Faroe_Islands

Can we compare this to the Taiji Dolphin Massacres?
The well known Sea Shepherd Conservation Society does not mention the Faroe Islands on their site but has extensive information regarding the occurances at the village of Taiji in Southern Japan : http://www.seashepherd.org/dolphins/...-in-taiji.html

Here dolphins are bombared with sound, herded into a bay, covered with nets and killed the next day.
Not only dolphins are herded into the bay, but Pilot Whales as well.

And heres the real kicker : Killing pilot whales violates Japan’s treaty obligations to the International Whaling Commission.

Both practices seem extremely gruesome to a lot of us.
However I believe greater understanding and correctly directed protest is needed – instead of incorrect mail emails.

xoxoxoBruce 02-01-2012 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 792362)
These are apparently an endangered species for one.
Kill all the deer you want, there are too effin many of them around here.
Don't really get what you are trying to accomplish.

They aren't endangered, according to Wiki. Theres something like a half million of the two types, they take a couple thousand in the Faroes and the Japs take less than 500, each year.

Rhianne 02-01-2012 07:42 PM

Pilot whales are dolphins.

Pilot whales are dolphins.

BigV 02-01-2012 07:46 PM

http://earthfirst.com/pilot-whales-b...faroe-islands/

http://marinebio.org/species.asp?id=354

Yeah, not endangered. Those are some gruesome looking pictures I concede. And slaughtering animals is not pretty, wherever it happens, especially in a scale like this and with animals as large as this.

Ibby 02-01-2012 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhianne (Post 792393)
Pilot whales are dolphins.

Yes.

"Pilot whales are among the largest of the oceanic dolphins, exceeded in size only by the killer whale. They and other large members of the dolphin family are also known as blackfish." - via Wiki.

Clodfobble 02-01-2012 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhianne
Pilot whales are dolphins.

I'd say so too. From Wiki:

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Pilot whales are among the largest of the oceanic dolphins, exceeded in size only by the killer whale. They and other large members of the dolphin family are also known as blackfish.
But from the oceanic dolphin wiki page:

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Six of the larger species in the Delphinidae, the Orca and the Pilot, Melon-headed, Pygmy Killer and False Killer Whales, are commonly called whales, rather than dolphins; they are also sometimes collectively known as "blackfish".
But it's a dumb distinction anyway. Animals are animals, it shouldn't factor into the argument over whether (or how) to kill them.



Edit -- Jinx! You owe me a Coke!

monster 02-01-2012 08:27 PM

Why does Jinx owe you a coke?

Clodfobble 02-01-2012 08:36 PM

...I can't tell if you're really asking... if not, please pretend I'm not about to be a pedantic ass just below this.

so, ah, "Jinx!" is what you say when you and someone else say something at the same time. They "jinxed" you. And the debt of a Coke goes to whoever says "Jinx! You owe me a Coke!" first after the two people say something simultaneously. I dunno, it's just a thing that kids said in the 80s.

monster 02-01-2012 08:37 PM

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Not that I'm advocating this, but blood goes so much further in water/on snow, it's no wonder seal and sea creature hunts are always the subject of the complaints. it looks fucking terrible, but is there more blood lost than in -say- the preparation of Halal meat? It's just that that is a lot tidier, mesuspects.

Or are we shocked by which species is being eaten here? Because where do we draw the line there? How intelligent is inedible? How shall we test, and can we apply the same test and potential fate to members of the human race? Because many of them are too stoopit to live......

Some pigs are smart

SMRT...

Spiderpig, spiderpig....


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classicman 02-01-2012 09:04 PM

thanks bruce

Aliantha 02-01-2012 09:31 PM

If intelligence is a measure of what we can eat, I can understand where cannibalism started from.

BigV 02-01-2012 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 792425)
If intelligence is a measure of what we can eat, I can understand where cannibalism started from.

Right.
did you just call me a pussy?

tw 02-01-2012 10:19 PM

Once one becomes a man, what is the detergent recommended for removing the blood stains? Or is that women's work?

BigV 02-01-2012 10:30 PM

cold water for blood stains

dont ask me how I know that.

classicman 02-01-2012 11:13 PM

Does it involve a chainsaw accident?

BigV 02-01-2012 11:16 PM

the first rule of chainsaw club is don't talk about chainsaw club.

classicman 02-01-2012 11:43 PM

Then it was the roofing project!

Miss Capri 02-02-2012 01:19 AM

Animal rights/welfare is a religion that a lot of people on the net don't dare to call into question. It's simply misanthropic and that's why the originators of this propaganda go on and on about "world shame" when it's just a tradition in some country. But oh my, some animal gets killed and these drips carry on as if they're talking about a holocaust. NG and other animal rights outfits have been known to stage this stuff in the first place.

