University to students: 'All whites are racist'
 

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=58426
BRAVE NEW SCHOOLS
University to students: 'All whites are racist'
Mandatory program 'treats' politically incorrect attitudes


Insanity... this is racism, pure and simple, even though it is a social term.

Of course, that there is only one race... the human race.
Some just have more melanin and some equatorial adjustments than others, nothing more.
Same race.

What? So a black guy from a nice middle class family with his own business, or a black guy in the police force can't back up his discrimination if he is racist towards people of arabic or mexican descent?

*shakes head* that's just ridiculous.

This really backs my theory that communism/socialism is being pushed at many of our universities.
This is not really about "race", it is against capitalism.

wtf has any of that to do with socialism? also socialism and communism aren't the same thing.

that still isn't socialism rk. It may be an attack on laissez faire capitalism or the consumerist society but socialism's a little more than just anti-consumerism and a desire to end racist oppression

The only way to end racism is to stop acknowledging the myth of "race".

That only works if everybody acknowledges it. If it's just you and the poeple who think like you, that's all very well, but it doesn't help the black kid who keeps getting pulled by the cops for no good reason.

There is a point where you just outlive them and educate their kids out from under them until those who still cling to it are ignored and ostracized.
Then society will not tolerate those people being in a police uniform, they will speak-up and stop them when it happens like they should.
Flat Earth.

*thinks about that*

I'd like to think you're right on that. I fear they're doing plenty of educating their kids themselves.

But..either way. If you'e right, then what you are talking about is generational change. In the meantime the problem persists.

Do you really think you can change a "racists" mind?

*thinks*

Sometimes. But mainly if they change they change themselves. I've known a few reformed racists in my time. I know of some interesting cases too. There was an interview with a guy who was a prominent member of the NF during the late seventies, early eighties. He was one of the football hooligan, terrace fascists. He and a couple of his mates got into clubbing in the late eighties, early nineties. Got into ecstacy and the loved up rave scene and totally changed. He's now married to a black lass.

I know some too, related to one and friends with another.
Yes, they change themselves alone, through observation.

I do think that education through schools can help. When I was at secondary school in the 80s, most of the schools in my town were quite racially mixed and promoted a multi-cultural attitude. We celebrated Christmas and easter, harvest festival, and eid and ramadam. Come to think of it so was primary school.
For the most part my generation in that part of the country are pretty non racist.

Where I live now, we have very segregated schools (de facto, not de jure :P) and the generation growing up in them are much less cohesive.

As I stated, taking the attitude that focusing on differences would just not be tolerated (like todays intentionally segregated dorms & stupid-centers... those would be out, you could not separate yourselves based on melanin content).
I have no issue with teaching different cultural backgrounds as long as none are preferred, like giving two weeks off for an xian holiday and none for muslim or pagan ones.

If parents get to choose which school they send their children to, the majority send them to schools where the children are predominantly from the same cultural background.

Its very difficult to stop that process without imposing diversity which then becomes resented and a cause of alarm.

Same with regard to the 'white flight' problem in housing.

People should be sent to the local school and be allowed to live where they want... part of ignoring melanin.

*smiles* yes they should. But unfortunately the result is that people aren;t ignoring melanin. They are making decisions based on race and culture.

So you want to do what the University is doing, indoctrinate them and their kids against their will?
BTW, I don't believe that those who move to the burbs do so because of race, urban myth.
As soon as people of color get the jack they do the same thing.

Nope. Nothing as crass as what the university is suggesting.

What I was saying, is that in fact i don't know the answer. I was pointing out some cultural changes in my own country which occurred when the way in which school places were allocated changed and the demographic mix of our schools began to change with it. I do believe you can use state education to promote a healthy attitude towards your fellow citizens and good community cohesion. On its own it isnt a silver bullet but done right it can help with that generational change.

I'm not talking about people moving to the 'burbs. I am talking about people moving from one part of town, or one street to another in order to be amongst a cultural mix they feel more comfortable with and in order to ensure their children go to a school that doesn't have a high proportion of non-white pupils. It's not a myth it's a well documented trend. I have no idea whether or not it applies in the states, I just know it applies over here.

In terms of 'people of colour' doing the same, I don't doubt it.

