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Aliantha 03-24-2008 05:50 PM

The Olympics and Tibet
 
This is becoming a big news item in Australia and across the world. Yesterday, the torch lighting ceremony was disrupted by protestors on behalf of the people of Tibet causing embarrassment to the Chinese delgates who were speaking at the time.

If these protests continue through the length of the torch journey - the longest in the history of the Olympics - will it be enough to force the issue of Tibet within the Chinese government? Will it be enough to unite athletes against the Chinese governments policy regarding Tibet?

Who will boycot these games?

kerosene 03-24-2008 05:54 PM

I don't have cable, so I will be boycotting them by default.

Aliantha 03-24-2008 05:58 PM

We get the Olympic telecast on free to air over here. 300 hours worth.

It's not really fair that only cable users can see the worlds greatest athletes in action...unless you're not interested I suppose.

deadbeater 03-24-2008 06:07 PM

Don't boycott the Olympics. For the Chinese, I think embarrassment should be enough. During the Olympics, every five minutes all conversation should be about Tibet, like clockwork.

kerosene 03-24-2008 06:09 PM

It is possible that we get it free somehow, here, too. I refuse to try to get any television reception, however and persist in using "I don't have cable" as an excuse for being the most out of touch human on the planet.

Aliantha 03-24-2008 06:11 PM

Oh right, so it's not just the Olympics then Case? ;)

Cloud 03-24-2008 09:39 PM

cat killers. freedom killers. culture killers. just killers.

boycott, I say!

Sundae 03-25-2008 05:33 AM

We're a little worried here, as we are providing 200-400 local children to form the Chinese Olympic symbol when seen from above at the end of the Torch Run through the London boroughs hosting the games in 2012. Not that we believe that any demonstration would harm the children, just that parents might keep them away after watching the news.

It would be a shame - it's a big thing to have been involved in the Olympics, however tenuous the connection.

Personally I think the whole issue of human rights should have been thought through more carefully before the Olympic committee awarded the games to China - it's a little late to worry about it now. I do sincerely hope that with the eyes of the world trained on them, some pressure can be brought to bear on the Chinese Govt. However with such a huge and relatively insular country to administer I would suggest they don't really have to listen to anyone.

smoothmoniker 03-25-2008 10:41 AM

I think the selection of China was an optimistic choice, a way of recognizing China's moves toward being more open and free, and perhaps a way of prompting them to continue down that road.

But the committee didn't realize how deeply rooted the Chinese instinct is to impose control and secrecy when they perceive a threat. Rather than the Olympics being an impetus to discuss peace-making options with Tibet, they became an internal justification for squashing anything that subverted the face China wishes to show the world.

Flint 03-25-2008 11:34 AM

After this, China will be bitter and defensive towards the world community, and withdraw further into their own fucked-upedness.

kerosene 03-25-2008 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 441318)
Oh right, so it's not just the Olympics then Case? ;)

I am boycotting the commercials. :D

TheMercenary 03-25-2008 11:14 PM

I don't think the Olympics participation or non-participation should be used as a political tool.

Trilby 03-26-2008 10:45 AM

I think Olympians should go back to nude competition. Then I'd watch.

TheMercenary 03-26-2008 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 441701)
I think Olympians should go back to nude competition. Then I'd watch.

Good God you are on to something. Think of the womens gymnastics competition.... Ok, I'm in.

:fumette:

lookout123 03-26-2008 10:58 AM

Except the women are all 12. Not cool. Now if you bring back the girls from the 2000 olympics for your nude competition then you're on to something.

Trilby 03-26-2008 11:04 AM

I'd forgotten about the 12 year old girls. When you hear "Women's gymnastics" you just automatically think "women" and not "little girls"---I was thinking more along the lines of men's pole vaulting.

TheMercenary 03-26-2008 11:06 AM

Good point, you can only compete nude if you are 18 years old or greater.

lookout123 03-26-2008 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 441713)
I'd forgotten about the 12 year old girls. When you hear "Women's gymnastics" you just automatically think "women" and not "little girls"---I was thinking more along the lines of men's pole vaulting.

You know the "pole" isn't what it sounds like, right?

Shawnee123 03-26-2008 11:59 AM

lol...I've ran into 3 lookout post's in a row and they were all sexual. Cousin, you not gettin' any? ;)

Sundae 07-27-2008 11:45 AM

Some more information on the Olympics from a Chinese/ antu-Chinese point of view. I can't speak for its accuracy of course, but it doesn't seem completely unlikely.

