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Yznhymr 05-26-2007 12:02 AM

Hogzilla
 
Boy purportedly tops 'Hogzilla' kill. Story here. :eek:

http://i.usatoday.net/news/_photos/2...hogx-large.jpg

TheMercenary 05-26-2007 07:17 AM

Another big one! Binging home the bacon.

xoxoxoBruce 05-26-2007 08:35 AM

No bacon,
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Mike Stone is having sausage made from the rest of the animal. "We'll probably get 500 to 700 pounds," he said.
I'll bet he could get a good buck for that. You know, Arkansas Razorback tailgate parties and the like. Maybe Razorback opponents, tailgate parties.

Eight shots from that S&W pistol probably ruined a couple hundred pounds of meat.

btw, look at the brush and undergrowth behind them in the picture. Tough place to be messing with a grouchy hog.

Trilby 05-26-2007 08:37 AM

:vomit:

TheMercenary 05-26-2007 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 347223)
No bacon,
I'll bet he could get a good buck for that. You know, Arkansas Razorback tailgate parties and the like. Maybe Razorback opponents, tailgate parties.

Eight shots from that S&W pistol probably ruined a couple hundred pounds of meat.

We go boar hunting a few times each year. You need to shoot them in the ear to kill them with one shot. They are very difficult to kill with any chest shots unless you are shooting from about 45 deg behind them cephlad due to the armor plate on their shoulders. I imagine he shot him with a large calib (.50 cal) handgun to the head.

btw, boar sausage is some of the best. Same for the chili, very good.

rkzenrage 05-26-2007 12:03 PM

My biggest was around 300. I've seen a 700. Thought that was a big hog.
This is certainly a recent gen from a farm release/escape.

busterb 05-26-2007 12:52 PM

WTF is a .50-caliber revolver?

rkzenrage 05-26-2007 01:09 PM

Exactly what it says it is.

busterb 05-26-2007 01:30 PM

As in, maybe black powder? Not the 50cal military round?

rkzenrage 05-26-2007 01:32 PM

No, a .50 cal revolver round.

busterb 05-26-2007 01:33 PM

Ok. I see I'm a few years behind on handguns.

rkzenrage 05-26-2007 01:33 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBmI9JPOPp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ouPShQYTK4
I had this semi for a month, I hated it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__JkOUheyVk

Yznhymr 05-26-2007 06:36 PM

Excellent video! Thanks! :D

Jamison, the 11yo that shot the hog, used a gun like this. It has recoil compensation so that it doesn't jump like the guns in the video. He also used 350 grain bullets, but no other info available about the loads. He's one tough boy to control a hand cannon. I wonder if it would have taken 8 shots for a grown man familiar with that gun???

xoxoxoBruce 05-26-2007 11:40 PM

In the photograph of the kid with the boar, the pistol looks more like a 460XVR.
I wonder if they were mistaken about the caliber or if S&W makes a black 500?

Urbane Guerrilla 05-27-2007 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by busterb (Post 347309)
WTF is a .50-caliber revolver?

Probably .50 Linebaugh. Like a slower, lower-pressure edition of the .454 Casull cartridge. There have been several really wide bore hunting-revolver cartridges invented recently, like the .460 and .475. They generally fall into the category of medium-velocity/very heavy bullet handgun round, for knocking down big heavy critters like this one, including big heavy critters with big sharp teeth.

The revolvers that chamber these cartridges are typically five-shooters, to maximize chamber wall thickness.

That is a LOT of hog there. No wonder they backed the kid up with two rifle-bearing pro hunters.

Buster, you were thinking of the .50 BMG (Browning Machine Gun). If you're not firing that out of an eighty-four-pound M2 .50-cal, plus its 44-lb tripod, it takes a twenty-some-pound Barrett rifle to shoot that. With a very efficient muzzle brake and a springloaded recoil absorber in the action. I'm told with the brake the report is extremely loud, but that the recoil sensation is more of a heavy shove than a punch.

xoxoxoBruce 05-27-2007 12:54 AM

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As previously stated, the ammunition for the big Five Hundred is produced by Cor-Bon in Sturgis, South Dakota. Cor-Bon is well known for producing premium quality high-performance ammunition.