Ibby 02-02-2012 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Miss Capri (Post 792461)
Animal rights/welfare is a religion that a lot of people on the net don't dare to call into question. It's simply misanthropic and that's why the originators of this propaganda go on and on about "world shame" when it's just a tradition in some country. But oh my, some animal gets killed and these drips carry on as if they're talking about a holocaust. NG and other animal rights outfits have been known to stage this stuff in the first place.

lolnope.

footfootfoot 02-02-2012 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by infinite monkey (Post 792289)
If only we could apply culling to human management.

My wife said the same thing this morning at the breakfast table...:eyebrow:

footfootfoot 02-02-2012 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 792408)
...I can't tell if you're really asking... if not, please pretend I'm not about to be a pedantic ass just below this.

so, ah, "Jinx!" is what you say when you and someone else say something at the same time. They "jinxed" you. And the debt of a Coke goes to whoever says "Jinx! You owe me a Coke!" first after the two people say something simultaneously. I dunno, it's just a thing that kids said in the 80s.

and the 60's

BigV 02-02-2012 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibram (Post 792486)
lolnope.

ha.

shame you missed the chance to call her by name and shush her.

glatt 02-02-2012 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot (Post 792498)
and the 60's

My kids say it now, and they didn't learn it from me.

wolf 02-02-2012 12:55 PM

Oral tradition is a wonderful thing.

Do they still pass along the secrets of Chinese Jump Rope and Cat's Cradle?

glatt 02-02-2012 12:59 PM

cat's cradle-yes. Chinese jump rope - I don't think so. Never seen them do that.

Sundae 02-02-2012 01:23 PM

Bet they pass on Chinese Burns though!

Miss Capri there are plenty of traditions that should cause "world shame". Female genital mutilation for one.

Big business animal husbandry in the Western world is as cruel or crueller than the slaughter shown. Why don't I post about it? Because I am not a hypocrite, I am a meat-eater and I do not trace all the meat I consume from farm to fork to ensure it has been reared responsibly. I cannot guarantee that if I buy cheap fish it is not at the cost of overfishing or the destruction of another species.

That's not to say I am immune from the shock of the pictures above. But don't insult my intelligence by suggesting this is staged, when even this thread shows a little knowledge - or reading around - would verify it as an annual event.

footfootfoot 02-02-2012 02:32 PM

Not to mention male genital mutilation, and we call Chinese Burns "Indian Burns" over here.

Sundae 02-02-2012 02:44 PM

I'm not pro-circumcision (it is certainly not the norm here) but at least it leaves men capable of enjoying intercourse.

How bout Chinese Whispers?

glatt 02-02-2012 02:46 PM

You know what's amazing about the Faroe Islands is their transportation network. It's a group of mountainous islands. And the road system makes extensive use of tunnels. The tunnels go through the mountains of the islands to get to the other side, and they even go underwater to link one island to another. It might not seem like that big of a deal, because hey, everybody has tunnels, except almost nobody lives there. They spend so much effort and money to connect one almost uninhabited island to another.

footfootfoot 02-02-2012 03:07 PM

It's not like they have a whole lot of other, more exciting shit to do, might as well dig some tunnels.

glatt 02-02-2012 03:17 PM

You do a Google image search for these tunnels, and only one image that I saw had more than one car in the picture. And that one had only two cars.

Those are the mountain roads you want to ride your bike on.

Aliantha 02-02-2012 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 792594)

Those are the mountain roads you want to ride your bike on.

:lol2:

Clodfobble 02-02-2012 06:35 PM

[huge downer]IMHO killing the animals even over a couple of days is better than the practice of torturing them for years collecting bear bile.[do NOT click link unless you are prepared to be very depressed.]

Ibby 02-03-2012 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 792506)
ha.

shame you missed the chance to call her by name and shush her.

Yeah, cause I'm... big on shushing?

BigV 02-03-2012 10:04 AM

Miss Capri, shush!

just a pun.

glatt 02-03-2012 10:15 AM

That bear bile story is pretty harsh.

Ibby 02-03-2012 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 792724)
Miss Capri, shush!

just a pun.

i keep saying it out loud and i still don't get it?

BigV 02-03-2012 12:56 PM

capricious

Pico and ME 02-03-2012 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 792637)
[huge downer]IMHO killing the animals even over a couple of days is better than the practice of torturing them for years collecting bear bile.[do NOT click link unless you are prepared to be very depressed.]

That's just so damn distressing.

Ibby 02-03-2012 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 792784)

AH. the shhhhh's were throwing me off. I should have said it like sean connery!

Sheldonrs 02-03-2012 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibram (Post 792790)
AH. the shhhhh's were throwing me off. I should have said it like sean connery!

You mean while slapping your wife?

footfootfoot 02-04-2012 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 792637)
[huge downer]IMHO killing the animals even over a couple of days is better than the practice of torturing them for years collecting bear bile.[do NOT click link unless you are prepared to be very depressed.]

I seem to remember your therapist telling you to avoid certain threads on the cellar. Did you get the OK to look at bear bile websites? Cause I'm against that.


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