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piercehawkeye45 10-07-2007 01:53 PM

How to be happy
 
This is something that I struggled with throughout most of high school but by college, I started figuring out what personally worked for me to become regularly happy. I'm sure these areas will change and get more complex as I get older, get married, and have kids because of changing priorities but I'm trying to find my base right now so I will at least always have something to work off of.

I know there have been disagreements with this theory in the past, but I have found Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs theory to fit in very well for me even though it isn't a perfect match. The theory states that the highest level is self-actualization and assumes that when one reaches that level, he or she will reach their greatest potential for happiness and other aspects of life.

I personally have found self-improvement on both the physical and cognitive level to be the main difference maker once I got my social needs met. I have been socially accepted, both sexual and non-sexual, and confident in high school before but the feeling never matched the euphoria I've had when I started to drastically improve myself. The mindset, I think, is what made it so much better.

Skipping the physical and security needs, what has worked for the people here and how have they changed as you guys have aged? Reading, sharing ideas, constantly reflecting on my life, and analyzing the world around me have worked best for me.



And yes, I do know that I will never be constantly happy, the up and downs of life are very important and I realize that.

DanaC 10-07-2007 02:42 PM

I think part of what allows me to be happy (much of the time), or at least content, was learning to let things go. There are times when an argument, or a fight, is useful and times when it is destructive. I try as much as possible to avoid the latter. Letting certain 'facts' about myself go was also helpful. I have eczema still, but it is not an essential fact of my being. It is not what defines me (except, presumably, at some subconscious level). Every so often, I find my mind travels back to the past and I feel the anger again, that feeling of spinning out of control, of the deck being loaded, the pitch tilted against me...but not so often. When I get a spell of that, I know I have fallen into depression (something else that I no longer cnsider a defining fact). Most of the time, I can think of those years without anger, without having to either relate so strongly to my childself that it is hurtful, or so divorced from as to be unfriendly. Likewise the years of relationship breakdown and my younger adult self.

Most of all, I think, learning not to give myself such a hard time over things has allowed me the headroom to deal with a lot of stuff that was holding me back. Learning to forgive yourself is an important thing, I think. learn the lessons, sure, but learn them kindly.

Probably the final thing I could defintively say has helped in making me a happier person, is actually reaching the conclusion that I don't want children, that I don't mind being the age I am (27-33, I had a serious problem with the whole age thing) and that I might at some point end up in another relationship, which would be alright. And that I might not, and that is also alright.

Cicero 10-10-2007 12:27 PM

Hmmm....good one Pierce.
I think it was important to develop my own ideas and to seek less validation for my subjective reality. I quit keeping track of how I'm feeling every second and dwelling on it. I think it keeps me from naturally changing. And I'm going to agree with Dana about giving myself such a hard time. Everyone does this I think...and it's a definite block to a quality life. I was recently so unhappy and in complete turmoil but there was something telling me: everything may not be as bad as you think....keeping walking in the light. That isn't spirtualist hooey, I just have to remind myself that no matter how bad things are....there are people out there suffering worse than I am, and maybe I should get my pasty ass off the computer or the couch, and go do something for someone else. When I'm too self-serving I fall into misery.

Anecdote:
My husband and I were still dating and I was in between jobs and broke. He wasn't doing so well either. We weren't even scraping by. We had a regular habit of going to help down at the shelter serving food.....This one particular fall Sunday we walked down to the shelter and served the food, and had to grab a bag of bread to go ourselves. We were happy the whole time...and had fun. The point being, don't sit on your misfortunes, and go flipping do something for someone other than "I" or "me" "me". We are comfortable again, and learned to grow our own food...which is also fun. I think happiness is directly related to misfortune I guess........

I think you have to first..let yourself be happy?


Hmmm. Maybe I'll think about it more and come back to this. There is a better point that I feel I should be making.......

Or maybe happiness is just my husband holding a Klondike bar.... yea....that makes the most sense to me I think.
;)

TheMercenary 10-10-2007 01:41 PM

Hmmmm... life advice. Good stuff. How to be happy? Hmmmm I may have to add to this later as well. Oh well here goes for an off the cuff response.

Like the others have said, and some very important lessons so I will try not to repeat them if I can.

