Which is worse, booze or pot?
 

Early in my life I consumed mass quantities of both booze and pot, although I might be lying if you are in law enforcement. I've always felt that pot was better for the individual and society. My reasons:

- Alcohol can give you cirrhosis of the liver.

- pot does not negatively effect your health.

- Pot doesn't give you a hangover.

- Stoners don't have the ambition or the train of thought to get into a bar fight.

- Pot leaves no bottles or cans to overflow landfills.

- You don't have excessive urination when smoking pot.

- Pot is calorie free - although munchies may offset that point.

- Pot is not physically addictive.

What do you think?

Neither is good for you (I will get to that later) even though I agree that booze is worse.

Pot can give you panic attacks if you smoke too much and it will give you the motivation of a snail. It isn't technically addicting but it can ruin lives from people becoming obsessed with it. Usually that will just involve being broke and not moving.

I won't go over the side effects of booze since we all know them but I will say this. When I get a house and have teenage neighbors I would much rather have them be paranoid stoners than obnoxious drinkers. I won't have cups, bottles, and pee all over my yard and I will be able to sleep on weekends.

Booze is much, much worse.

Pot stinks.

I don't think smoking some weed will result in driving north in the southbound lanes of an interstate.

I don't think smoking some weed will result in driving north in the southbound lanes of an interstate.

At 5 mph in a 35 mph zone

That way you can be sure you aren't speeding!:worried:

I have asked several cops if they have ever apprehended a violent criminal who was on pot alone, all have said no.

Everything in moderation. That's my motto. ;)

Discussion must include references to a movie created to warn about this 'danger'. Movie was often shown in college so we would be informed. The 'powers that be' never understood what it really was - a comedy:
Reefer Madness

lol...sounds like a trip (yep, that was a drug reference). Now that we're on the subject, what about acid? Is is worse than booze or pot?

Not correct. There have been several research papers released over the last year or so, that indicate that long term use of pot causes various forms of psychosis. This does not suggest that alcohol is OK, BTW. In moderation, alcohol is not a problem. Like most "drugs", over use and excess will lead to real medical problems.

One of the main psychosis' becomming more apparent is the increase in diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia. There's heaps of literature which supports this argument in relation to dope smoking.

My best friend has been diagnosed with it and her doctor firmly believes it's because she smoked too much dope during her formative years.

Now what about acid?

A friend of mine has smoked every day for the last 27 years. He's the most intelligent person I know.

Why thanks, UT. :blush:

JUST KIDDING...I KID!

There is really no contest here:

Alcohol:

1)Prolonged, heavy use of alcohol can lead to addiction (alcoholism).
2)Sudden cessation of long term, extensive alcohol intake is likely to produce withdrawal symptoms, including severe anxiety, tremors, hallucinations and convulsions.
3)Long-term effects of consuming large quantities of alcohol, especially when combined with poor nutrition, can lead to permanent damage to vital organs such as the brain and liver.
4)In addition, research indicates that children of alcoholic parents are at greater risk than other children of becoming alcoholics.

Marijuana:

Marijuana smoke contains some of the same cancer-causing compounds as tobacco, sometimes in higher concentrations.Studies show that someone who smokes five joints per week may be taking in as many cancer-causing chemicals as someone who smokes a full pack of cigarettes every day.

From here.

These are from the long term effects sections from the Partnership for a Drug Free America. Source is National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA).

The alcohol section is excerpted. The marijuana section is not. That's the most they could say.

Now, pass the bowl. :D

Then again, a friend of mine has smoked every day for the last 30+ years, and he rarely leaves his house except to go to work.

Can I get his address please? :p

I've never done acid. As I understand it, acid makes schizophrenic people normal, and normal people pschysophrenic. If you lose touch with reality, you might think you can fly, or that an innocent bystander is an alien who needs to be killed. You might cause harm to yourself and/or others.

Only if you pay me a conjugal visit when you're in town to get squiffed. :p

Disclaimer: I've never used the evil weed.

From a medical standpoint, I'm certainly willing to consider the concept that weed might less harmful than more socially acceptable and legal substances like booze and tobacco.

But it just seems like inhaling smoke--any smoke--is just plain bad for your lungs. Am I wrong?

You are correct. But we're comparing and contrasting.

Eh, why not? I never said I didn't have a price. :rolleyes:

Does his name start with XOXOXO?

Pot is better. But try loading your car with it when the cops are around and they kind of pissy about it. Where as, if you load your car up with vodka, they don't even blink.

My drugs of choice is food (amphetamines and opiates are nice, too). Every bit as dangerous as pot or booze.

Like Aliantha said, my motto is everything moderation (including moderation).

Compulsive, addictive behavior over any substance is a Bad Thing.

Alcohol can be a very good thing. In moderation, as part of life's passages and enjoyment.

Marijuana, when partaken excessively, is surely not good for you.

Acid---um, what can I saw about acid?

