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pennant races
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-----east----- yankees will run away with this one. toronto should outlast boston for 2nd place baltimore will not be too far behind tampa bay with many injuries early on will not be able to catch up ----central---- white sox too good for this group, although clevland may turn this into a race should chicago go into a slump. detroit's great start will not last, but third place is theirs. minnesota is not looking too good at the moment, i expected more from them, but it's just not happening. kansas city is a digrace to baseball, without a doubt the worst team in the game. -----west----- here we go, a race for four teams, i could argue for all 4 of them, but seriously i have to single out the angels, with texas looking really really good.... i'm an angels fan, and i think we might prove less than blalock, mench and the gang....oakland is currently in first but i don't think that they will manage a .500 record...they may even take fourth if sexson and seattle pick up the slack. ---national league--- -----east----- mets all the way here, although philadelphia is putting in a run to make it look a lil' more interesting. mediocre atlanta will take third i think. washington is less than, despite a few flashes of a team. florida's line-up is a joke, and if it wasn't for kc, they would take the label of the worst team in baseball. ----central---- talk about a pennant race. there are superpowers in here. st.louis is obviously the favorite, and with just cause, but after watching some serious baseball this year, i must say that i think houston will win the world series i stated my amazment of cinicinnati early on, and they've proven me right being in first place at the moment, but now, i must say that they are less than both st.louis and houston, and cannot finish higher than third place in this division. the cubs will surpass milwakee for fourth despite lee's injury. poor pitchburg won't be able to avoid last here, although they are actually a better team than they seem. -----west----- here's a good slow race developing, colorado off to the early lead, but it won't last...they will not win this pennant race. although i cannot say for sure here, who will replace them, dodgers and arizona seem stronger. colorado and san fransisco will be close all the way to the end of the year. san diego will fall far back into last and fade away...a disgracefull line-up |
AL East: Yanks, Blo Sox and Jays all look good. I don't think the Yanks have the pitching. It will come down to Boston edging out Toronto unless injuries take a toll.
AL Central: Probably Chicago but Cleveland may take it. AL West: Oakland. They may be hovering around .500 but so is the rest of the division right now. As long as that stays the A's will go on their traditional second half tear barring injury woes. Angels 2nd, Texas 3rd, M's 4th. NL East: Mets looks good but haven't been really tested yet. Atlanta will pick things up and Philly is developing. I say Atlanta but much closer than in previous years. NL Central: I just don't know. I'd have to say Cards because they are way outscoring their opponents but they have problems. Houston does too. I can't see Cincy lasting. NL West: Up for grabs and who cares? All the teams are miserable. |
how things change, clemens returns to houston, putting them immediatly back into the pennant race, especially after chris carpenter is out injured for st.louis, as well as superman albert pujols who will miss at least 6 weeks after his injury today ...cincinatti's odds just loked alot better as well, but seeing we're only 1/3 through the season, i'd put my money on berkman and clemens
nl-west ...all teams aren't looking that miserable at the moment, dodgers and arizona are both winning game after game...webb looks like the best pitcher in baseball at the moment, and gagne returns to the dodgers after being out for some time. oaklands lineup is competing with the royals for worst .avg and just when tampa bay's problems looked to be over, there goes there greatest player crawford, out on the dl....shall we call it a season. and how about those mets, i tell ya, if it wasn't for pedro martinez, i would cross them out of the top 10 franchises ....i mean look at their greatest batter in the line-up...since may 25th delgado's had only 2 hits in his last 33 at bat. and with atlanta's lineup picking up with chipper and francouer on fire, who knows, we might have a race after all. let me correct myself, angels will surpass texas and may pull away way b4 the end of the season, this change is because the angels pitching staff all of a sudden looks pretty good....colon on his way back, and how about this young jer.weaver...very impressive. and a huge uh oh for super white sox, things looking gloomy if thome gets suspended, i won't go further into that one for the time being, but hey, if it happens, it'll be almost as bad as pujols abscence from st.louis, except this one will be for the whole season. and how about them yankees ...everyones in the hospital, and yet they're rocking like crazy...jeter doing more than he should, a.rodriguez is waking up...randy johnson all of a sudden pitches 2 amazing games, rivera won't be out for too long, posada's back 100 percent....bye bye red sox and blue jays. let me add one more thing..at the moment the greatest record in baseball is held by detroit...imho they are but a bubble waiting to be popped. sure verlander is great, but give him 3-4 years |
Houstan looks way better with Clemens on the team. That coupled with Pujols being out should move them closer to first. Rockies are now a christian team... funny how they are in last place and Helton isn't lighting things up. Oakland has been doing pretty poor. Part of this is due to injuries (most teams would be decimated with that many guys out) and their typical slow starts. Now that June is here that should change. Bradley is back soon and Crosby is heating up. Pitchers are coming back too. Don't count the A's out. I also would not count out the Jays and Red Sox. They are not that many games out of first. All it takes in a close race is a bad streak (like the A's had) and it's a different story. Not sure on the AL West. It's safe to count the Twins and Royals out but Chicago and Detroit are playing well. Cleveland is lagging... they got pitching and hitting though.