1. Learn to control the things you can and don't stress over the things you can't. This sounds so simplistic but if you start to look around you and apply this to every single thing that makes you mad on a daily basis you will find it will relieve a lot of personal stress. Try it as an exercise in the course of a day or a week. Every time you get pissed off about some thing ask yourself, "how much of this situation is in my control and what can I do to change it right now". A lot of the time you will find that you really cannot control alot of what makes you unhappy or angry. Accept it and move on but don't stress over it or even dwell on it. "Whatever" becomes a useful phrase in these situations.

2. Don't hang around people or in situations that make you unhappy. There are people you have to interact with on a daily basis that are really just unpleasant. They may be angry or sad or bitchy or whatever... but that doesn't mean you have to have them home for dinner. Do your business with them and move on. You don't need to engage in long conversations with them, interact only as much as you need to, and then move along. Being around negativity will bring you down. The mood will rub off on you.

3. (leadership principle here) People always want to make their problems your problems. Don't let that happen. Compassion is good, as is empathy, sympathy can be dangerous to your well being. When people bring problems to you always ask yourself is this my problem, their problem, or a system problem. It is rarely your problem, but if they can get you to take on their problem that is not good for you or your personal happiness. People want to make their problems your problems for many reasons. The more they can get you to invest in their problems the less they have to deal with them. Resist it. Help if you can but don't become so invested in the problems that eventually they are your problems and now you have to deal with them.

4. Never pick a career or do a job that makes you say to yourself, "I hate this job" or "I hate going to work". If you do, you need to get out of it and find another job or get another career. Shity jobs will make you unhappy. That doesn't mean you can't do jobs like that as a bridge to something better, most of us do at many times in our life. But don't make it a career or plan on doing it forever.

5. Intimate relationships. This is a tough one and JMHO, so take it for what it is. Don't stay in negative relationships because it is convenient.

I will think on some of this and may add to it... I hope this is constructive.

Undertoad 10-10-2007 02:02 PM

Martin Seligman After he figured out the notion of Learned Helplessness, he turned his attention to happiness versus depression, worked out links between optimism and happiness. If there is an answer I think this guy has it. That said I have only tried to apply his stuff in a half-assed sort of way.

Authentic Happiness website

Griff 10-10-2007 05:24 PM

I initially thought of Maslow as well PH. I've been reading a lot of Buddist stuff, which has helped me appreciate the now, in a not Richard Gere sort of way. I still plan and work for future payoffs, but I try not to continuously revisit things that stress me out. I don't worry at work, I just enjoy the kid time and am hopefully more engaged and productive for it. I've been slowly cutting away the deeply ingrained religous modes of thought that had me seeing things in a negative light, instead focusing on understanding myself. This helped me overcome a very stressful period recently and pulled me out of a truly brutal funk that I'd sunk into. I'm becoming more contemplative and less obsessive. I certainly don't know much, but I know that with a certainty that gives me release. I've taken personal responsibility for my joy and my spirit. I finally realized that it isn't healthy for me to farm out these operations. done babbling... good thread idea

DanaC 10-10-2007 05:27 PM

Yeah, excellent thread idea. I found myself consciously thinking through why I am so much more content these days.

theotherguy 10-10-2007 05:29 PM

Alcohol.

DanaC 10-10-2007 05:30 PM

Oh hell yah. That too. And drugs.

theotherguy 10-10-2007 05:31 PM

I don't like drugs, but I do loves me some whiskey.

Aliantha 10-10-2007 05:59 PM

Happiness is something you decide to be or not. Being 'happy' is not the same as being joyful for example.

to me, happiness as a definition for a way of being means that my basic core feeling for life is peaceful. I know there will be things which will irritate me, but they don't control me. They don't have the power to change my state of being. Sometimes sad things will happen, but again, do I let that feeling control me or do I stay true to my state of being?

I'm not perfect. Far far from it, but I do recognize that most of the time, I can choose to be happy if I want to, regardless of what my immediate circumstances are.

TheMercenary 10-10-2007 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 393766)
I've been reading a lot of Buddist stuff, which has helped me appreciate the now....