The specifications for the new S&W magnum include a 275 grain Barnes hollow point at 1665 feet-per-second, a 400 grain Hawk soft-point at 1675 fps, and a 440 grain hard cast gas-checked Cast Performance flat nosed lead bullet at 1625 fps.

The case length for the big magnum is 1.625 inches. While I wasn’t able to obtain any of the 400 grain ammunition, I had both the 275 grain load and the 440 grain load available for testing. As you can readily see from the specs, both the 275 and the 440 grain loads are traveling at about the same velocity, and are really each in their own class. The Barnes is built to open up quickly upon impact, and the 440 grain Cast Performance bullet is built for deep penetration on the toughest flesh and bone.

Urbane Guerrilla 05-27-2007 01:10 AM

Useful info. Got a link for it? -- I'll bet there's more, and I'm none too well versed on these out-there revolver cartridges.

xoxoxoBruce 05-27-2007 01:12 AM

You see the line under the first three words?

Urbane Guerrilla 05-27-2007 01:20 AM

Actually, there isn't a line, not in the quote-box anyway. But now that I pass the cursor over, it indicates. Color contrast is really too darn low here.

xoxoxoBruce 05-27-2007 01:24 AM

There's a line on my screen. And they are dark blue instead of black.

zippyt 05-27-2007 01:32 AM

Barnes bullets are VERRY interesting , solid copper , and lighter than lead , but more punch from what I have read ,

Urbane Guerrilla 05-27-2007 01:33 AM

Maybe I have a different skin or something for the site. I've got the brown outlines and bars for the posts and all the buttons are brown -- different with you?

Urbane Guerrilla 05-27-2007 01:34 AM

Barnes designs are for deep penetration and little expansion. Elephant gun tech.

zippyt 05-27-2007 01:41 AM

http://www.barnesbullets.com/products/pistol/
Xpb bullets expand
http://www.barnesbullets.com/product...banded-solids/
These are their monolithic solids

xoxoxoBruce 05-27-2007 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 347433)
Maybe I have a different skin or something for the site. I've got the brown outlines and bars for the posts and all the buttons are brown -- different with you?

Yes, I use the old style, blue shades, vBulletin 3 style. But I just changed to the brown/green style you're using and the line is under the first three words, which are a different color, in post #16.
Curiouser and curiouser.

xoxoxoBruce 05-27-2007 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by zippyt (Post 347435)

Banded Solids would not be a good choice for indoors, methinks. They could go right through a child and ruin perfectly good furniture.

Clodfobble 05-27-2007 04:26 PM

UG, you probably just have to update your browser settings. (This is all assuming you're using Internet Explorer...) Go to Tools --> Internet Options. Click on the Advanced tab, and about halfway down the list you'll see a line that says "Underline links" followed by three bullet choices: Always, Hover, Never.

Choose "Always," and Bruce's link should become underlined for you.

zippyt 05-27-2007 09:16 PM

Banded Solids would not be a good choice for indoors, methinks.

Noppers , they are for Elephants , water buffalo , and the such , DEEp bone chrushing penatration , like they tought us in basic training " if your apponent is bigger than you go for his knees , get him down to your level !!"

rkzenrage 05-27-2007 10:05 PM

A lot of people used to fill in the tips of their bullets with copper.

xoxoxoBruce 05-27-2007 10:16 PM

Isn't a copper slug what they use for shaped charges, to penetrate thick armor?

zippyt 05-27-2007 10:32 PM

Different sorta thing all to gather , shape charges you the The monroe affect , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munroe_effect
not a copper slug persay , but the cavity is lined with copper to help it slid THRU the armor plate , from what I know
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaped_charge

Urbane Guerrilla 05-29-2007 02:53 AM

Well, first it gets blasted into white heat by the hollow-charge explosive -- it's all an improvement on the antitank hollow charge missile of Panzerfaust and bazooka fame, and PIAT too. WW2 tech. In that time, they found a thin copper cone lining the business end of the hollow charge increased its piercing ability; this just seems an advance upon that.

Once formed, it torches its way in. Once it gets in, it sets absolutely everything on fire inside as well as busting everything to fragments, and also burns up all the oxygen. So I suppose the first stage of the fire is brief, but the crew by then is toast.

