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yesman065 12-12-2006 01:11 PM

We are in even more trouble now
 
http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/po...nce-chief.html

How the Heck can this guy be appointed to the House intelligence chief position and NOT know this???? How the hell can any senator/congressman not know this?? This is truly frightening.

Flint 12-12-2006 01:15 PM

sounds familiar...
 
Have you ever worked for someone who has never done your job, nor really knows anything about it, but were hired for "management" experience?

xoxoxoBruce 12-13-2006 04:52 AM

Flint hit the nail square on the head...... it's corporate thinking.
Who do they want running the show? MBAs.
Doesn't matter if the business is making widgets, handling information, hardware, software or high tech toys. You know that professional manager doesn't know jack-shit about what his people are doing, only if they are meeting deadlines and being cooperative/not disruptive. Of course he set the deadlines, and he's no help if you get stuck, but that's your problem... not his.

On the upside, Reyes not knowing the answers to the questions may be a good thing. Maybe instead of taking the position with preconceived notions, he'll use the power of the position to find out the truth.



Naw. :headshake

yesman065 12-13-2006 07:09 AM

I can relate to your "fresh-thinking" perspective, but it would be nice to know what or who the problem is. The fact that he couldn't distinguish between "Shiite" and "Sunni" is unconscionable.

Griff 12-13-2006 07:12 AM

He'll be very easy to control by whoever gets in the saddle. He knows nothing so he'll believe whatever he is fed.

yesman065 12-13-2006 07:14 AM

Isn't that the situation many here say we are in now? Why would we want to do it again? Oh, thats right - - - -> politics as usual.

Stormieweather 12-13-2006 07:57 AM

What bothers me most is not that he didn't know this information (even the most intelligent people don't know everything), but that he actually answered with a guess rather than admit he didn't know. It's ok to not know something, but the peak of stupidity to answer as though you do know (erroneously, as it turns out) and prove you're an idiot.

Stormie

Spexxvet 12-13-2006 08:02 AM

Didn't W fail the same sort of test, and then got elected president? Hopefully the results will not be the same... maybe he's a quick study.

chrisinhouston 12-13-2006 08:04 AM

What troubles me is that Pelosi picked him over 2 more senior Democrats who have much more experience because she doesn't get along with them. She also made that dumb move by supporting Murtha when he had all that baggage.

MESSAGE TO CONGRESS: WAKE UP AND LISTEN TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS!!!

Torrere 12-13-2006 10:03 AM

Well, they appended an update to the article, where Sen. Reyes clarifies that he does know what's going on. He is "acutely aware of Al Qaeda's desire to harm Americans." He sounds so much more smart and knowledgeable when he uses words like "acutely".

In the original article in Congressional Quarterly, it's clear that he not only has trouble distinguishing Shia from Sunni (which might be excusable for the average American), but also that he has no idea what Hezbollah is.


Also, it seems that Trent Lott hit the nail on the head:
“Why do they kill people of other religions because of religion?”

skysidhe 12-13-2006 10:11 AM

I saw this on the Today show the other day.

It brought up the memory of Kerry saying we needed sensitivity training regarding the middle east yet was snickered at.

When will we ever learn?:headshake:

MaggieL 12-13-2006 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skysidhe
It brought up the memory of Kerry saying we needed sensitivity training regarding the middle east yet was snickered at.

Of many things Kerry has said, that's probably among the most snicker-worthy.

skysidhe 12-13-2006 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaggieL
Of many things Kerry has said, that's probably among the most snicker-worthy.

What does that word mean to you? When someone says that sensitivity training in is order what do you hear? Just curious. I know the Rebublican mind translates things differently. Oh and sensitivity might not mean to me what you think it does.:)

yesman065 12-13-2006 12:08 PM

The more I read about Pelosi, the more worried I get. I am ok with change as long as it produces a more beneficial leadership - however this is beginning to look like a step backward.

Sensitivity - in this context, to me means a better understanding of what the other culture believes, feels wants. . . and a better comprehension of how to relay the same information from us in a way they will understand, without it coming across as US telling THEM.

We already tried that and it hasn't worked out so well yet.

MaggieL 12-13-2006 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skysidhe
What does that word mean to you? When someone says that sensitivity training in is order what do you hear? Just curious. I know the Rebublican mind translates things differently. Oh and sensitivity might not mean to me what you think it does.:)

OK...let's start off with "I'm not a Republican." (Or a rebublican.)