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Things should look interesting in the A. L. East when the Red Sox hit Yankee Stadium for four games next week.
I'm a huge Red Sox fan (Boston born and bred), but if we can't get a #4 & #5 pitcher in the rotation, we're gonna be in some trouble. Given all the Yankee injuries, the Sox should be out front a few games at this point, but, alas, they just surrendered 1st place to the Yankees after last night's loss to Detroit. I'll be watching the Sox v. the Tigers this afternoon but with Clement on the mound, my confidence is waivering . . . Baseball rules!:blush: |
cherandbuster, you'll enjoy the afternoon as the red sox should win it easily.
clement isn't all that bad, he's just had some tough opponents. manny and david should do enough for the win. and yes, baseball does rule |
Hey WHIP, thanks for your vote of confidence!
BTW, we just left two runners stranded in the top of the first:mad: Why didn't we bring any offense to Detroit?! **maybe it's being saved up for the Yankee series**;) |
well, when i read what you wrote, i looked into the game, and then went and bet all my money on boston today, i'm telling you detroit is but a bubble and won't finished higher than 3rd.
on the other hadn, i'm not gonna be betting against the yankees when you face them, i do believe that they will get the better of it. |
Hey WHIP, I think this upcoming NY/Bos series is a tough one to call. I wouldn't bet my $$ on my Sox either. After all, we will be in Yankee Stadium.
Right now, we lead the Yanks in games this year 4-3. I'm so glad you put some cash on Boston today! Would you like me to keep you posted on the score? Right now it is: BOS 2 DET 0 Let's hope WHIP gets a major cash windfall!:) |
yeah, the yankees series will be a tough one, hope rivera isn't back by then cause he's their insurance on any lead of theirs.
should the red sox win today, i'm gonna put all the winnings o the angels tonight in clevland, bookies got the odds wrong in this one. thanks for the update offer, but it's ok, i'm now following it live on the net. blessed be cherandbuster |
May the Angels kick some ASS tonight!!:)
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thx a million
back to back homeruns by youkoulis and ortiz makes it 4-1 ;- ] |
You got it WHIP!!
Since I only bet on baseball while in Vegas, I have decided to become your baseball cheerleader here in The Cellar. Go WHIP go make some cash choose good games kick some ass! RAH RAH!!:3eye: |
Hot damn!! The Cubbies are only next to last!! Whoo hoo!!
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The Yanks and Red Sox are now 42-42 over the last five years. Rivally? You betcha! Andy and Melky are making things happen. I am nervous about Rivera...
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Boy did my Red Sox get their tails kicked last night. Can't even watch the game wrap-up this morning because it'll depress me.
And tonight we've got that newbie from AA that gave up 6 runs last week. How do you think he feels going up against the Big Bad Yankees? I hope his head is in the right place when he walks out to that mound tonight. |
The Yanks are notoriously bad against guys they have not seen... but AA is a long way from the bigs. I've been driving home from a night class 1hr 45min with a Sox fan, she was not pleased last night.
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Oh Griff, it was embarrassing to watch. The game was lost by the 2nd inning.
That's two bad outings in a row for Beckett. And tonight I'll have to pray to the mighty Baseball Gods for some extra help. Are you a nice Yankee fan or a mean Yankee fan??! |
I'm the nice sort. The others make me uncomfortable.