Me too. I sort of consider myself a student of the subject, even if it is a half-assed approach because I cannot be a pure full time student... Human failing. Me. My fault. Lama Surya Das has been my mentor. He has written some awsome books. This was the first and best of his books: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...67901574&itm=1

http://www.spiritualityandpractice.c...ers.php?id=227

Any where here they are:

http://www.thebigview.com/buddhism/eightfoldpath.html

Mockingbird 10-11-2007 03:44 AM

Take responsibility for everything that happens around you. Once you find out there's no such thing as 'not my problem', everything else falls into place.

DanaC 10-11-2007 03:54 AM

I disagree. Too many people take responsibilty for things they are unable to affect. That said, lots of people take little responsibility for things they can affect. I think that knowing what you can and cannot affect and taking responsibility accordingly is important for happiness.

TheMercenary 10-11-2007 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 393945)
I disagree. Too many people take responsibilty for things they are unable to affect. That said, lots of people take little responsibility for things they can affect. I think that knowing what you can and cannot affect and taking responsibility accordingly is important for happiness.

Exactly. That is what I was trying to say.

skysidhe 10-11-2007 02:36 PM

Lately I've been thinking about how to make a life change. I think this will bring me happiness.?It may not but I am in the pursuit of happiness. Things are going well and it is time for me to look out for me. I've been so stoic in the past just as a survival mechanism now I have a new lease. My situation is changing just in time for my mid life -non- crisis. The crisis is behind me. It's a new feeling.

skysidhe 10-11-2007 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 392817)
I know there have been disagreements with this theory in the past, but I have found Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs theory to fit in very well for me even though it isn't a perfect match. The theory states that the highest level is self-actualization and assumes that when one reaches that level, he or she will reach their greatest potential for happiness and other aspects of life.


Skipping the physical and security needs, what has worked for the people here and how have they changed as you guys have aged? Reading, sharing ideas, constantly reflecting on my life, and analyzing the world around me have worked best for me.



And yes, I do know that I will never be constantly happy, the up and downs of life are very important and I realize that.

I think my last post answers a small bit of your question. I think as a parent a person can put all of their energy just making things 'right' because they are not. Needs met is a bit motivator but what happens when the children grow up? One needs something else to be motivated about. The only thing that I can see that needs improvement now is me.
I have raised a wonderful kid. He is getting top scores and he has great wisdom and strength. It's a new day. It's a new day for me too.

Mockingbird 10-12-2007 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 393945)
I disagree. Too many people take responsibilty for things they are unable to affect. That said, lots of people take little responsibility for things they can affect. I think that knowing what you can and cannot affect and taking responsibility accordingly is important for happiness.

Yeah, maybe I was being unclear. I was referring to things that happen to you which may not be your fault, but you try to ignore them hoping that they'll go away or someone else who actually caused the problem will fix it. It's that sort of 'live and let god' mentality that I'm referring to. I've found if I take responsibility for a lot of stuff I would otherwise ignore, things tend to sort out better.

Then again, maybe I'm just one of those people who thinks everything is my fault. :eek:

Cicero 10-12-2007 11:23 AM

I just spent 40 minutes on a good post and lost it. I knew I wasn't qualified to speak about this topic!! Aaah!

No really, I'll have to come back to this again.....after I learn pateince.

ZenGum 10-12-2007 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Cicero (Post 394378)
I just spent 40 minutes on a good post and lost it. I knew I wasn't qualified to speak about this topic!! Aaah!

No really, I'll have to come back to this again.....after I learn pateince.

Cicero's guide to happiness:
Reach 1,000 posts before Zengum ... no matter what you have to post to do it.
:D
Love ya Cic.

TheMercenary 10-12-2007 11:41 AM

Another variation on what some have said: figure out a way for someone to pay you to do your hobby and make a living out of it.

Cicero 10-12-2007 12:12 PM

Zen....I haven't even posted photos of the tick my balls yet.....quit complaining!
:)

I haven't even posted photos of my ass or started a thread about it.....jesus...you are too new to be this hard to please.

ZenGum 10-12-2007 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cicero (Post 394387)
Zen....I haven't even posted photos of the tick my balls yet.....quit complaining!
:)

I haven't even posted photos of my ass or started a thread about it.....jesus...you are too new to be this hard to please.

Hey, Monster asked me for that photo. It was just there to draw attention to my "You sound like a horny moose" thread.

It was all meant in fun. ;)

glatt 10-12-2007 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 394380)
Another variation on what some have said: figure out a way for someone to pay you to do your hobby and make a living out of it.