True story: theres an area f my town which became the main settlement point for our Irish community. They faced terrible anti-Irish sentiment if they tried to move into other parts of town and they sought out people with similar backgrounds and experiences in order to provide each other with a support circle. As time went on attitudes towards the Irish began to alter, and the Irish community became more settled and around the same time, there was a new wave of immigration from Kashmir.

As the new immigrants moved into the area where the Irish had traditionally based themselves, they faced racism from without that area and within. The Irish for their part moved out in large numbers.

Part of this is because house prices were thought (and possibly did, i don't know for sure) to go down on the street when an asian family moved in. One family moves in people get afraid that more of them will follow and put their house up for sale. Because there is an asian family or two living in that street and there are a few houses for sale on it, it makes sense for the incoming asian families to consider buying there. As the mix of the street changes, during a time of racial tension and fear more of the white (or Irish in the example above) move out.

In terms of schooling. The ward I represent is a fairly racist place. My main political opponents (and they came very close behind me) are a far right, white supremacist party. When I go knocking on doors in that ward people are racist. People are upset at the very small number of immigrants who've moved into the area. One woman told me she'd moved her child to a different school because 'a paki had come into her year'. Not her class mind....her year.

I don't know what the answer is. To remove choice would be to impose those values in a heavy handed way and would likely exacerbate the situation, at least in the short term. But...there was much less emphasis on parental choice when I was at school and that is something which has changed. There have been positive effects from that change, but there have also been negative effects. The main negative effect has been the facilitation of people's desire to self-segregate.

This is the most crazy definition of racism I have ever seen. It's so damn crazy I wonder if it wasn't deliberately put together by some closet white supremacist in order to provoke a backlash.

It is true that white people in the USA (and Australia) are benefiting from a historically racist system. That doesn't make all of them racist. There are many white people who work to alleviate the problem.
It is true that black people are still disadvantaged by the lingering effects of that system. That does not mean they cannot be racist.
The weirdest thing about this definition is that it makes it impossible for white people to ever stop being racists. So why bother trying?
No, the weirdest thing is that it is itself racist, by any sensible definition of "racist", such as "making judgments about people based on their race".
What mind-boggling bullshit.
Just wondering, not long ago I heard about a University in the states (maybe Georgia?) that still bans inter-racial dating. Is this still the case? Where is it? How far is it from this university here? Can we arrange an exchange program? :p

crazy indeed. "All whites are racist" is a mind-boggling statement to me. People are racist. All people persecute the "different."

Education about diversity is a worthwhile thing, IMO, but not from this premise.

ETA: I see they stopped the program now.

That article sets my bullshit meter off the scale. Something is being mis-stated or mis-represented. Those are twisty words.

I'm of a like mind, Perry Winkle. While I there's some stupidity in every group of people, and Universities are not excluded from that, this kind of program as presented would have had people screaming bloody murder at it's inception. It's probably a milder form of stupidity, rather than this heavy handed type thing.

ha haa!!! That's funny...Saying all whites, despite individual qualities, are racist is racist .
That has to be a joke!
:)

well, it certainly doesn't appear to be a joke. There's a message from the University president about it on the UDelaware website.

It appears to be a big joke to me...I guess it's one of those subjective opinion things...oh wait, I'm white...we're all alike...nevermind!!

lol!!!

I remember back when I was in high school, some of the students were using a similar definition of racism. I guess whoever was spreading it back then was successful.

I have a few friends that say you can't be a racist if you are dark.
I screw with them incessantly when it gets brought up.
"Spray tan, diversity in a bottle!"

I've heard that before too. It basically comes down to power. Whites can be racist because they have the power to influence others while people with darker skin don't have that power so they can't.


Eh, I try to avoid this defining racism for this reason, no one will agree on a one.

I have stated before, I did not get a scholarship and two promotions in a row that I was the most qualified (yes, those who were in charge of the decisions told me, they were pissed at being over-ruled) because I am white and male.
That being in the majority makes you immune is a myth, a HUGE one... a myth and a lie.

Correct it doesn't make you immune. It does make you disproportinately likely not to be blocked in promotions, with affirmative action not fully balancing out that trend. But no...doesn't make you immune. The idea that because you are white that alone is power, is a rather unfortunate misunderstanding of the world. Because we mostly all know someone who gives the lie to that, such assertions really don't help the cause, rather they reduce the impact of much truer assertions: that a significant portion of the white community is disproportionately powerful and a significant portion of the black community is disproportionately powerless.

