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Chewbaccus 05-20-2002 01:04 PM

Questions of Rendell
 
Now, as the elders of this hallowed institution have, for reasons known only to them, stayed in Philadelphia for extended periods of time, I think it only fair I post this question to them:

How shady was Rendell, really?

~mike

Undertoad 05-20-2002 01:34 PM

Not shady at all, especially in comparison to every Philadelphia mayorship before and since. And with the fact that he had to push out some deeply powerful unions in order to privatize, you'd think it would have been much, much worse.

Rendell's one of the finer pols going. Casey Jr. (his opponent for the D governors primary here) is an empty suit whose reign as Auditor General was marked by Nothing Much. The only time he ever got big press was in criticizing the Philadelphia shipyard deal -- a spit at then-Gov. Tom Ridge and future opponent Rendell. But he criticized it two years after the hands were shook, so it was meaningless and totally political.

I urge you to vote Rendell if you have the opportunity.

MaggieL 05-20-2002 02:44 PM

Rendell has made one move that may have been a serious mistake: by taking a position for expanding gun control in the state, he's alienated a lot of folks outside the Democratic strongholds in the big cities. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Undertoad 05-20-2002 02:59 PM

Yes, as soon as one single-issue gun rights voter considers doing something other than pulling the straight R lever, that will become important.

Undertoad 05-20-2002 03:07 PM

OK, on second thought, that's unfair. There are maybe 5% single-issue voters who would *consider* voting for a D over an R, but the multi-issue voters can be swayed at a greater rate.

Undertoad 05-20-2002 03:19 PM

One other thing for Pennsylvania Ds: don't be fooled into voting for Lawless for Lt. Governor. The guy should be returned to private live A.S.A.P. In my opinion.

elSicomoro 05-20-2002 06:02 PM

I didn't want to vote for Rendell just b/c he's from Philadelphia. By the time I moved here, the Village Idiot was in charge (John Street).

Casey seems to be trading on his father's name, and I definitely don't like his positions on abortion and the minimum wage. I like Rendell's background as D.A. and Mayor, I like his stances, and I particularly like the persona, in that he seems to walk his own walk. Fumo hates him (Fumo's a tool), Street seems cold to him (also a tool), and Ed pissed people off in the Democratic Party (while he was running it no less) with the election aftermath. Yep, I gotta go with big Ed.

Incidentally, this will be my first PA election. I didn't register early enough for the Presidential election, and this is the first place I've lived in which you do not receive a notice by mail for voting. My bad. :) But, with a Daily News in hand, I now know where I go to vote in my neighborhood. (The beer distributor had no Inkys, and I wanted to read the little debate Smerconish was having with a city resident...it's an interesting piece.)

elSicomoro 05-20-2002 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Undertoad
One other thing for Pennsylvania Ds: don't be fooled into voting for Lawless for Lt. Governor. The guy should be returned to private live A.S.A.P. In my opinion.
Gee Tony, you didn't run across him in your political days, did you? ;)

For what it's worth, I have no idea who he is, other than his stupid ad on TV, with what I would call the "stereotypical" Philadelphian at the end. To me, the Lt. Governor position is there as a just-in-case situation (like what happened here in PA this year, and in MO 2 years ago). I mean, what do they really do? I had no clue Schweiker was Lt. Gov. when Ridge left, and I only know MD's b/c she's a Kennedy (and will probably win the Governorship there in the next election).

MaggieL 05-20-2002 10:29 PM

Note that at no point do they actually claim that Lawless *is* a Philadelphian....only that he *knows* Philly, with a lot of symbolic claptrap. He isn't a Philly boy...he's local to Tony and my neck of the woods in western Montgomery County; as far as I can see he's never actually lived in the city proper. He was in fact a local rabble rouser who was elected to the state house as a Republican but who switched affiliations last year.

Undertoad 05-20-2002 10:59 PM

I ran across him, yeah, several times. But here are two stories that basically sum this guy up.

Lawless made a big deal about how prisoners in state prisons get cable TV cheap because the prisons negotiate bulk deals with the cable franchises. After a few weeks of ranting and raving on the topic, Lawless finally visited Graterford, the local state lock-up. After seeing how things are there, and having the warden explain that he liked the prisoners having cable because it keeps them occupied and thus not raping and killing each other, Lawless basically slunk away quietly.

Lawless hates the state college system and spends a lot of time messing with it. The last time he took an interest, he heard that Penn State students were scheduling a "sex faire" -- basically, a mostly-harmless informational event that they decided to put on. Figuring he could incilte media coverage and get free publicity, Lawless put out press releases and such, tracking them down to ensure that they weren't using any state funds to put on the event. When they held it on campus, Lawless demanded that the event be banned and students held responsible because some extra money must have gone to maintenance and janitorial costs because of it.

russotto 05-21-2002 02:40 PM

I don't know, Tony; that first Lawless story actually puts him above most politicians. Most wouldn't care what the actual situation at the prison was, just how good the sound bite sounded.