Nah, that's just a good way to take the fun out of a hobby.

TheMercenary 10-12-2007 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 394406)
Nah, that's just a good way to take the fun out of a hobby.

Who cares if they are paying you for it.

piercehawkeye45 10-13-2007 10:57 AM

But you can lose control over what you are doing.

Stormieweather 10-14-2007 10:37 AM

I believe the secret to happiness is to create it within and stop looking externally for something/someone else to give it to you. I firmly believe that no one can 'make' another person happy or unhappy, it is your reaction to their behavior that is the source of your emotions. Learned reactions can be retrained and changed, if you work at it.

Internal happiness generally starts with acceptance of your strengths, weaknesses, triumphs and failures. An intimate knowledge of your inner self is necessary. Surround yourself with people and things that enhance your life rather than diminish it. Be assertive in getting your needs met and don't be afraid to say no when potential situations will be detrimental to your well-being.

Works for me.

Stormie

xoxoxoBruce 10-15-2007 08:29 PM

How to be happy
 
Kill everyone that annoys you.

toranokaze 10-19-2007 03:15 PM

Quote:

You should wake up each day and give thanks to the Great Spirit, and if you find no reason to give thanks than the fault lays only with you

Flint 10-19-2007 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 395505)
Kill everyone that annoys you.

*Kill everyone that is "intolerably irritating" ...

Cicero 10-19-2007 05:01 PM

Was someone calling me? oh. Hi....

:)

Undertoad 03-04-2019 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mockingbird (Post 394366)
Yeah, maybe I was being unclear. I was referring to things that happen to you which may not be your fault, but you try to ignore them hoping that they'll go away or someone else who actually caused the problem will fix it. It's that sort of 'live and let god' mentality that I'm referring to. I've found if I take responsibility for a lot of stuff I would otherwise ignore, things tend to sort out better.

That is one of Jordan Peterson's basic tenets. via Guardian

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Originally Posted by The Guardian article on 12 Rules for Life
“It’s all very well to think the meaning of life is happiness, but what happens when you’re unhappy? Happiness is a great side effect. When it comes, accept it gratefully. But it’s fleeting and unpredictable. It’s not something to aim at – because it’s not an aim. And if happiness is the purpose of life, what happens when you’re unhappy? Then you’re a failure. And perhaps a suicidal failure. Happiness is like cotton candy. It’s just not going to do the job.”

But how do we build meaning? By putting it before expediency. Which is quite close to simply “acting right”. Peterson believes that everyone is born with an instinct for ethics and meaning. It is also a matter of responsibility – you need to have the courage to voluntarily shoulder the great burden of being in order to move towards that meaning. This is what the biblical stories tell us. The great world stories have a moral purpose – they teach us how to pursue meaning over narrow self-interest. Whether it’s Pinocchio, The Lion King, Harry Potter or the Bible, they are all saying the same thing – take the highest path, pick up the heaviest rock and you will have the hope of being psychologically reborn despite the inevitable suffering that life brings.

"voluntarily shoulder the great burden of being" -- is one of those unmistakably Peterson phrases. But it's the whole thing, innit? That there is life.

Griff 03-04-2019 05:01 PM

'tis

jkg 03-15-2019 07:59 AM

Binge eating is total bliss

henry quirk 03-19-2019 08:09 PM

bein' happy
 
First, lean into life. (edit: fuck that...do *this instead)

Second, crush your enemies, drive them before you, take pleasure in the lamentations of their women.









*"I've bought a big bat. I'm all ready you see. Now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!" -Seuss

PhuctIfiNo 03-19-2019 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by henry quirk (Post 1028664)
First, lean into life. (edit: fuck that...do *this instead)

Second, crush your enemies, drive them before you, take pleasure in the lamentations of their women.

*"I've bought a big bat. I'm all ready you see. Now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!" -Seuss

I don't know if I should be creeped out by this or if maybe we are distant relatives. :lol:

Are you from Texas?

xoxoxoBruce 03-19-2019 11:55 PM

Henry's from the real America, but he left out drinking from the skull of your enemy. :skull:

slang 03-20-2019 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by henry quirk (Post 1028664)
First, lean into life. (edit: fuck that...do *this instead)

Second, crush your enemies, drive them before you, take pleasure in the lamentations of their women....