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it's a pleasure meeting you Griff! Until tonight . . . :) |
watching the red sox-phillies game...after 6 its 3-3. it's a real good one in boston, schilling was pulled in the bottom of the 6th with the bases loaded and no outs.....in any other division, the red sox would be heavy favorites, but i'm afraid that the yankees are too good for them, not to mention the blue jays which are one step behind waiting to pounce
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It is June and the A's have risen from the ashes. Last week's sweep of the Yankees was priceless. Ra!
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well....randy's woken up ...and rivera's back/good and healthy, and what can anyone say about that lineup, a-rod is not even needed in this,from top to bottom its red hot....i don't think any pitcher in mlb fear any lineup more than the yankees, not even super texas's.
regarding oakland,yes, they made a run, but the lineup is still sub-par, no pitching staff can make up for a lineup like that...it's an angels-texas race...and hey, i knew seattle would wake up when sexson snapped out of it, look at them, i still think they can steal 3rd from oakland[no attack on you in any way intended] its just the way i see it |
Yankees have a good lineup no doubt (they better for just a bit under $200 million) but the pitching is going to be their problem. Maybe they will be able to buy somebody from a non-contender but I wouldn't count on it since pitching is pretty thin.
The Oakland lineup isn't going to equal that of the Rangers, Red Sox or Yankees. They simply don't have the $ for it. What they do have is a decent lineup with lots of injuries. Yet they are still on fire. Fancy that. Rå! By the by, during one of the SF / Oakland games the announcers mentioned the A's and their trip to Colorado. The pitchers said the balls seemed cold and Macha remarked they felt soft. Anybody else hear anything about Colorado after their team played there? It's very weird that the Rockies are scoring more runs on the road than at home. It's probably just the power of Jesus or something ;) |
Ok W.HI.P, I've run through the AL West in my head again and I just don't see how you're pegging Oakland for last place. Let's look at the teams:
Texas - Great bats, decent pitching. I don't see it lasting though. Padilla and Millwood are solid but rest of the starting pitching doesn't instill confidence. The relief has been shaky too. The heat and ballpark will take a toll on the whole team as the year goes on. In fact all those hitters aren't such an advantage when most teams can rack up runs so easily. Frankly I just don't see them keeping it together at their current level for a whole year yet alone improving. Seattle - Good starting staff. If Felix picks up they will be a force. But the bullpen is dicey. Guardado is out of his prime and Putz may not be a long-term solution at closer. Hitting is good. The team has improved no doubt. Anaheim - They got legitimate talent. If they can start playing like a real team and avoid injury they will be the A's main competition. Oakland - Traditional slow starters and been plagued with injuries (more DL trips this year than all of last year). Currently burning up as is June tradition. Even with Harden out they got a good starting rotation. Now that Duchscherer is back the middle relief is looking good again. Street closing, can't argue that even if he does blow a few. Batting is the weak spot but if this is a beat up A's team imagine when the 6 players on DL come back. |
jebediah..i have no idea about much in colorado, they're just a bad team.