. . . I forget. :)

That being said---

it's always 4:20 somewhere!

Not really...only if it's 5:20, or 6:20, or 7:20...etc somewhere. :rolleyes:

metaphorically speaking!

Awesome...now WHERE is that bowl I keep asking for? :p

Booze is worse.

Since I have little knowledge about grass and too damn much about booze. Voted booze. bb


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Alcohol probably kills more people than anything...in one way or another. But in comes in better flavors than pot.

Neither will drinking some alcohol.
There a consequences to all excesses from water to heroin.
Alcohol is the toughest on the body. The others are a toss up, acid won't ruin your lungs, pot rarely gives you flashbacks.
Oh, and people that try to fly off tall buildings, not the acid, they're just nuts.

I know some people that smoke regularly and are dumb as rocks. I don't think the pot effects either. :haha:
If you look long and hard you'll find some sort of tie, either coincidental or similar, between any substance and any ailment in the world.

Booz is of course the worst thing for u weed can do a lot of good things for u, but the government wont let people do full studies on it so how will the general pop know. All u know now is that it is very helpful for people going through medical conditions and thats it, but i think that it can do a lot more than that. Also it dont slow ur reaction time down that much i would knw

are you crazy??? if the amount of people that drink beer smoked pot, and did it in the same amounts, the world would spiral down into a gutter. neither is good in large quantities but the day marijuana is legalised in australia will be the day i lose all faith in its people.

people smoke weed and think amazing things are happening to them, people drinks alcohol and know that its a bad thing. a society can function with booze but not pot.

i've had my good time on pot and other drugs. but the only one that i felt had the least evil sense to it was alcohol.

nicotine was the worst. make that illegal.

That's because it's both legal and mostly socially acceptable. :cool:

Definitely alcohol.
From my own personal experience, by observation of people I know and from the facts.

I will offer one supporting example - I have known some lazy stoners in my time who decided one day to stop/ seriously cut back on their habit and change their lives. I have not known anyone whose life was as dependent on alcohol capable of doing that. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm just suggesting it's harder to come back from a serious drinking habit.

and if you make pot socially acceptable people wont stop, more people will take it up and you'll have a world full of stoners.

What can you do drunk that you can't do stoned?

(I've never been either, so I wouldn't know.)

A - it is already socially acceptable, but illegal. :D

B - is a world full of stoners any worse than a world full of drunkards?

C - what if alcohol were made illegal, and pot legal?

Throw up on yourself. :rolleyes:

This just blows my mind. You're not high when you make those tape thingers???

Just like legalizing alcohol made the world a full of alcoholics?

I think pot use would jump up if it was legalized but would eventually even out when that fad goes away.

No, I'm watching TV. Very similar effect, I gather.

And at the same time, alcohol use would probably drop.

I don't smoke pot. Haven't in decades. If it was legal, I might once in a while.

Cold Turkey Challenge
 

Does anybody on this site feel that they are addicted to the Cellar? Or can you all just quit, any time you want?

I'm finding it very strange that many in here seem to think that if someone smokes pot at all they are a "stoner". Makes no sense at all and not what I have experienced.

I think it's just a term of endearment. :)

And if you steal low value items or small amounts of money, you're not a thief.

I can't compare -one works for me, the other doesn't -I guess the one that doesn't is better for society ....or maybe not :D

They both pretty much suck, IMHO.

BUT...

Beer : wine coolers :: pot : "chick pot"

The day they invent chick pot, I might be on board.

Alcohol is a huge problem in society as most seem to have acknowledged through the course of this thread.

They tried banning it once and look what happened. Then they legalized it and keep on tinkering with the rules for consumption etc and yet there is still a problem.

Why would anyone think that if a drug like marijuana were legal there'd be no problems or at least, there'd be less than there are with alcohol?

Both are drugs, and there will always be people who abuse substances legal or not. The biggest benefit to legalizing pot is for the government, so think twice before you go ahead and agree it'd be a good thing.

A "friend," eh?

Worse or not, alcohol is legal.

From my own personal experience ... I do admit that I have never sent anyone to rehab just for smoking the weed.

From my own personal experience ... Weed can be an awful lot of fun. However, once I found out that I wanted to move on to a new activity and couldn't, I was done with the weed. Permanently.

Absolutely right on. I voted pot, but I agree that any substance that is abused, is not a good thing.

Wolf, you have medical training, what's the amount of water that is lethal, if consumed in one sitting? I think it is something like 10 litres (over 2 gallons), but I am not sure of the number. Let's ban water. :D

It's gotta be more than 10 litres. they make you drink that much for your first ultra sound when you're pregnant. ;)

I think I looked up the water intoxication numbers before, but I can never keep that particular bit of information in my head. It keeps getting crowded out by things that are infinitely more important, like Star Trek Trivia.

Lethality results from more than two gallons of water per day (so you are correct on that score) with there being more input than output.

I knew they were trying to kill me!