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Apollo 03-25-2009 02:49 AM

Best way to cook fish?
 
I'm on spring break and my family is in D.C, so I decided to give cooking a try. Actually, that's a lie. This girl that I'm kinda sort of in love with is coming over and I wanna become a master chef. ;)

Anyway, I would love some input, as I have no idea what I'm doing.

Urbane Guerrilla 03-25-2009 03:05 AM

Got a kitchen exhaust fan or can you cook outdoors in any way? If so, blackened fish. Orange roughy stands this treatment to excellent effect, but any particularly firm-fleshed fillets can do.

But the method is exceedingly smoky so you need an efficient way to keep the kitchen clear and not set the smoke alarm off. The cast-iron frying pan is heated so much it stops smoking (it'll smoke again (a lot) when the fish fillets go in) and shows white ash on its bottom, and the cooking time is quite brief -- about a minute or two on a side. Paul Prudhomme's blackened fish seasoning mix recipe is about the only one worth using: every other one I've tried is the sorriest of pale imitations. Use the stuff Louisianans like, not the wimp-mixes. Don't be afraid to try revving an unsatisfactory mix with some cayenne. You literally can't get the seasoning mix or the skillet too hot for this one.

The fillets get brushed or dipped in melted butter (not margarine!) and hand-sprinkled with the blackened-fish seasoning first on the first side to cook, then while the first side is cooking upon the top side, a quick sear either side, then out onto a plate where they may be kept warm until serving. You sort of need an assembly line setup to prevent fumbles.

The dish is zippy enough to go with a zinfandel or a lightbodied red wine, but you may prefer a robust beer instead. For vegetables, a green salad, and slices of robust-flavored wholegrain bread and butter. Simple, powerful, macho, and thoughtful too.

A rundown on the technique -- read this first.

Paul Prudhomme's Blackened Redfish

The seasoning mix, with both paprika and cayenne -- you may prefer this mix instead of the milder one above. For a given value of "mild..." :D

glatt 03-25-2009 07:28 AM

just broil them.

Shawnee123 03-25-2009 07:33 AM

:yum: blackened salmon.

Pie 03-25-2009 08:07 AM

Can't fail to impress with a French method: en papillote.
Look for "parchment" paper at the grocery store.

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Let's assume you've got a beautiful fresh fillet of fish such as flounder, sole, snapper, or salmon. Wash the fillet and pat dry.
  1. Thinly slice or julienne a few aromatic vegetables. Fennel is lovely with fish and can be found in most supermarkets now. Also good are carrots, shallots/onions, snow peas, zucchini, asparagus. Just remember that everything is going to be cooking exactly the same amount of time. Slice accordingly.
  2. Cut a piece of parchment (doubled over) which is large enough to encase your fillet with an inch or so margin around it. I like cutting a heart shape for the packet - remember grade-school Valentines? A rectangle works just fine, too.
  3. Lightly butter or oil one-side of the heart, place a couple of lemon slices on it, top with the fillet, sprinkle fish with a little salt & pepper. (Preparing the packets on your baking sheet can eliminate any transfer problems.)
  4. Add the julienne of vegetables, some herbs, perhaps a few slices of citrus (lemon or orange) on top, a splash of dry vermouth or dry white wine, a splash of olive oil or a pat of butter, and another sprinkle of salt and pepper. The elements you need are: veggies, herbs, acidic liquid, seasonings, a little fat. You could also go the Asian route with soy sauce & rice wine, ginger, star anise, chilies, with napa cabbage or asparagus & shitake, sesame oil, etc. Serve with rice.
  5. You are ready to crimp -- beginning at the wider part of the valentine, begin folding the paper over itself. As you move around the paper, you'll end at the pointed end of the heart, fold under. If you have trouble with the crimping, you can staple the packets shut, too.
  6. Pop onto a cookie sheet (which you probably won't even have to wash) and into a 400 degree oven and about 6 - 10 minutes later you're opening your pouch!

  • It can be prepped ahead of time (keep refrigerated)
  • It's easy to clean up
  • It's very tasty and can be made very healthy, depending on how much oil/butter & salt you choose to use
  • It gets your veggies and fish in one dish -- serve with lovely crusty bread to sop up the juices
Serve each pouch piping hot from the oven on plates, and let your guest rip into it, releasing the wonderful aromatic vapors just before eating.

...And, best of all, It's French!

