Hilarious and sad: Hamas Mickey Mouse
 

http://www.pmw.org.il/bulletins_may2007.htm#b060507

While I don't condone any group that supports the killing of people not directly involved in their conflict (shoppers, tourists, commuters, bystanders etc), I do accept believe that Palestinians have been beaten with the sharp end of a shitty stick for a long time. I am not horrified by this TV programme, although I do admit it's sad.

I would assume that this isn't mainstream TV, and children are probably sat down to watch it by parents who regularly promote the same views to their children in their own homes. Wouldn't devoutly Christian Americans feel the same if they living in the same situation?

We'll just have to send this guy to Israel:

http://www.gavinshearer.com/photos/w...ightymouse.jpg

Hamas can flout Israel, the UN and the US, but they are biting off more than they can chew, when they screw with Disney. Hell, I've seen Disney make a seed grow into a plant and die in 45 seconds.

It is stuff like this that pisses me off. I am not talking about the brainwashing (which I strongly disagree with), or knowing that this is just a response to Israeli oppression, but why the hell is a resistance/terror organization in control of the media and other social services. This same problem is what let Hezbollah gain so much power in Lebanon.

One big reason these groups have so much power is that they provide social services to their people. If Israel, America, UN, or whoever else wanted to help this problem, they would be the ones helping to provide the social services. While I do not agree with Israel being in control of Palestine's media, I do think they should at least provide social services if they are going to occupy land that is not solely theirs.


Rkzenrage - For this instance, I believe they are only using Allah as an excuse to gain support for their cause and are not actually doing it because they believe Allah wants them too.

Rk - I can't hear youtube videos, so I can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me, sorry.

RK - the difference between your videos and mine is that there is no religious indoctrination in the videos that I posted. The videos don't instruct children in Islam. They instruct them in resistance. The children sing songs about death and using AK-47s against the enemy.

Teaching kids self respect for their culture is a good thing, but using them as pawns is another thing all together.

If Ricky the Rat isn't careful, the Israelis are going to put a hellfire missile on his tail.

Wanna see some fun stuff about good old American Christian indoctrination? Watch "Jesus Camp". Its extra scary for me because the people who run it live about ten minutes down 350 Highway from my house.

You must have had a really interesting visit from the welcome wagon when you moved into the new house.

"Thank you for this lovely welcome to the neighborhood. We appreciate your wanting to help, but it's really late for yard work, so could everyone please take your torches and pitchforks home?"

The Palestinians are pawns for Syria and especially Jordan. If it were only the Palestinians and Israel, the matter would have been resolved long ago.

Syria and Jordan want the Palestinians for pawns, and they are going to keep them as pawns. Iran's in the pawn business too, though with less visible national interest at stake.

Should Syria and Jordan be conquered and vanish as political entities? Will this make the problem solvable?

No, Israel will not give up their land and Palestine will not accept being pushed off their land. That is the main problem and will be the main problem no matter if Syria and Jordan are using Palestine as pawns or not.

Mine is of Christian indoctrination, they state that they want soldiers of god where the kids are as radical and militant for Christ as the Palestinians.
There is no difference.

True enough as it stands, Pierce. But what if Syria and Jordan couldn't keep the Palestinians as they are any more? That's where my point about if it were solely Israel and the Palestinians arises.

Farfour mouse dies in last episode

saw that in conjunction with a story on recruitment of children as suicide bombers. Chilling, assuming it's true.

Suicide Boy in Afganistan:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...r_N.htm?csp=34

Real stand up humanists they are.

Hey that's a better series ender than The Sopranos!

Let's hear it for the indoctrination of the young!
Hip-hip! Huzzah!

Farfour martyred.
 

Just when you thought it could not get better...

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=2357

Can't get much worse: Farfour's co-star ready for martyrdom at age 11.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20...n_editors_ytop

Hamas TV's child star says she's ready for martyrdom

Method actress, huh? Sick fucks.

Do you think it may be the airstrikes that are helping cause the martyrdom?

Suicide bombings in Palestine seem to be much different than suicide bombings by Al Qaeda. The ones in Palestine seem to be much more an act of desperation caused from a hopeless life (if I can't become a doctor I will become a martyr) while Al Qaeda's seem to be a forceful act from educated middle class (non-hopeless situation) trying to force their delusional romantic idea of paradise on Earth.

Remember, Hamas got elected by a 2/3rds margin in a non-fixed election (if it was fixed it was not towards Hamas), that is a big statement considering Hamas does not rule Palestine by fear like Al Qaeda and the Taliban do. This means that moderate Palestinians are resorting to extremism even though the majority of Palestinians want peace. What does this say about the situation?

I do not agree with some of Hamas tactics but to make them the sole "bad guy" without seriously dwelling on the cause and effects that have led to what we have now will seriously warp any realistic view of the current situation.

I would disagree, as would many Palestinians, that Hamas does not rule by fear. The Palestinians are as fractionalized as US politics.

Mickey Mullah
 

Mickey sounds like the Great Cornholio

Of course there will be some fear, but not even close to the same level as Al Qaeda or the Taliban. Unless you are part of an opposing party (PLO, Fatah, etc) you are pretty much not going to be bothered, and more likely helped by Hamas since they spend most of their budget on social services like heath care, welfare, and education (not just propaganda too).

And you don't see the failure in this logic. What hell man? "Unless you are part of an opposing party" That is no democracy. Fatah, among others, is a huge part of the equation. This is not just about Hamas.

I am making the point that the people that support Hamas are usually not supporting them out of fear, but because they actually support them. I'm sure the situation is much more complex than that but to say they rule by terror is completely false.

Technically it is democracy, just not peaceful and very far from ideal. I'm not trying to force an America reference, but the whole "you are with us or against us" is the exact same thing.

I know it isn't but as long as they are the ruling party in Palestine, most of the focus will and should be on them.

When it comes down to it, the situation for Palestine is hopeless. As long as the conditions the Palestinians are in right now stay the same, it isn't going to get any better. They can't just pull themselves up because they physically can not be self-supportive and for them to unite is unrealistic as peace in inner city Baltimore.

Yeah but..... you just don't get.... empathy.... soldiers... how would you feel.... pedophiles...

:P

Yeah...the Iraqi shoe thrower (and the thousands or millions of Iraqis who agreed with him) were inspired by the Hamas children's video and not the discontent from a 5-year US occupation and all the associated adverse consequences. :eek:

WTF? Its not like this "inspiration" as you call it, is a new thing. The manner used is keeping up with technology and is probably going to be far more effective in corrupting the minds of their future generations. I would think its a lot easier to get young children to watch these shows than it is to make them go to temple for umpteen hours a day.

This isn't Iraq. This is Gaza. Keep up!

Gee....that went right over my head :headshake


My point is that internal Muslim propaganda and US policies and actions are not mutually exclusive in how they might impact the perceptions/resentments against the US.

To ignore the fact that our policies and actions are perceived in ways with which we might not agree is just hiding out heads in the sand.

"Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us"

Golda Meir, 1957

That's 52 years ago.

But dux, this video has nothing to do with perception of the US.

Why must you constantly change the discussion?

Do you have that stuff in a copy/paste buffer or something?

I thought resurrecting a 2-year old post was related to the more recent dicussions.

Sorry, I didnt understand that you just posted the hamas video again out of the blue.

Awright. (Man you gotta find a way to watch the videos at work. Maybe get an iphone!)

:D