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Jeboduuza 09-24-2007 05:41 PM

Screw cell phones
 
My cell phone battery only lasts two days. I have to charge it every other day. Screw that I used to have it last like a week, on older cell phones years ago. I heard if you let it completely drain that it's better for the battery than premature charging. Hints and advice?

Happy Monkey 09-24-2007 05:46 PM

Can you charge a battery without the phone connected? If so, you could get a spare battery and swap it out when the one you're using is drained.

Cloud 09-24-2007 05:48 PM

the instructions do say to recharge only when the battery is all the way down. That's kinda impractical, imo though

Jeboduuza 09-24-2007 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 388639)
Can you charge a battery without the phone connected? If so, you could get a spare battery and swap it out when the one you're using is drained.

Oh yeah! Let me go buy another battery for say, half the price of the cell phone itself! Yay perpetual money spending cycle!

:yeldead:

Cloud 09-24-2007 05:53 PM

well, it was just a suggestion

lumberjim 09-24-2007 06:06 PM

what kind of a phone is it? I had a v90 that was like that. fuckin hated it. i bought a new battery, was careful about charging it, and still....2 days max....demand a new phone, yours is defective.

Cloud 09-24-2007 06:12 PM

I have two cell phones, and I notice that the newer one stays charged longer than the older one.

Certain tasks use up more juice, of course, like picture taking. Have you tried turning it off when not in use?

freshnesschronic 09-24-2007 07:19 PM

New technological fones probably will have shitty battery life because they can do so much, media, web browsing, GPS and stuff. Just like the iPhone has 20 minutes of battery life! Especially if you set videos to be backgrounds or enable sounds for scrolling, clicking or backlit your screen too long.

Happy Monkey 09-24-2007 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeboduuza (Post 388643)
Oh yeah! Let me go buy another battery for say, half the price of the cell phone itself! Yay perpetual money spending cycle!

:yeldead:

The price of the cell phone is monthly, an extra battery is once.

Jeboduuza 09-24-2007 07:26 PM

I was thinking the unit price, not the plan. Seems inefficient when both batteries could go by the way side.

monster 09-24-2007 07:56 PM

Are you in a different location during the day than you were when you had your old phone? Beest and I have the same phones, same age, but his battery wears down faster even though he uses his phone less because he works deep in the middle of a concrete dungeon where reception fades in and out, so the phone is constantly searchinmg for a network, connecting etc....

Jeboduuza 09-24-2007 08:00 PM

I never thought of that....searching for the network drains the battery? My coverage isn't the best....I had no idea searching would do that. Thanks for the heads up.

monster 09-24-2007 08:07 PM

yes, it's a huge drain on the battery. We demonstrated that very effectively in the Grand Canyon region this summer!

(it's actually less of a drain if there's no reception at all, as it should go into "power save mode", but if the reception is in and out, it never reaches that stage)

manephelien 09-26-2007 01:51 AM

Continuous searching for a signal drains the battery almost as much as talking on the phone for the same amount of time would, if the signal was good.

Older ni-cad batteries had to be drained to charge properly, newer lithium ones can be charged without going to zero in between.

I like my phone, except that it takes forever to boot it, and it gets snarled up like any other computer device, so you have to do that occasionally.

Clodfobble 09-26-2007 04:26 PM

I have no idea how long my battery would last if I pushed it, because I just charge it every night. I have to take it out of my pocket and put it on the nightstand anyway, so why not plug it in?

freshnesschronic 09-26-2007 04:28 PM

Charging cell phone batteries makes them die faster, or so the story goes...

rkzenrage 09-26-2007 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by freshnesschronic (Post 389369)
Charging cell phone batteries makes them die faster, or so the story goes...

My new one does not work that way.
I just plug it in when I got to bed, don't see the issue.

Clodfobble 09-26-2007 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freshnesschronic
Charging cell phone batteries makes them die faster, or so the story goes...

Could be true... I've personally never had one die though, and I'm one of those people who keeps the phone for at least two years, until they give me another free one.

rkzenrage 09-26-2007 05:52 PM

Older batteries had "memory" so letting die every now and then then charging them back up made them last longer.
This is no longer true.

ZenGum 10-08-2007 08:16 AM

Some things I have heard about phone batteries that may or may not still be true (if they ever were):
* partial charging creates a "high-water mark", beyond which the battery will not charge. For example, if the battery is at 30 % and you charge it to 80% then disconnect, after that it will not charge past 80% no matter how long it is on.
* This can be fixed by taking it to a professional battery maintenance service who will completely drain and completely recharge the battery, which is supposed to erase the high-water mark.
* You can do much the same at home, by completely draining the battery (just keep turning it on every time it goes off), then leave it in the freezer over night (I know, sounds like an urban myth and probably is) then completely charge it up again.

I repeat, I don't know if any of this was ever true or if it still is or if it applies to the batteries in your phone.

Good luck.

ZenGum 10-08-2007 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by monster (Post 388690)
Are you in a different location during the day than you were when you had your old phone? Beest and I have the same phones, same age, but his battery wears down faster even though he uses his phone less because he works deep in the middle of a concrete dungeon where reception fades in and out, so the phone is constantly searchinmg for a network, connecting etc....