A DU projectile does a lot the same as far as fire and smashing goes, just by a different launch mechanism: not only is the entire interior hosed, not just showered, with white-hot bits of metal, you've got this nice heavy penetrator ricocheting around inside slowly dispersing its MV, striking more sparks and pretty much cutting up crew, munitions, and machinery into mixed junk, while either burning or exploding the high explosive from the main gun's shells. No wonder burning tanks throw glowing lumps out the hatches, or blow their turrets off.

Returning, somewhat, to thread: Fobble, that's what I should do, thanks. The quote-boxes tend to swallow the contrasts otherwise, and I've got otherwise... hmm, that's for IE, and I'm on Firefox...

Yznhymr 06-02-2007 02:01 PM

Oh the humanity!!! Turns out this hog wasn't so wild after all!

The huge hog that became known as "Monster Pig" after being hunted and killed by an 11-year-old boy had another name: Fred.
The not-so-wild pig had been raised on an Alabama farm and was sold to the Lost Creek Plantation just four days before it was shot there in a 150-acre fenced area, the animal's former owner said.

Story linked here.

Dude, I can't believe the dad would let a story go out like that knowing full well the story wasn't exactly true. Heck, anyone can eventually shoot a 1,050 lb hog trapped on a 150 acre fenced property. I grew up on 26 acres...150 aint very big.

Liars...I hate liars. Exposes a big whole in all of those news outlets, doesn't it???
:rant:

xoxoxoBruce 06-02-2007 02:44 PM

The only difference that I can see, is that the kid might have been able to get closer for the first shot with a farm raised boar. Once it's wounded, it's wild. Farm raised doesn't negate the fact that this animal is capable of killing a man in a heartbeat.

Look at the picture and figure out how you could get through that undergrowth in the background, without making enough noise to alert any critter on the whole preserve.

Yznhymr 06-02-2007 02:49 PM

Yea, good point, but knowing that big fella is out there, I'd probably change tactics. I know that he can't look up, so if I climbed a tree and just waited for him, I can shoot down. kablam. or in his case: kablam, kablam, kablam, kablam, kablam, kablam, kablam, kablam

xoxoxoBruce 06-02-2007 02:52 PM

As long as you're up there, just clamp a knife in your teeth and tackle him.

Yznhymr 06-02-2007 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 350122)
As long as you're up there, just clamp a knife in your teeth and tackle him.

ROTFLMBO :rotflol: The mental picture just won't go away. Good 'un!

rkzenrage 06-02-2007 03:35 PM

Told you it could not have been too far from the farm.

lizzymahoney 06-02-2007 04:28 PM

This doesn't surprise me either. I'm not generally into hunting for sport, but wouldn't a pig raised on a farm be considerably more docile and approachable? I know that farm pigs can easily kill the unwary, and that some have nasty dispositions. I'm just having trouble accepting that these people and the 11 year old kid didn't know the pig was an easy mark.

I also understand that 'easy mark' is relative. Something this size would not come down easy.

One thing that has been bothering me since I first heard about this particular beast's felling by a pre-teen is how do we know Dad didn't take any shots? Yeah, it's huge, but would it be as big a deal if an adult felled it?

It's just a human interest story. As such, it strikes me as a bit of a tall tale. Now why would I think that? It's believable to me that a kid could hunt big game with skills comparable to an adult's. When it makes the news, it's probably adults pushing it forward. As far as what they would have to gain, most people love being in the newspaper.

Clodfobble 06-02-2007 10:17 PM

I'm confused... they bought it, and released it into their own fenced farm, just so they could hunt it?

xoxoxoBruce 06-02-2007 11:08 PM

No, they hunted it at a hunting preserve that had bought and released it.

Clodfobble 06-02-2007 11:19 PM

So someone bought it and released it into their own fenced area so that someone else could pay to hunt it? People are so weird.

xoxoxoBruce 06-02-2007 11:22 PM

There are lot's of hunting preserves in Texas.

TheMercenary 06-03-2007 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 350222)
There are lot's of hunting preserves in Texas.

And they are Fenced in at that, designed to keep the trophy bucks on the inside and closely control the herd. I may go hunt in one in the near future. I just want it to be big enough so it feels less like a pen and more like the natural landscape. Some awsome bucks are raised in these places.


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