Is Barack Obama's Church Racist?
 

You should have heard the stupidity that was said by Paula Zahnidiot and crew tonight about this.
One guy said white was not a race but black was (apparently Irish and Finnish are two different races but Moroccan and Botswanan are identical peoples :eyebrow: )

I am so SICK of this... if a manifesto like this with the word white instead of black got out attached to a fraternity, church or organization... particularly a TAX EXEMPT one, OMG!

It's funny, speaking of frats, I'd like to see a frat like the Omegas, an all black frat, that is predominantly white decide to say that they are going to cater only to whites. Not just Irish, Welsh and Scotts... just whites.
See how it goes over.
The black frats (I was a bouncer a couple of times for FAMU parties) do not just accept Nigerians or Ugandans. It would be the same thing.
As always.
Racism is racism is racism.

Imagine that.

Funny, I said the same thing about that situation when I was in college in the 70's, funny how things have not changed much.

Wild, our first real possibility for a black president and he is a racist.
He named his book after a sermon by this minister... this is his base.


If this is him on television, on his best behavior, I want to see him on a bad day!

*shakes head and walks away*

As far as I understand it, a race is just a population that is on it's way to speciation, and so where you draw the line between who is of the same race and who is of different races is a man-made decision, and so you could draw the line pretty much anywhere, hence it can be abused like this. But I could be wrong about the science of it, I'm only an A-level Biology student.

What I am saying is that all whites are of the same race and all blacks are of the same race... personally I think we are all the same race with a little melanin difference and there should be NO difference in treatment in any way regarding color or sex.
This backs me up.
If you want a group treated differently, you are a racist, clearly.

Why do you think black frats (or black or whatever anything) were started in the first place--because not all that long ago, such institutions only catered to whites. They weren't started with exclusionary intent, but because they were excluded. You can't realistically expect, because things only started to change 3 or 4 decades ago, that all so-called black institutions would magically dissipate.

I'm not really familiar with fraternities in general, but I do know that the "black" frat at Colorado College accepted men of all races.

I think you're taking the Black Ethics the wrong way. To me, it just sounds like a community striving to repair and strengthen itself; overcome the effects of longtime slavery, racism/segregation and poverty. You should read the whole website: http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

I can expect them to accept all races now, absolutely, just as they expect to be accepted elsewhere.
Ethics are ethics.
I have read the subject matter, on other sites and some books.
One of my best friends is a black muslim, we "discuss" this often, he has given me books and material. Some of which were the black ethics of christian background
They are identical to the white identity groups in many ways.
I have said many times, racism will go away when we recognize that race is just a melanin difference, we are all one race.
Anyone who treats one shade different than another, in a positive or negative way, is a racist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nleckpQVyE

Given the opportunity and wherewithal to help themselves and each other, they're bound to push it to the max. After awhile they'll see returning to center is to their advantage.
It won't be quickly, maybe two generations or more, but they'll see the white resentment it creates only hurts their goals.
Eventually whites will learn that too.
Even the Hatfields and McCoys learned eventually.

Yea but do you think we will continue to have more violent clashes, ala the LA riots, before that ever comes to happen? I hope not. But I contend that the differences are just getting greater and the divide is getting larger, esp economically.

I'll bet you a years pay not one black fraternity will be involves in LA clashes.

Exactly, race is essentially a man-made construct. Also, there are other physiological differences apart from melanin production, but they're not really important.

Expect who, exactly? Generally, "black" institutions do accept all races. We already went over this in another thread a while back, remember?

You're getting worked up over nothing, and trying to make something into a racist issue that isn't.

You are reading emotional content into my posts that is not there.
It was racist without me.

So, you're not really "so SICK of this..." ;)

Yes, sick to death of racism in this world.

So, you would be ok with a church that made the same announcement for whites?

I watched the videos from post #3 and this is what I thought:

I watched the second video first, I wanted to see that crazy preacher! He did get pretty worked up, and had a hard time making his case. He seemed to have psyched himself out about who he was talking to; he was nervous about being on Fox News having to defend himself. He sort of got stuck on repeating himself, it didn't look good. But he did eventually manage to get across that an emphasis on the black community doesn't denote a superiority or inferiority of one race over another. Fair enough. He didn't really explain Liberation Theology very well, but I assume he isn't just making it up. It doesn't sound hateful.