Flint 03-25-2009 08:51 AM

A George Foreman grill or such device cooks salmon PERFECTLY.

xoxoxoBruce 03-25-2009 08:52 AM

With enough booze, frozen fishsticks will do. :haha:

Pie 03-25-2009 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apollo (Post 549236)
This girl that I'm kinda sort of in love with is coming over and I wanna become a master chef. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 549282)
With enough booze, frozen fishsticks will do. :haha:

Um, Brucie? He's trying to impress her, not just get her drunk enough to have his evil way with her... :rolleyes:

(Right, 'pollo?)

xoxoxoBruce 03-25-2009 09:02 AM

Sorry Pie, "I wanna become a master chef" is secret guy code. :p

Pie 03-25-2009 09:30 AM

..but if she's still impressed the next day, perhaps she'll come back for seconds? Maybe?

Clodfobble 03-25-2009 02:15 PM

My secret for fish is don't sweat about the cooking--just pop them in a 350 degree oven for about 15 minutes. The real key is to drizzle them in a really tasty sauce before putting them in the oven. It's all about the flavors, not whether the texture of the fish is just so.

My favorite go-to sauce at the moment (this is plenty for two filets plus some extra sauce for the veggies, because it's really that good: )

1/4 cup grey poupon (yes, other dijon mustards will work, but they are not as good.)
1/4 cup honey
1 TBS lemon juice
1/2 tsp. mustard powder
1/2 tsp. dill
1/2 clove garlic (I get mine pre-minced in a jar, so that's not a difficult measurement. You could convert to garlic powder instead if you want, but you'd have to look up how much to use, I don't know.)

Don't forget to spray the baking dish with cooking spray.

monster 03-25-2009 06:16 PM

What type of fish? broiling works pretty well for most fish filets -make a made-to-measure "dish" to keep the juices in so it doesn't dry out. Takes about 15 miutes. Use a touch of black pepper and a squeeze of fresh lemon to get fancy.

Cloud 03-25-2009 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apollo (Post 549236)
This girl that I'm kinda sort of in love with is coming over and I wanna become a master chef. ;) Anyway, I would love some input, as I have no idea what I'm doing.

I'm not a fish cooking expert, but this line made me laugh! "Secret guy code," eh?

Find yourself a good cookbook and follow a recipe. Or, that en papillote is easy, too, and parchment paper is pretty easy to find these days. Don't overcook it.

Undertoad 03-25-2009 08:13 PM

The secret to appearing to be a master chef is doing the recipe twice. The first time, you just do it to try it, to see where the dish can go wrong.

I've been burned trying to do a new recipe for pot luck and whatnot. First time out there is a much greater chance of a muff. The onions are cut too thin and they turn to mush. The spatula you have isn't thin enough to turn the dish without mashing it. The recipe adds too much cinnamon. You just never know until you have a go at it.

Cloud 03-25-2009 08:19 PM

ooh, very good tip!

DanaC 03-25-2009 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 549458)
First time out there is a much greater chance of a muff.

Really? Is that how it works over there? :P

busterb 03-25-2009 09:52 PM

Soak fish in buttermilk.
Heat lard in deep cast iron skillet.
Toss fish in corn meal.
Fry

Apollo 03-25-2009 11:34 PM

Hahaha you guys are awesome! Thanks for all your input! I'm going to take Undertoad's advice and try out some test recipes before the big day.

And it's true, "master chef" is guy code. Don't tell anyone...

wolf 03-26-2009 01:14 AM

Poach in 7-Up.

No, really.

Apollo 03-26-2009 02:53 AM

Adding that one to the list.

Beestie 03-26-2009 03:06 AM

I saw this episode of Good Eats and have it on the list to try out.

Smoked salmon

Aliantha 03-26-2009 08:29 PM

The most important thing with fish is to make sure your product is fresh, and never never ever overcook it. In fact, if you're using salmon or tuna steaks, rare is best, but make sure they're room temp before you put them on the grill or you'll end up with hot outside and cold inside.

Besides that, the best thing is to think of the flavours you like (and/or think she might like) and use them when you grill the fish. You can never go wrong with a nice garlic butter sauce with a splash of white wine over white flesh fish. Try lemon and corriander (cilantro) with salmon or a marinade of soy sauce and mayo for tuna steaks.

Those are my favs for fish, but the possibilities really are endless.

TheMercenary 03-27-2009 10:58 AM

The best way to cook it is with the skin on.

barefoot serpent 04-02-2009 04:52 PM

wrapped in banana leaves

you should be able to score some leaves in Portland

(maybe some buds, too...)

Skunks 04-02-2009 05:00 PM

Double-check that she's not vegan or vegetarian. Fish is kind of a risky option in Ptown, at least with the kids I know there.