al west ....................................................................................................... angels we agree here, they're obviously gonna be in contention at least, and the reality is that the angels are in a perfect position to totally run away with this...i say this because so far, the main reason was pitching problems, but honestly everyone has woken up, everyone's saying why did young jer.weaver get sent down to triple a when he seemed to be one of the greatest prospects in the game, but what they fail to recognize is that there is no one else thats worthy..colon's back, he's the best thing the angels got, but wait a second before you juge him, start watching in 2 weeks when he's back to 100 percent, then we can pick up on who this pitcher really is. lackey is as consistent as they get, he won't ever die out there. escobar just signed a nice juicy contract, santana is dynamite and everyone knows it, it'll take him a few years to reach his best game, but he's not going anywhere..now the only true argument one could pose on who should have gone down was the older j.weaver, but the fact is, he's a number 1 draft pick, he has seniority, ok so he's given up a few bad innings, but not lately, and until he does, or someone gets injured, super jered weaver willl be in triple a...so you see, the angels pitching staff is 'a' ok. now lets get to the lineup...figgins=steals a base evertime he gets on 1st, now that would make them walk orlando cabrera, with vladimir guerero coming up, now even if figgins dosen't get on, orlando's batting around .320, and he also can steal a base, now vladimir is arguably the most valubale batter in the league, especially since pujols ability till the end of the season is questionable. those 3 are enough., but you see thats not all she wrote,i'm not saying yet, but watch who's coming to anaheim's lineup...it'll cost anaheim an sp, but they have one to spare obviously. and to add to all that, shields is 1 of the 3 best in the majors for the setup role, and f.rodriguez is in the elite closers. if you ask me, their title contenders. more of a dark horse but the pennant looks silly when...... texas excuse me a second here....decent pitching, i don't think so, the pitching sucks, but wait a minute ....this team have been batting the way they've been batting and winning games for worthless pitchers while they're 2 best at bat have been in a slump since day 1 ....young just woke up last month, and hello........texeira has risen from the dead, if texas was above .500 with these 2 a burden, what kinda record will texas have now that they've waken up.....lemme tell you, as impressive as the angels are in current reality, texas is more than a threat, and certainly not a comparrison to... ............oakland now lets see, harden came back for one game and is straight back on the dl, even if he does return this season, do you really think he'll be 100 percent, it didn't look like it the first time, i cross him off the a's pitching staff and don't consider him at all.....now i'v watched haren pitch and i am not impressed, the only reason he has almost ok numbers is because he's pitched specific games against weaker opponents and pitchers. ok so there is some other great prospects in the pitching staff, but hello, great pitching prospects mean that their gonna be great pitchers, not that they totally are yet. streets just fine, even though he had a terrible inning today, if he remains healthy, he'e more than worthy to be the closer till the end. all is fine until here....what are we even talking about now, the lineup...it ain't ok, it ain't ok at all, and if you're talking about something not lasting, thats the little run we've seen over the past couple weeks by this team. key-guy in the lineup is swisher, there's a lot of talk about what his numbers will actually look like at the end of the year, don't get me wrong, i think that in 2-3 years, he's gonna be amongst the leaders, but just like the pitching, it's 2006, not 2008 or 2010...to think this full of prospect team will compete against this texan lineup which has just woken up, and these angels, who we all know what they're capapble of is just not real, its not gonna happen, to big of difference, a joke is what it is. now ok, oaklnad can get third,sure ...........but seattle i must have looked pretty silly talking about seattle doing something good when i did, they looked terrible at the time, but sure enough, sexson got a few grand slams and a bunch of homeruns., the rest of the lineup are having up and downs, but they've been winning some games. now the pitching here is sub-par, but since oakland is so not gonna be a .500 team, seattle ain't gonna be too far behind, and why not, why not compete with oakand for third, a littel run of wins here and there, and there they've got it, now yes guardado is finished, forget aboout it, but putz has been looking more than just impressive, he's done way more than expected of him, and what really proved it to me, was today, the way he got out of that trouble showed that he's not just a perfect inning guy, but can also wake up and remain calm at the same time under-pressure...he is seattle's closer, and i don't think thats gonna change |
you have no reason to say the a's run isn't going to last. It lasted quite a while last year, well into August they gave the Angels a run for it. and now the guys have another year under their belt.
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Anaheim - I more or less agree. They got a fine staff and good closers. Middle relief is more a question. You mention Figgins stealing and Cabrera stealing but they have to get on base. Figgins has a .320 OBP so far which isn't all that fantastic. Cabrera has 10 steals. Even if they come around steals aren't going to flat out win them games. The whole lineup needs to step up and preform at the level they were last year and then they will be a force to reckon with.
Texas - Sorry, but decent I meant Padilla and Millwood. My error. In past years Texas has had similar pitching and the result has been finishing in 3rd. The hitters can be streaky and you're making the assumption they are going to stay woken up... that's not happened in recent years. If anything they decline either from heat or high-scoring games or both. Seattle - Sexson can be streaky but he's doing well right now. They've been playing opponents well with one exception: the A's. Oakland has beaten them 8 of the 9 times they've played so far this year. And that was when Oakland was in their traditional bad start. Oakland - I just don't see how you can say Oakland is going to finish below .500. The last time they ended a season below .500 was 1998. Yes, 1998. I agree with Rock Steady. The run will go for quite some time and all those rookies last year (Crosby, Swisher, Street, Blanton, Johnson) all have a year behind them which will be a benefit. Of course we disagree but in my view you're working on a few assumptions: 1. Texas will remain strong (one year over .500 the past five years). 2. Seattle will be able to handle Oakland in future matchups. 3. Oakland will somehow fall apart and finish below .500. 4. Anaheim will get their act together. I have the easiest time believing 4 while 3 is far-fetched. 1 and 2 are possible but not likely from where I'm sitting. |
The Angels really should have gone for Sorianno. They need more punch.
