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should have a section of their own. under current events. where he can post one line and a huge quote. every day. just an observation.

Go ahead and say what you really want to man.

i think you should have your own current events section so that you can post current events threads every day.

Well, now I feel like a dick, since I just did the same thing :p

So the current section is what, inappropriate for me?

don't get all offended here. I'm saying that you VERY OFTEN post threads that are: a cute title, a link, a large quote, and maybe one line of commentary. There is continuity. Seems to me like you'd be interested in having a regular column? as i said, just an observation. no more.

not lj, rkzenrage:

Nah, for you, the current section is so ten minutes ago. You should really have your own section. Hell, if it weren't for you, I'd really have little to talk about current events wise.

me: "And then there was this really huge hole, I think it was in china, but it had something to do with the comet that killed the dinosaurs..."

Ya see? I get it all fucked up. Your stories I can condense and quote.

"Another teacher banged one of her students. Actually several of her students. Elspode wonders why his teacher never banged him. Elspode? uhhh, he's this guy. Never mind."

lj why come you don't got no green light in your box? you hiding from us?

He's an in and out man :)

Typical

lj must have me on ignore

http://www.cellar.org/showthread.php?t=13687

(lj: did somebody just post?):p

I don't see what's wrong with rk posting a link and a line about it. Everyone has their own style and their own way of approaching the Cellar. Me? I usually approach it drunk and fall down the stairs.

is it my history of being a hammer that makes you assume that i'm breaking balls?

Must be :P

Was this then just an innocent suggestion on your part?

see post #6

ps, i have monster on ignore......did she say anything interesting there? or just self promote a thread of her own again?

Sorry, I think I must have been messing with the settings on my sarcasm detector again:P

Monster said

yeah, your sarcasm detector is alllll fucked up....and your irony setting could use a once over too, methinks.

I was under the impression that this was a place to discuss current events and things of interest and thought I had made friends here.
My threads are always invitations to discuss the topics openly and I have often been swayed or have completely changed my initial position based on the discussions based on the discussions here.
My posts are based on what is happening in the news and what is important to me just like anyone else.
Just like anyone else, I ignore those threads that do not interest me... just don't read them, and if I do and they don't interest me or I don't care to, I don't respond to them, it's easy.
However, I guess some can't leave someone they don't agree with alone, hence I am being singled out here and attacked elsewhere.
Just don't read the damn threads if you don't like them... or, if you think I'm harming the board with my grammar, or "something" (I can't think of it) get UT to tell me or ban me.

I like your posts, rkz, and as you say if the topic doesn't interest me I just skip it. There are many 5000 word posts that I don't even bother with.

And don't worry, perhaps being called out is better than being outright ignored; at least you know you're not completely invisible. Hell, I can't even get a rise out of the Merc; and nobody likes him! (Just joshin' ya, dude.) ;)

You just stay yourself and poo poo on the naysayers! :)

WTF?

:celebrat:

I think Rage thinks you're in cahoots with xoB, who is giving him all kinds of shit in a different thread.



I like your posts too Rage. Doesn't matter to me where they are, I read by hitting the new posts button.

rk, I really admire your ability to fight on through your difficult situation. Tell me, when you are experiencing a lot of pain, do you find it harder to concentrate and read carefully through the threads?

AH. i had not opened that thread. i'm still not readin it, but thanks....

rk....i wasnt giving you shit. ferreal. i'll go fuck myself now.

rk, I would be prefer to read a synopsis of an article, in your own words, including your opinion, with a link, than the whole thing, without your opinion. :2cents:

I think it would be an interesting experiment to have a "News You Might Have Missed" thread. The articles/ links/ information would be there for people to read, and if comments developed into a discussion then all well and good.

RK - I am also more interested in reading your opinion than the actual articles. I do appreciate the news you make me aware of, which wouldn't have come to my attention otherwise, but I come here more for opinions than journalism. I may not often agree with your opinions, but one of the reasons the Cellar fascinates me is the different views on life I get to read here.

Without putting words into LJ's mouth I really didn't read his suggestion as "STFU RK" - it was a question re the way the Cellar is laid out, surely?

Aka, Current Events?

No.
I am suggesting a separate area where people post entire articles that they think people might like to read. Current Events would then be used for threads where people give their opinion on current events, only linking where clarification or back up of facts is required.

Yeah...like a suggestion of a nomination for a user forum....without coming right out and saying it. I'll learn to be less subtle in the future, and just come right out and say what the fuck it is that i'm thinking about. which reminds me.......

I think skysidhe wants me.

Well, there's no accounting for taste. :rolleyes:

you want me too.....take a number

How do you know how he tastes? ;)

Hey, that sounds like one of Sheldon's double entendres!

Yeah, but I want everyone...I have no taste either, and I"m extremely mentally ill and desperate.

I don't really see the difference. I post articles. I post them because I hope that some people who have similar interests about the subject (current event) will read them and comment. The article itself is the starting point for discussion. What you are proposing is I go on and start commenting "hey did you hear about Astor's son stealing all that money?", and you say "WTF are you talking about?". I don't think that would work because an assumption is made that we are all reading, thinking, viewing the same stuff; we are not. I like the Brit papers because they are written above a 5th grade reading level and tend to have a more worldly view. I have subscriptions to The Atlantic, The Economist, among a bunch of other hunting, outdoor, and travel rags. So I doubt many on here have the same interests in me, in fact I count on the fact that they do not.