Now, with that out of the way...

What does "sensitivity training" mean to me? It means somebody has decided somebody else is insufficiently politically correct, and is in a position to try to impose their own values and point-of-view, while whitewashing it as pedagogy.

Flint 12-13-2006 02:03 PM

cultural sensitivity training
 
Incidentally, one might also learn the difference between Sunni and Shiite...

rkzenrage 12-13-2006 03:35 PM

Remember... if it is a government agency/committee it is actually the opposite of it's name.
Intelligence Committee = room full of morons dictating futile hate policy.

It always works.

barefoot serpent 12-13-2006 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yesman065
The fact that he couldn't distinguish between "Shiite" and "Sunni" is unconscionable.

I always thought it was being able to tell between "Shiite" and "Shinola"...
;)

yesman065 12-13-2006 09:12 PM

Thanks b.s. I knew I could count on you.

skysidhe 12-14-2006 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint
Incidentally, one might also learn the difference between Sunni and Shiite...

Yes I do mean cultural.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaggieL
OK...let's start off with "I'm not a Republican." (Or a rebublican.)

Now, with that out of the way...

What does "sensitivity training" mean to me? It means somebody has decided somebody else is insufficiently politically correct, and is in a position to try to impose their own values and point-of-view, while whitewashing it as pedagogy.


I went to look up the difference between Suni and Shiite to try gaining some understanding. I failed. It is complicated. This is sensitive. I can barley get my point across when I am understanding something but not this!

Then I saw something that brought it home in a simple way. Perhaps more snickerish to some but is this the 'sensitivity training' do we really want to be snickering in the face of our ignorance ?


What is the answer here?


Is this child...
an Arab or a Kurd,
Moslem or Christian,
a Shiite or a Sunni?


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Shawnee123 12-14-2006 12:27 PM

I don't know...which one looks like a box with a red x in it?

Clodfobble 12-14-2006 03:05 PM

A red cross? Must be a Christian!

skysidhe 12-14-2006 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shawnee123
I don't know...which one looks like a box with a red x in it?


silly, you can't tell a childs faith by seeing him/her anyway. That was the point. ;)

Torrere 12-15-2006 06:54 PM

but "Arab or Kurd" is an ethnic distinction, which might be readily distinguished by someone familiar with the region. Although the difference between Shi'a and Sunni is a religious question, the I think that the majority of the Shi'ites are from the old Persian empire. Christianity and Islam, despite colonisation and ministry, are both largely regional phenomena.

If you see a child somewhere, you could probably make a very good guess whether they are Arab or Kurd, and whether they will become Muslim or Christian, Shi'ite or Sunni.

MaggieL 12-23-2006 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skysidhe
do we really want to be snickering in the face of our ignorance ?

Those who offer us "sensitivity training" suffer from the presumption that we are more ignorant than they and in need of their training.

I actually know the difference between Shia and Sunni. Kerry is a pompous supercilious preppy asshole and has been such for a long, long time.

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Urbane Guerrilla 12-26-2006 11:45 PM

Kerry is one of the several senior Democrats who keep on display exactly what is wrong with the Democratic Party. There are others who do their part to make this clear also.

The Jackasses aren't getting a dime from me.

I remember some gun people sending envelopes containing, in cash, two cents U.S. to the Clinton legal defense fund. Can't recall if I followed this example or not... I might have, I didn't at all care for Ole Possum Head... but quite a fistful of such envelopes originated at that gun rally.

rkzenrage 12-27-2006 02:15 AM

Oh, yeeeaahhhh... if he had won we would have been in heaps of trouble by now!

Aliantha 12-27-2006 06:33 PM

lol...*nothing more to say about this little stouch*

Urbane Guerrilla 12-31-2006 11:33 PM

'Cept perhaps what a "stouch" might be... ;)

Aliantha 01-01-2007 05:34 PM

argument/fight/scuffle

richlevy 01-01-2007 06:48 PM

bread/potato/starch

Urbane Guerrilla 01-02-2007 01:41 AM

It's a stouch if you hit him with the couch...

"...Should you behold a panther crouch
Prepare to say ouch.
Better yet, when called by a panther,
Don't anther."

--Ogden Nash


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