As for Rendell... ugh. I remember Schaefer in MD. Considered a decent Mayor, but earned the title Governor of Baltimore for his antics in that office. And as a non-Philadelphian, I'd be concerned that he'd raise taxes statewide to throw funds at Philadelphia.

Hubris Boy 05-21-2002 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sycamore
I only know MD's b/c she's a Kennedy (and will probably win the Governorship there in the next election).
We're doing all we can to prevent that from happening.

Undertoad 05-21-2002 05:49 PM

Anyway, on seeing the turnout at our local precinct, Rendell is sure to win this thing, and the Casey era may be over. Which would be a great thing.

Y'see, the only reason Casey Sr. won was because he had a certain Democratic strategist on his side: one James Carville. They concocted and ran a last-minute ad attacking their Republican opponent for his teenage indulgence in Transcendental Meditation, and won.

It was an incredible ad. It was the lowest thing I have ever seen. They found pics of the guy in long hair on his college campus and blew them up for the screen. Fake newspaper headlines, scary professional announcer, the whole nine yards. And it was utterly effective, scaring the public silly and causing them to vote for Casey Sr. as the very last minute.

I mean the whole thing was timed perfectly. The ad ran the weekend before the election. There was no time for reporters to get a reaction, no time for editorial writers to write about it or question it.

The Casey Sr. victory made Carville the rising star of political consultants, eventually leading to his management, and victory, of the campaign of Clinton '92.

The Casey Sr. victory also created political shockwaves when they wondered whether there was a new streak of Democrats who were pro-life. There weren't; it was just a big loser, who should have lost but for the meanest, most vicious campaign manager ever to walk the earth.

elSicomoro 05-21-2002 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hubris Boy
We're doing all we can to prevent that from happening.
*laughs* Good luck on that.

Okay, so I got to use this new machine today. A bit confusing at first, but overall, I'd say it's a vast improvement. The flashing red lights could cause seizures though. ;)

However, the vote itself has confused me on one issue. I was under the impression that the redistricting in PA was ruled unconstitutional by the PA Supreme Court. Yet, my section of Philadelphia has now been thrown into the 13th district, and my option for Congress was Joe Hoeffel. Anyone with insight on this? Does that redistricting currently stand until the map is redrawn?

Now to the amusing, which would be the "Official Democratic Ballot" presented by our friends at the Phila. Democratic City Committee. Their choice for guv was Casey. The chairman of this committee is Congressman Bob Brady. The treasurer is John Dougherty.

Even I don't want to see money thrown into the city by the state. But behind the scenes, a Rendell win could be huge not only for Philadelphia, but for SE Pennsylvania as a whole. And besides, it would be fun to see Perzel, Fumo, and Big Ed mix it up. :)

Undertoad 05-21-2002 06:13 PM

It WAS ruled unconstitutional, but then somehow someone also ruled that there wasn't enough time to draw up a new plan in time for the primaries, and that hysteria would reign. So they decided that they would just go with the new plan for this election, and then draw up a new new plan for the next one.

It was the only choice, because they had to cut it down to 21 districts somehow.

Undertoad 05-21-2002 10:43 PM

Rendell wins.

vsp 05-22-2002 09:20 AM

Any time that a Casey loses an election, I am a happy guy.

russotto 05-22-2002 09:24 AM

I see higher taxes and more funds being funnelled into the bottomless pit called Philadelphia in the near future. As a non-result, Philadelphia schools will fail to improve, blight will continue, and people will continue to leave the city.

Griff 05-22-2002 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by russotto
I see higher taxes and more funds being funnelled into the bottomless pit called Philadelphia in the near future. As a non-result, Philadelphia schools will fail to improve, blight will continue, and people will continue to leave the city.
I caught a blurb by Rendell saying he was going to halve the property tax rates (cool) and make up the school taxes from state coffers (oh oh). So we are talking increased income or sales taxes, decreased local control of schools, decreased responsiveness to the community, and increased power to teachers unions since they can concentrate on state politics instead of local politics. If its anything like New York State politics the politicly connected school districts will be rolling in stadium building funds and everyone else will be left out in the cold.

On the other hand, at least the winner wasn't one of the Casey Boys. One of the easiest ways to rule out one of several unknown politicians to scratch out the the one whose Dad held the job before him. Bush Gore Casey Cuomo none of these guys ever did anything in the private or public sector worth bragging about. Heres hoping Carl McCall can get around the machine in NY.

Chewbaccus 05-22-2002 12:58 PM

Y'see, as I am not yet eligble to vote (however I am old enough to hold a job and pay taxes, but that's another time and place), the one issue that mattered to me was the minimum wage increase.

When Casey came out to boost it to $6.65, that made me quite happy, as I make $6.25 at my job now, and Casey would mean an extra 40 cents every hour. With the many hours I work now, it's nothing to sneeze at.

When Rendell came out saying he wanted to raise it not just in PA but nationally, it rubbed me the wrong way for three reasons.