The Yankees really look smart getting Abreau and Lidle. Their lineup is brutal now. The Red Sox may be in trouble without their captain. |
The A's look really smart by keeping all their guys, especially Zito.
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Bo-Sox Update
Things happen kinda fast this time of year. Boston just picked up Javy Lopez from the O's. That's a great aquisition. Lopez was great here in the ATL. He's not the best defensive catcher, but when he's on his game he can hit wicked good. Miribelli got injured last night, so Javy is now our starting catcher. I hope for a spark. Clement is out for Wells tonight. I hate Wells. I will always see him as a f*&^%$# Yankee.
Oh, and Keith Foulke may join the team next week. Yeah, he's sucked of late, but maybe he will rise like the Phoenix. Who the hell designed that Tampa stadium? That is the stupidest ball park in the land!!! A white roof? Pop ups hitting rafters? Jesus H. Christ in a chicken basket! |
Mirabellis down too!? Javey hasn't been hitting, even a little bit. Let's go Yankees! One bummer Bubba got designated for assignment yesterday. *sigh*
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Rays have our #
Red Sox have lost 7 of 10 to the D-Rays. I don't get it.
KC is next for 3 games, then it's home to Fenway for a long stretch ending with 5 games with the Yankees. That could be a make or break series. |
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KC sweep is not a good sign even if a person keeps in mind that KC has bats this year. Still, NYY isn't running away with it. Their pitching is pretty bad. I still think it's going to be close but NYY has the edge now.
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The race is far from over particularly if A-Rod doesn't remember how to throw a baseball.
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keep in mind that the young pitchers which have been in since the start of the season will not be able to last to the end.
expect detroit and oakland to show a serious pitching downfall because of this. that was one of my considerations when predicting. you can't say the same about the angels, saunders just came in and jer.weaver since mid-season so they should be just fine. now things are shaping up pretty nicely. houston closing the gap on st.louis now, within striking distance and the astros are looking pretty good this past week. detroit lasted longer than i thought, but they will collapse. chicago will just surpass them, minnesota is finished as liriano is out and jo.santana is below par. what i can't understand is clevland...like wtf is happenening, how could it be, they've got such an amazing team all around, how could they be soooooo out of it, it dosen't make sense. dodgers looking better than arizona, i can't understand why some people thought san diego would do better than those two. the angels woke up and there will be no catching up to them, forget about it. there was a reason at the start of the year that the yankees were the favorite to win the world series, even with the injuries. and lemme tell you, if abreu never came to ny, and all of a sudden jeter was out for the season, i'd still bet on the yankees winning the division against the red sox, so....forget about it. .........and the most impressive thing i've seen in all of baseball....the mets unbelievable i say...beltraine, wright, reyes, delgado = toooooo good and pedro my original baseball thread here at the cellar spoke of a ny vs ny world series. i hope the angels will be there, but nyy-nym looks like the most possible scenario. |
I don't see how you're thinking the young pitchers won't hang in. Some pitch more in the minors and of the A's none of them are rookies. In addition they've had some rookies making spot starts which help rest the regulars.
Detroit has shown this is more than just a good half. They will be in the post season. Chicago is fading a bit and MN isn't looking as hot but they still got bats to make it close with Chicago. Can't count any of those three teams out IMO. I agree with you on Cleveland. What players and what a terrible record. San Diego has terrible starting pitching aside from Peavy. No further explanation needed. The Angels and Yankees really don't impress me. When they got payrolls that big and aren't completely running away with things it makes me think they are vulnerable. |
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I'm gonna save up my powers for the 5 game set at Fenway.:) ARods head is not in a good place for baseball right now.
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Trade?