Queen of the Ryche 04-03-2009 03:29 PM

Dishwasher. Really.
 
http://www.surrealgourmet.com/html/recipes/salmon.html

kerosene 04-03-2009 04:40 PM

If it is a good sturdy type fillet, try cutting it up into little chunks and pan frying it in some butter and garlic. Then, take some fresh corn tortillas and heat them in some oil (olive oil works.) chop up some avocado, onions, tomatoes and cilantro. Throw the fish pieces in the tortillas, top with the chopped up veggies. Make a sauce by mixing some paprika and ranch sauce and pour into each tortilla or serve on the side. Voila, fish tacos. :) I haven't actually tried this, but we just inherited a massive amount of striped bass from my father's recent fishing trip and I plan on trying that this weekend. It seems like the closest thing to my all time favorite fish tacos, served at Tequila's in Golden. (You know it, HLJ.)

Queen of the Ryche 04-06-2009 03:48 PM

Case, instead of ranch dressing, try sour cream. Throw some lime juice on the fish, and add a ltitle diced up cabbage for texture. Yummy!

Jill 04-07-2009 01:02 AM

Phyllo-wrapped Halibut. Very easy. Very awesome. Very impressive.

Good luck!

Sun_Sparkz 04-07-2009 03:55 AM

I love using any sweet/ mild white fish - like barramundi or bream - and wrapping it up in aluminum foil (like a baggie) and add into the bag anything you want to make it super tasty.

i.e wrap up the fillett with lemon wedges, dill, a little mild chilli flakes, butter and lime. then seal the baggie and bake for 20 mins or so on about 180degrees - check to see its all cooked.

Whatever you do - dont leave the head on. GROSS. This could freak her out, not impress her!

trhale99 04-07-2009 12:29 PM

hello all,
I think it will depend on the type of fish and what else you want to serve with it. Some fish like the white fish---halibut and sole are quite delicate and I like to bake them.

The amount of time to cook it is related to the thickness of the fish. I find for a nice halibut fillet, 8-10 minutes at 350 degrees; you can use a toaster oven too. Then I would serve it with some nice rice dish and some green veggie.

great way to help your day

Urbane Guerrilla 04-10-2009 11:47 PM

Jill, I crossposted that to the Recipe Thread. Thanks!

Jill 04-11-2009 11:51 AM

You're welcome. I didn't know there was a recipe thread -- I'll definitely have to check it out!

So Apollo, what did you make and how did she like it? Don't keep us hanging!

klrguy 04-14-2009 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trhale99 (Post 553637)
hello all,
I think it will depend on the type of fish and what else you want to serve with it. Some fish like the white fish---halibut and sole are quite delicate and I like to bake them.

The amount of time to cook it is related to the thickness of the fish. I find for a nice halibut fillet, 8-10 minutes at 350 degrees; you can use a toaster oven too. Then I would serve it with some nice rice dish and some green veggie.

great way to help your day

350 degrees at 10 minutes. No wonder mine was always undercooked. Does this apply to northern pike as well. I like halibut but have allot of northern pike in the fridge that I plan to eat this week :)

Gravdigr 10-03-2011 04:08 PM

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I like fish cooked this way.

BigV 10-03-2011 04:41 PM

What? With the scales still on? Don't they get stuck in your teeth?

jimhelm 10-03-2011 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 760563)
I like fish cooked this way.

fish?

Aliantha 10-03-2011 04:48 PM

I like that stabby thing in the box for the chips. I've never seen those here. I have to say though, we usually don't just each one chip at a time, so probably wouldn't use them even if we had them, but they'd be handy for midgets like Max so he could blow on his chippy to get it cool enough to eat.

jimhelm 10-03-2011 06:32 PM

chips?

BigV 10-03-2011 06:36 PM

Ali is sayin she likes some wood to go with her fish. For stabbin.


wink wink nudge nudge? knowwhutimean?

jimhelm 10-03-2011 06:54 PM

oh, yeah. that I get.

Aliantha 10-03-2011 09:44 PM

Yeah, we don't get served a bit of wood with our fish and chips here. If you want a bit of wood, generally people expect you to prepare your own at home.

Sundae 10-04-2011 11:49 AM

Chip fork.
Only way to eat fish & chips as a take-away (as opposed to take-home).

Also helpful with just chips, so you can eat them walking along without getting your hands salty & vinegary.

Gravdigr 10-04-2011 02:42 PM

I hadn't noticed the stabby thing. Kinda like a wooden spork.

monster 10-04-2011 08:30 PM

monster hates chip forks.

monster used to work in a chippy.

monster was a soundbite on BBC radio saying "Salt and Vinegar?"

Radio doesn't come with a rack.

monster does ;)

BigV 10-22-2011 12:13 AM

Best fish I've made in a long time.


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