1) He said it after Casey. That is just weak in and of itself.

2) He didn't specify an amount, which screams "insincerity" to me.

3) He wants to raise it nationally as well? What will that do? The idea of raising the minimum wage x amount higher than the national level is to make PA look more attractive for entry-levels and new serfs that are just starting to work. Raise it so the national min wage is the same amount (or even worse, more) and you'll maintain the status quo or stunt PA's economic growth further respectively.

Since I'm not old enough and the community I live in is not progressive enough for other issues to concern me, I wanted Casey to win. I want a job closer to home.

~mike

Undertoad 05-22-2002 03:25 PM

Quote:

He wants to raise it nationally as well? What will that do?
Historically, it increases unemployment and increases inflationary pressure.

Quote:

The idea of raising the minimum wage x amount higher than the national level is to make PA look more attractive for entry-levels and new serfs that are just starting to work.
More attractive to the people who are less likely or able to move; decidedly less attractive the employers who actually create those jobs, and who can generally decide where to set up shop.

There will still be pizza-delivery jobs, but they'll be held by the factory workers displaced by their jobs moving to a more attractive state.

In an economy, everything's connected. Where does the money come from for the increased pay? Not from the greedy business owners -- after decades of minimum wage increases, we still have greedy business owners. The money comes from increased prices on whats sold (thus the inflation) or by cutting back on other costs (thus the unemployment).

So: if there's a min. wage increase, you'll make more money, but everything you buy will cost a little more; it all equals out in the end.

Chewbaccus 05-24-2002 12:34 PM

Dammit Tony, don't touch my illusions. The ones I have left I can count on one hand, and I'm only 17. Try and pop them, and I will hunt you down and kill you like the dog you are.:cool:

Cheers,

~mike

elSicomoro 05-24-2002 06:20 PM

Don't sweat it Mike...work the piddly jobs for now, go to college, get a degree, and hopefully...that's hopefully...you will never again have to worry about the minimum wage until you have children. :)

Undertoad 05-24-2002 09:59 PM

Cue the theme for the old Mike Myers SNL sketch "Middle Aged Man". "Shatter your illusions, sure! Now let me explain how a mortgage works."

Griff 05-25-2002 06:52 AM

huh?
 
Mortgage? Whats that? ;)

Ever wonder who is teaching economics in high schools? In New York, you can teach economics if you have a social science degree, that means one course Econ 101.

elSicomoro 05-25-2002 11:09 AM

Re: huh?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Griff
Ever wonder who is teaching economics in high schools? In New York, you can teach economics if you have a social science degree, that means one course Econ 101.
Whoohoo! I qualify. :)

I loved Econ 101 in college, but I couldn't teach it. Too dry.

Griff 05-25-2002 07:14 PM

ah... NYS teaching certificate as well, sorry bro...

russotto 05-26-2002 08:49 PM

Re: huh?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Griff
Mortgage? Whats that? ;)
A mortgage is an arrangement where you lease property from the government and the bank rather than a landlord. Main disadvantage is it usually requires a substantial down payment. Main advantage is that some of the lease payments are tax deductable and other parts of the lease payments go into something called "equity", which you can borrow from when something goes wrong with the house, or put into the down payment on the next one when you sell the current one.

--MTR, 6 payments into a 20 year...

Griff 05-27-2002 01:06 PM

Well, a 20 sure is better than a 30. I'm glad to be off that treadmill though, one less fingernail on the chalkboard. Now, if I could only eliminate eminent domain, drug war asset seizures, property taxes, snipe huggers...

How to get off the mortgage train...

http://www.shelterinstitute.com/

russotto 05-28-2002 03:18 PM

If you'd ever seen my attempts at carpentry, you'd realize that trying to build my own home just is NOT a viable way off the mortgage train. Think of a house the way Homer Simpson would build it. Now imagine the laws of physics actually apply so such a house doesn't stay up!

elSicomoro 06-06-2002 05:27 PM

A new poll from Quinnpiac University shows Rendell with an 8 point lead over Mike Fisher (45 to 37%). They say that Rendell's support is strong in Philadelphia and its suburbs (Really? ;) )

That's all well and good, but you have the 18% that didn't choose. Rendell will take SEPA easily, but HAS to get some solid support in Pittsburgh and Scranton-Wilkes-Barre to win.

Griff 06-06-2002 05:48 PM

Crack open the pork barrel and SW will be on board in a flash.

elSicomoro 06-06-2002 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Griff
Crack open the pork barrel and SW will be on board in a flash.
I think they already are, really. That's Caseyland. Casey started pushing Rendell the minute he lost.

Both are saying "no mud slinging," but they probably will in the end. You just KNOW that Fisher is going to try and come up with ways to get to Philadelphia voters a la the teacher ads. That's not saying that Rendell won't go dirty, b/c I'm sure he will too...although I don't really know much about Fisher's history to say what Rendell could go after specifically.


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