Cold comfort if you happen to be the white guy who lost out to the positive discrimination method, or was raised in some hell hole of a sink estate. Rk, you lost out. That's unfair. But statistically what was bad luck for you is often the norm for another part of the community.

So yeah, you're right, being in the majority ethnic group doesn't make you immune from unfair practices but it makes it significantly less likely.

A rather simplistic view aye. People can be racist. All people can be racist. The effects and impact of that racism, however, may be very different depending upon whether you are of the more, or less powerful group in society. Even if you as a white individual are powerless, the system is still set up to protect your interests more than it is to protect the interests of an 'equally' powerless black individual. Even if you are a relatively powerful black individual, the system will never protect your interests as vehemently as it would protect the interests of an 'equally' powerful white individual.

On an individual basis, however, the system is not always what is in play. Power comes from relationships as much as from the system. If a black, racist policeman harrasses a poor white family in a trailer park, that is as destructive to that family as a white, racist policeman pulling over black kids with no reason.

In England?

Yep.

I suspect in the USA as well. The most powerful interests are white.

The old money and the almost unbreakable network connections are white too. Any black Brits with power came by it comparatively recently in our history. I'm not justifying it btw.

Looking at the most powerful families/political and commercial 'dynasties' in America, I get the impression a similar situation exists there.

People perpetuate racism by insisting that it exists ... that the problems of inner city Blacks are problems only because whitey is keeping them down, that Hispanics can't get anywhere because blanco won't let them illegally enter this country and suck social services dry, that Asians are pretty much capable of success wherever they plant roots.

Hmm. Maybe the issue is initiative, family support, and values rather than color.

What a concept.

And here I always thought that people perpetuate racism by...being racist.

If being proud of being white means I'm a racist, then so be it ... but I don't treat people who are black, brown, yellow, or red any differently than I do folks who happen to be white.

Why would being white be something to be proud of? I've never understood that line of thought. I can understand pride in one's looks....or one's culture...natgionalty even....but skin colour? Why is skin colour something to be proud of?

Blacks are poor because they blame others for their problems, don't support their families and have no values other than bitching. Don't you get that what you JUST posted was racist?? You seem to think that an entire group of arbitrarily selected people is only in their situation because they suck.

"Didn't it ever occur to whites that maybe they should stop concentrating on color? If you didn't get the job you qualify for because of 'affirmative action,' why didn't you work even harder so the black guy couldn't possibly get it? How about if they really wanted to change affirmative action, maybe they should get off their asses and vote to change the system. What a concept." Don't you see how those kind of idiotic generalizations fall far from the truth?

And Dana's right, wtf is with white pride? If you're proud of being white, that unarguably implies that you think there's something better about being white than some other skin color.

And finally, it is true that someone who gets pushed down by the powerful social forces keeping them in place can work real hard and get out of their situation. But here's a question: why should they have to work harder (Often much harder)to get something that I get for free? My parents paid for part of my college, every once in a while they would loan me money for rent/food, and the fact that I went to a nice High School meant it was easier for me to get to school. I could have had a full time second job, it's possible, but I didn't have to. It would have made it a LOT harder, don't we think?

Education and the ability to build your social status is something everyone should get. If it's in our power to change those social forces, it's pretty selfish and lazy to not.

Yeah, I kinda don't get that either. Of course there was the black pride movement, but I think that was more an issue of political awareness.

I value my heritage, my country and its history. I doubt I would ever baldly state that I am proud to be white, but if asked the question I would apply in the affirmative. I don't feel superior and I agree that I did nothing to contribute to its history (yet) but I am glad to be here and happy to say it.

I'm fat and not proud of it, at least leave me something :)

Come on now ... there's Black Pride, Hispanic Pride, Gay Pride, Pagan Pride ... but mention White Pride and it's a hate crime. Why is that?

because the others are political movements designed to promote rights for the powerless. Whites already have the power.

Those others are political movements for ethnic solidarity in order to gain power. Similar organizations for whites will be taboo until whites are knocked out of power to a large degree, I guess.

The fact that the Holocaust and black slavery are so recent tends to distort the picture for many.

this is all a load of BS. Pride in your color? why? it is stupid regardless of what your pigment turns out to be. Be proud of who you are. Be proud of what you've accomplished. Be proud of how well you care about/for your family. Be proud of having the willpower to get out of bed and DO something every day.