I'd be curious to test this.
Beest, Monster, please fully charge your batteries, then SWAP batteries in your phones. See if Beest's still runs flat quicker. Then you'll confirm that it is the searching for network that is doing this, and not some issue with the battery itself.
Just curious

TheMercenary 10-08-2007 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 393065)
Some things I have heard about phone batteries that may or may not still be true (if they ever were):
* partial charging creates a "high-water mark", beyond which the battery will not charge. For example, if the battery is at 30 % and you charge it to 80% then disconnect, after that it will not charge past 80% no matter how long it is on.
* This can be fixed by taking it to a professional battery maintenance service who will completely drain and completely recharge the battery, which is supposed to erase the high-water mark.
* You can do much the same at home, by completely draining the battery (just keep turning it on every time it goes off), then leave it in the freezer over night (I know, sounds like an urban myth and probably is) then completely charge it up again.

I repeat, I don't know if any of this was ever true or if it still is or if it applies to the batteries in your phone.

Good luck.

As RK stated this is not usually true anymore as most technology has moved to the Ni-Mh(newer) vs Ni-Cd (older):

http://www.silverace.com/dottyspotty/issue10.html

There are some good points in the above link about general battery behavior.

monster 10-08-2007 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 393068)
I'd be curious to test this.
Beest, Monster, please fully charge your batteries, then SWAP batteries in your phones. See if Beest's still runs flat quicker. Then you'll confirm that it is the searching for network that is doing this, and not some issue with the battery itself.
Just curious

Well Beest found that if his phone is upright in his pocket rather than flat across the bottom, it is more likely to get reception, so he tried keeping it upright and found that the battery lasted much longer. Of course, it could be just that the charge spills out of the battery when it's tipped over.... ;)

swapping batteries would actually mean we'll have to meet IRL which is a rarety these days, so you may have to wait a while for that experiment. :rolleyes:

Cicero 10-08-2007 02:07 PM

It's funny that you bring this up Jeb:
I beat the hell out of my cell phone a couple of weeks ago. I even made sure it was dead, dead, dead......And the battery? I stomped on it, well jumped on it up an down- and when that did nothing to it, I took out my lighter. That felt really damb good, and although I am embarassed at my cell phone rage:

I will never be sorry for it. Ever.

I tell everyone that I "broke" it and lost their numbers...but really I killed it. I never usually break my things or act out like that.....but somehow I feel so much better. Really.....it was awesome. I now have the courage to discuss it after Mockingbird's photo of what he did to a computer.

Happy Monkey 10-08-2007 02:11 PM

I'm glad you're OK, but I'd like to humbly suggest that burning batteries is not particularly clever.

Madman 10-08-2007 02:21 PM

Cell phones are great except for one thing... People will call you... :cool:

monster 10-08-2007 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Madman (Post 393181)
Cell phones are great except for one thing... People will call you... :cool:

Not if you don't give them the number :)

TheMercenary 10-08-2007 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Madman (Post 393181)
Cell phones are great except for one thing... People will call you... :cool:

Do what I do... keep it off, turn it on, check voice mail, turn it off. Works for me. :D

Cicero 10-08-2007 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 393173)
I'm glad you're OK, but I'd like to humbly suggest that burning batteries is not particularly clever.

Thank you HM....yes...it was like an epiphany. I realized (even in my rage) that I had to stop because I did care if I won a Darwin Award......
Maybe sometime I will be honored with it...but please..not now. I don't think anyone has an acceptance speech prepared for me yet....
:D

Mockingbird 10-08-2007 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cicero (Post 393170)
It's funny that you bring this up Jeb:
I beat the hell out of my cell phone a couple of weeks ago. I even made sure it was dead, dead, dead......And the battery? I stomped on it, well jumped on it up an down- and when that did nothing to it, I took out my lighter. That felt really damb good, and although I am embarassed at my cell phone rage:

I will never be sorry for it. Ever.

I tell everyone that I "broke" it and lost their numbers...but really I killed it. I never usually break my things or act out like that.....but somehow I feel so much better. Really.....it was awesome. I now have the courage to discuss it after Mockingbird's photo of what he did to a computer.

Too bad I don't have pictures of the other laptop... It was fucking up and I took it to a lot of people to try to fix it, finally I gave it to my friend who works at an IBM branch out here and he pronounced it dead.

SooooOOOOoooo, I talked to another friend of mine who is a gun nut, and we took his AK47 and laid into it. That felt even better than the baseball bat.

Cicero 10-10-2007 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mockingbird (Post 393266)
Too bad I don't have pictures of the other laptop... It was fucking up and I took it to a lot of people to try to fix it, finally I gave it to my friend who works at an IBM branch out here and he pronounced it dead.

SooooOOOOoooo, I talked to another friend of mine who is a gun nut, and we took his AK47 and laid into it. That felt even better than the baseball bat.

Wow. Just Wow....
:D
lol!!!

limey 10-10-2007 01:32 PM

We have crap reception here. Nokias are OK, last a week or more (I rarely call anyone, no-one calls me and if they do the phone is on silent and I don't hear it!). I had another brand (can't remember) and it went flat every 24 hours (same calling pattern(!)). Someone explained that to me as battery being exhausted by searching for a signal.


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