Cashman said "no way" about an A-Rod trade, but why should we trust him? If NY tanks in Beantown, I bet they start thinking about it.:neutral:
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I think the consensus is that right now he can't throw under a microscope but would loosen up in a more mellow atmosphere or hopefully after a few big moments in NY. I believe Texas is paying a chunk of that absurd salary. Last night, Figgins shoetopped what would've been a big hit for him. He can't buy a break.
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Don't discout the Giants ability to make a bad pick up. If Bonds goes bye-bye (for whatever reason) there you go.
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Friendly Fenway
Boston finally made some ground on the Yanks. We're only one game back. But now we play Detroit. Boston won't be able to hit their way into the playoffs unless our pitching gets better. It was 11-9 yesterday.
Gotta admire Mike Lowell; he gets absolutely clocked in the head with a pitch but goes on to hit and field as if nothing happened. And talk about playing third. He doesn't "look" like a gold glove kinda guy but he's proven that he is with amazing plays all year. |
i guess the yankees-redsox race is over now after the 4th in a row thats about to finish. it's too bad for boston actually as their line-up is more than impressive.
dodgers and arizona still going at it, it should be decided near the end despite the dodgers looking much better at the moment. oakland can feel the angels breathing down their necks and its innevitable that the angels will surpass, seattle proved less than, texas may just catch the falling a's for 2nd place. detroits hanging on but i guess it dosen't matter that much to the white sox as they can and will get in on the wold card and vice versa. the mets suddenly look hopeless without glavine for the rest of the season, pedro's questionable..... their setup man is out for the season, their closer has not been himself this year, who's left....o. hernandez,trachsel, oh my are the mets in trouble or what...they only thing they have left is their lineup which just so happens to be a little more than impressive, but is that enough, i don't think so, not without pedro at least...poor glavine i dunno whats up...st.louis is terrible unless carpenter's pitching. cincinatti is still living off their early form but they are less than a team at the moment. houston's pitching looking really good right now and the line-up is looking like their picking it up, but is too late? well thats about it. |
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well, they we're 2nd favorites after the yankees, and obviously favorites from the national side. but not anymore...all of a sudden the dodgers look like a good bet with the amazing odds they have, who else...the cardinals suck .....seeing clemens against r.johnson in the final game of the world series would have been interesting though, but unlikely now.
well i don't really care that much who makes it there from the national side, i just hope the angels can take out the yankees when the time comes, cause thats what it will come down to...of course i fear the white sox a bit, but thats all. |
Aside from the Mets no team in the NL looks very dominant. And now the Mets may slide a bit. When comparing the leagues the AL simply crushes for the most part. There were only two NL teams (Giants and Rockies) who DIDN'T have a losing interleague record. The Dodgers have made great strides but are they a great team? Hard to say at this point.
I'm thinking Yankees, Detroit and Oakland with Chicago as the wild card. Doesn't exactly give me high hopes for the A's going very far (of course they need to take the division first). The common thread with Detroit, NYY and Oakland is that they all have the least runs scored upon them in their division; in simpler terms good pitching and defense. |
are you still on about the a's ....its not gonna happen..i can't understand why you keep going on about oakland, when its clear that they are less than.
anyhow....no, the dodgers are not a great team at all, but given the fact that there is no great team left in the national league, i say they have a shot...b.penny is more than worthwhile to represent them in a key match. on the other side, i can't see detroit being a factor in any way. the yankees and angels are the best teams in baseball at the moment. although i wouldn't rule out the white sox yet, as the do have the units to suprise and go all the way |
Of course I am. They've shown the most mettle of any team in that division and I see nothing changing that. Could the A's finish second? Sure. I just don't foresee it. All season the A's have been plagued with injury yet have still managed a better record than Anaheim. Not to mention the Angels got a tough schedule before the division games. BOS, NYY, SEA, DET, BAL, TOR, CWS. Youch. Granted the A's have a tough schedule too but have teams like the D-Rays and Indians in the mix.
Penny is a great marquee pitcher. So is Santana of the Twins. It takes more than one guy to win however. Then again that may be all it takes in the NL this year. Detroit not a factor? While they've cooled they still own the best record in baseball. Pretty impressive batting lineup and some quality starters in Bonderman, Rogers, Verlander. Yankees I can believe; you have to convince me on the Angels. What evidence do you have in support of them? |
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