But being proud of a color? doesn't make sense. Neither does any program or artificial system that takes into account color, ethnicity, sex, or sexual preference. That is bullshit.

If I am a major corporation or government agency that is hiring, my ONLY consideration for who gets the job should be the qualifications of the people seeking to fill the job. Giving the job to someone who is less qualified because they fit the definition of some minority group is in and of itself discrimination.

Well put look.
There is no reason to be proud of anything you have not done.
I like reading about all culture, not just those I am attached to by coincidence.
Color?
No one is the same color as another.
Punk ass bitches with nothing will do anything to feel special.
Do something then talk to me.

Any ____ pride = bigotry.

BTW, I know far more dark "racists" than white, what is worse they feel that it is justified. At least most of the light racists I know are ashamed of it. Morons.
I ask them what everyone's race is now that we know everyone is from Africa and that I now call myself African and they usually just don't want to talk about it.

Someday in the far future everyone will be a uniform light brown in color.

It will be kind of sad if everyone looks the same.

Reminds me of the classic Trek episode with the half-white/half-black people.

I have a hard time being proud of my skin. It's kind of pastey. Not really fun to look at. But I'll be damned if I will sit in a tanning booth again. My husband is not so proud of my skin either...but he hates tan-lines too...so I'm kind of screwed. (No matter how concealed... there are always tan-lines) I'm scotch/irish...I'm pre-disposed to skin cancer and well, all cancer because I'm hedon. So I try not to push it with the tanning, sunlight thing. I however, am proud of my husband's skin because he's hot. (not that I would fly it as a flag or anything) And it will not always be so, so I have to deeply appreciate these things now before they are over. I will tell you that there a ton of photos being taken.....what was the question?

To understand black versus white pride you have to look at how they started.

Black, Hispanic, Gay pride was started because society told these groups that they should be ashamed of who they are and then the pride movement was reactionary to that.

Never has overall society told whites to be ashamed of their skin, so the only reason for white pride is jealously of black pride or a counter moment to black pride, which is more or less baseless and childish.

Although, skin color is different from heritage. Heritage actually as some meaning, where as skin color, like hair or eye color, means shit.

The majority of people are like that now and they all don't look the same.

No...now it's appropriate to be ashamed of your skin. Racist.


Hey and if we are the only people with enough power to enforce hate crimes then we can do it to each other and wipe each other off the map......racists are an inferior race.
Oooh. The spin is so biting.
:)

Good morning vietnam I need lunch. Otherwise there won't be food in my hands and I'll keep typing.

Gay pride is just as stupid as "racial pride".
Proud of how you were born?
Makes no sense.

you may not like the nomenclature, but I believe such social movements by minorities are valuable in order to educate and increase awareness when human rights are being violated.

Setting yourself apart as a group is counterproductive, it plays into the hands of the opposition.
Stating that anyone can be gay, the stereotype is a falsehood and choosing to ignore it, instead turning your back on those who are ignorant instead of playing into their hands, has always been the most effective means of fighting.
You remove the target, call it guerrilla warfare.

That would make sense as an argument if hitherto well accepted and respected groups of socety had decided to separate themselves in that way. Actually Gay Pride is e response to the fact that they were already separated off from and by society and singled out as worthy of moral opprobrium purely on the basis of their sexuality.

They didn't single themselves out, they were singled out by the rest of society. LIkewise the Black Pride movement was a response to a particular cultural norm which sent a message, loud and clear, to anybody with dark skin that they were less than those with white skin. Again, they did not choose to separate themselves from a previously harmonious situation. They were separated off by both de facto and de jure segregation and treated as second class (and earlier as less than human) citizens.

When society, government and law all tell black people that their legal status, intelligence, capability and culpability and even attractiveness is dicated by their skin colour/racial heritage and that to be considered truly competant, culpable, intelligent and beautiful they need to be white or of European descent, then it is a reasonable and appropriate response to attempt to redress that. You cannot bring the see saw back into balance if you don't apply weight to the other side.

ok, so once upon a time someone thought people with dark skin were inferior and discriminated against them. so a movement based on the idea that "we are not inferior" blossomed. yay. but how do we get from there to discriminating against another group as the solution?