No.

My suggestion for a post in the Current Events thread would be a recognisable title ("Astor Millions Stolen by Son" or similar) which links into the point you are making by posting, or the interest you have in the article ("Rich Woman Ends Days Sat in Pee") etc etc

The a precis of the article - or the most relevant quotes, with a link to the whole article. Then your point, opinion, take on the matter.

I am not saying this is the best way to do it, or the correct way to do it, or that anyone should consider it as any more than my opinion. That's what I expect to see in Current Events, and in a News topic I'd expect to see articles offered with perhaps a sentence or two at the end.

I love the fact that the Cellar points me in the direction of different news from around the world. I'll take it any way it comes. Just clarifying what I meant.

Sometimes; but, usually, at that point I am unable to type and/or really respond coherently. So, if I can get on, I just read and don't reply. I'll also tend to use a lot of humor when I'm in a lot of pain.
You may not notice, but I often miss days at a time.
This is when I am unable to be on.

The problem with snips of the article is that people tend to think you did not read the whole thing or that you are misleading/misreading the discussion because they may or may not agree with your take on the info. I prefer to post the whole article and bold the points I see as relevent to the point I want to highlight. Then either comment or join the discussioin as people post opinions.

I think I'm not the only one who notices when you're not around, rk.

I used to do this... I was asked to stop.

You mean I might have a chance? :blush:

Yeah.... let'em. That is *the whole point*.

Let people read and think for themselves. I can distinguish between the poster's words and the quoted text. How is that a problem?

I really don't understand why.

There are copyright issues, for one.

ahh. Hadn't thought of that.

Saves a lot of space as well.

Who cares, as long as you post the original link? I don't.

Darling, you're at the top of my desperate and ill list of crushes! :thumb: heheeee

This is true, but I think most of us do try to remember to credit the source, whether it's in the written text or an embedded link.

Most news sites don't have a "credit the source and it's OK" rule. Complete duplication without commentary is harder to defend as fair use than short exerpts.

I don't have any ethical issue as long as it's linked, but it could cause a hassle for UT at some point. Kos had to ban it, but of course that site is much higher profile.

Outside the world of whale penis, that is.

Well, of course.

The Church of the Whale Penis is still #1 at Google for "whale penis"...whoohoo!

Respect - and heart. I have read you discussing these things many times and when I read into your words, I have never read you feeling truly sorry for yourself, in all that time. You are sorry for the situation, but not sorry for yourself. That is what I admire the most. You da man, sir!!

What I read into LJ is that he was not trying to poke at you, that he was truly trying to work out what would be best. He doesn't poke at people - he is direct with them. So no biggie - no harm done and none intended, unless I'm wrong.

As for HM's point, the careful-eyed will notice that IotD is often a horrible copyright problem. But it's a strange one too, in that it's hard to have some sort of "fair use" on images, and huge numbers of people on the Internet take images wholesale. Most people figure that once an image is on the net it's "out there", but that's clearly not the case. So, I try to avoid some images from places like National Geographic where they have clearly spent a fortune on special photographers to get the shots, and I ask permission from individuals when they have created something.

I asked a group of wire service photographers about this and they said, just use 'em, don't go through the ridiculous process of getting the rights when everybody and their sister is passing the shots along anyway.

Thank you very much.
Namaste'

so my original issue was not about the content of the posts at all -whatever they quoted and however much of it and what opinion was given, but just that there seemed to be so many articles that were related yet in different forums, and yet the purpose of the forums seemed to be to keeps posts on similar topics in the same place. In other interweb worlds, the topics would probably have been moved to one place by a moderator. I was just wondering why not here. I can skip topics too, it's not a problem for me --as it happens I am interested in this topic, so I don't. Really not a criticism at all, just a wondering on the scheme of things. Cock.

Sometimes those articles disappear or get the URL changed. Common sense (which often doesn't apply) leads me to believe it's fair use, as we're not trying to draw away traffic or steal content.

I think rkz should just go ahead and do what he wants with the threads he starts, just as everyone else should.

If you're not interested then don't bother reading it.

Actually, I'm interested, I just don't always have the time to read the whole article, so a synopsis of the pertinent parts helps me. I also want to know his opinion.

I said the same thing to RKZ a few weeks ago. It was a comment on his style and not a comment about him. He was free to disagree and others were free to weigh in - that's how things are done here. Its not personal.

And I still firmly believe it is not appropriate to paste an entire article in this forum unless you make follow up points that require the reader to refer back to the text of the article. If you don't have anything to add then a simple link will suffice to bring the article to the attention of the Cellar and everyone can decide whether or not to click on it.

I agree with LJ and do not think anyone should have taken either his or my points on this issue personally.

I post this way, and will continue to post this way. But it's no guarantee my posts, or the excerpts, or the article will be read, as demonstrated in this thread.