What Hannity said was nothing more than an attempt at clever wordplay. Switching words in a sentence is not an intelligent way to analyze something loaded with so much history. It's just a gimmick, it doesn't contain any actual information. Hannity, in other words, made less of a case than the guy who got all worked up. The best thing he did was let the other guy shoot himself in the foot. However, he had nothing to say, so what was the point?

Then I watched the first video. Erik Rush couldn't even keep track of what he was trying to say. I loved that part where he directly contradicted himself. He isn't very bright. But I suppose we are supposed to be more inclined to agree with him because he is black, and, hey, a black guy wouldn't attack another black guy, right? I mean, he couldn't have any other motive behind this, could he?

This Erik Rush video really cemented my opinion on this, due to his really pathetic attempt to sling mud in every direction, without really making any sense whatsoever. Combine his pathetic performance with Hannity's clever little non-point, and you have a total of zero good points made by the anti side. Hmmm... anti-what? Good question... maybe anti- the Democratic candidate? Good Lord, would they do that?! Would they stir up this whole thing just to hurt a candidate they don't want to see get elected? Occam's Fucking Razor. This is not a news story. This is nothing.

I can't watch the videos because I'm posting from work, but based on the actual text posts, no, I don't consider that racist.

The black community in this country has suffered a lot over the years. Under slavery, families were separated and the formation of strong family units or families was heavily discouraged, often by violence. After the Civil War, a lot of thought went into planning out Reconstruction to create stable living conditions for African Americans... but the whole thing was abandoned as part of a political deal. Instead, segregation and racist violence became the norm. "Separate but equal" was a polite fiction -- African Americans simply did not have access to the same quality of education, and even today de facto segregation means that the most well-funded, well-run schools in the country are also some of the whitest.

Some people are racist, some selfish, and some just lazy. In my area, as in most, the African-American neighborhoods that are the most at-risk are the ones where you're the least likely to find a cop car. Maybe the police aren't racist, they just don't want to go somewhere where they think they'll get killed. But it doesn't matter why, the fact is that the residents of these neighborhoods pay taxes but do not see the benefits that residents of the "white" suburbs see, like quality public schools, access to help from police officers, regularly repaired roads, etc, etc.

Kids who went to my public high school in the suburbs got college scholarships for stuff like being stars on the Field Hockey team (I shit you not), or taking International Baccalaureate classes. One of my teachers nominated me for the National Counsel of Teachers of English writing competition, of which I was one of the winners. We all go to college and get good jobs, wheee! Except that kids growing up 15 minutes away in Southeast DC do not have those opportunities. I once visited High Point High School in Prince George's County, Maryland, to take an SAT. PG County is the most affluent majority African American county in the US. It was obvious just walking through the building that their equipment, even just stuff like TVs and VCRs, was in much worse condition than the equipment at my hs. A couple of years later, I saw a building I recognized on TV: there had been a stabbing on the playing field at High Point High School. When my fiance (an experienced teacher with a masters' degree) moved to DC, he was offered a job teaching middle school kids (12 and 13) in Northeast, one of the more troubled areas of the city. The school administrators, who were black, spent most of the interview talking about how he shouldn't be afraid of crime or violence -- obviously having lost other teachers to that bad reputation. My fiance, whose last job was teaching remedial writing at a community college in a struggling area in the South, passed up the job for a better offer in college administration; who knows who they eventually found to take it?

Commitment to the black family and the black community doesn't mean that anyone wants people of other races to do worse, or that black people are superior to other people. It means that over the years it has been a hard struggle for African Americans to keep their community together. Many have struggled to build strong families and afford housing in safe neighborhoods, or worked to make the neighborhoods where they grew up safer and stronger, only to see those who got rich and famous fast selling their children on a meaningless parade of luxury goods and violent dramas. Many have trusted leaders who seemed to genuinely care about helping them, until they decided that they were more interested in getting publicity and getting elected. To me, when people talk about a commitment to the black community and the black family, they are reacting against hundreds of threats to the continuation of those ideals.

It would be racist to say that black communities were better than white communities. The statement quoted in your post said only that black communities are worth fighting for, and in need of it. That isn't racist, it's just the truth.

Also, liberation theology was originally created as a way to reconcile Catholic belief with the experiences of colonized peoples. It doesn't have anything to do with the superiority of any one race over another.