Always interesting reading your posts HQ. Sometimes confusing but always interesting. And thank you for allowing me to reasonably consider myself somewhat normal in comparison.

You wouldn't be from Texas by any chance, would you?

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Originally Posted by PhuctIfiNo (Post 1028670)
I don't know if I should be creeped out by this or if maybe we are distant relatives. :lol:

Are you from Texas?

Hey Phuct. Nice to see you here. It's been a while. My regards to BeatsTheShit

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 1028678)
Henry's from the real America, but he left out drinking from the skull of your enemy. :skull:

Ah, the real America...from the skull, yah. Those were the days. When you could keep your annoying neighbor's severed head in a jar of formaldehyde, eyes open, to show off for your friends and relatives.

Oh crap! Here he comes! Ahhh he's here!

ThreadHijackMan 03-20-2019 07:16 AM

Yessss.

Happiness is bending a thread into a completely different direction with no shame or reluctance.

To be completely incoherent but without the need to be. A tool of sorts. The utility of jumping in to change the flow.

So that others might not have to.

henry quirk 03-20-2019 08:30 AM

"Are you from Texas?"
 
no

henry quirk 03-20-2019 08:32 AM

"he left out drinking from the skull of your enemy"
 
doin' that is more trouble than it's worth

henry quirk 03-20-2019 08:34 AM

"thank you for allowing me to...consider myself somewhat normal in comparison"
 
you're welcome

slang 03-20-2019 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by henry quirk (Post 1028693)
doin' that is more trouble than it's worth

Maybe make a mold from the skull and then make a casting of some variety that's a bit easier to keep clean. :)

Griff 03-20-2019 08:40 AM

Too derivative, there are food grade oils that would do the trick after the ants are done picking.

henry quirk 03-20-2019 08:45 AM

easier to leave the carcass be...end the meat and move on
 
:thumbsup:

xoxoxoBruce 04-15-2019 01:00 AM

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Happy is a matter of perspective, aim low...

Gravdigr 04-15-2019 11:47 AM

Happy can kiss my ass. If I ever see Happy again, Ima kick him in squa his nuts, and when he bends over to hold his bruised, swelling balls, Ima kick him in the mouth.

Undertoad 04-15-2019 11:51 AM

So you're saying beer and women weren't enough.

Gravdigr 04-15-2019 11:59 AM

I'm thinking there wasn't enough beer and women.

Glinda 04-15-2019 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PhuctIfiNo (Post 1028670)
I don't know if I should be creeped out by this or if maybe we are distant relatives. :lol:

Are you from Texas?

Hey, hey, hey now! Not everyone born and raised in Texas is a nutcase like our buddy, hq.

Yeah, I'm a bit of a rebel with an "Oh yeah? Well, fuck you!" attitude, but not in a bad way. I don't ever fuck with anyone unless/until they fuck with me. (To be honest, though, if/when that happens, the gloves are off, motherfucker.)

I was lucky enough to get out at age 10 with the good kind of Texan-ness (plain-spoken, take-no-shit, dependable and reliable, hard-scrabble and hard-working) before I could be permanently infected with the bad sort of Texan-ness (bat-shit nuts, kill-'em-all-and-sort-'em-out-later, freakazoid hater).

And for that, I'm immensely grateful. :yesnod:

xoxoxoBruce 04-16-2019 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Glinda (Post 1030433)
(To be honest, though, if/when that happens, the gloves are off, motherfucker.)

I like that in a woman. ;)

PhuctIfiNo 04-17-2019 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 1030400)
Happy can kiss my ass. If I ever see Happy again, Ima kick him in squa his nuts, and when he bends over to hold his bruised, swelling balls, Ima kick him in the mouth.

Firearm might be a time saver on that? And more humane?

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 1030402)
So you're saying beer and women weren't enough.

:) This is perfect.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glinda (Post 1030433)
Hey, hey, hey now! Not everyone born and raised in Texas is a nutcase like our buddy, hq.

I don't really think Mr. Quirk is a nutcase.

Not all Texan men are Whacko Right Wing Extremists™ that handle snakes at church or Gun Finger Spinning Jackasses™

But what a better place it would be if they were. :)


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