Quote:

Letter from Beijing

The International Olympic Committee - IOC has announced that Iraq is banned from the 2008 Olympic Games, allegedly for mixing politics with sports. Last night, in China on national TV the whole nation watched the supreme Leaders of the CCP, visiting the Chinese athletes, with a speech on how the Communist Party and the nation expect results during the Games . Bewildered, the athletes looked in fear, under enormous pressure from the highest political authorities in the land. Of course, this has nothing to do with politics.

Some of the girls from the gymnastic team as young as 14, have been confined to state run training camps for no less then 8 years, away from family, training non stop including missing most of their academic needs. All national Chinese Olympic teams, train under the State supervision. Only last year there were four reported serious accidents in the Chinese team, from over training including three young athletes that suffered irreversible serious physical injuries with broken spines. This week a girl, seventeen years old, from the canoeing team revealed her fear of water, as she was forced to join the national team when she was only ten years of age, as she was seen to be a strong girl. Of course this is a sports matter not a political one. The president of the Beijing Olympic Committee is the mayor of Beijing, ranked the very top of the Communist Party political hierarchy, with no connection whatsoever with sports, let alone with the Olympic movement.

As I watched the Governmental parade on TV, one could not escape to noticed one fact beyond the suffocating expressions of pressure on the athletes; the overwhelming presence of the foreign brands stamped on every single Chinese athlete, in every single Chinese national team. An advertising feast for the likes of Nike, UPS, Coke and the other usual suspects.

In the other hand, many of my local friends are in despair. They regret the present state of the city caused by the Games. Most of them running small business are now going under. Lured by the Government propaganda, they moved to Beijing a few years ago, and now are facing for the first time an economical disaster. Never mind the one million citizens from Beijing who lost their homes, and were forced to move out with barely their personal belongings … the ones who stayed are now under an enormous pressure to survive. The rippling effects can be felt in all corners of the nation. Most recently, the Central Government ordered all the newspapers, to send their journalists to the countryside to calm down the discontent peasants, so no one will venture into the Capital now surrounded by police on every point of entry. Yes, all non-political activities on behest of the Games.

This week, there was finally some good news for the local residents. All across Beijing, the citizens were given by the local cadres a gift ; a polo shirt with the Olympic logo and a red arm tag with a matching baseball cap, so they can stand on every street corner, to look after the good behaviour of the citizens. Beijing is now a city under siege. Police, dogs, cameras, screening machines are all over, behind the rehearsed polite smile. The city is empty, and all the promised foreigners with their fat wallets are yet to come. The locals cannot understand why. They truly do not care about sports, but do care very much about money and their survival. Anyone who knows anything about Chinese culture understands that the people are as close to sports (except martial arts and ping-pong) as eskimos are close to sun bathing.

In 2001, The Chinese Government promised as part of their bid, that the 2008 Games would be the Green Olympics. Since then in 2007, China has become the number one producer of carbon dioxide in the world, with 16 out of 20 most polluted cities in the planet , with Beijing ranked in the very top. Yet, the IOC had no comments and praised the Chinese performance.

I think of the few Iraqi athletes and their present fate. Training under real fire and daily personal danger, with so much sacrifice and yet robbed the opportunity to raise the national flag in the world stage in a rare peaceful moment in their shattered lives. Unfortunately, there are no Nike factories in Iraq. There are now 223 Nike factories in China. So much for the Olympic Spirit now commoditised and transformed in a commercial political farce.

There are 67 Olympic official sponsors for the Beijing Games, competing to target the hearts and minds of the Chinese people, four times more then during highly criticised LA Games, accused of excessive financial greed. All local and national politicians are directly involved with the Games on levels unseen by any Regime, since the Nazi Games in 1936. Every day there is news of terrorist threats against the Games. So far, not one shred of evidence was made public while the massive arrests of civilians, expropriations are relentless all across the nation in the name of the 2008 Beijing Games .
Of course, this has nothing to do with politics, its all for the good of the Sport and the Olympic Spirit.

One often relates to historical moments with the popular question …
Where were you during a certain event ?
As far as the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games,
I voluntarily will join the fate of the banned Iraqi athletes,
as well as to answer to my conscience ….
and stay far away from Beijing.

Silent Witness
Beijing, 26 July 2008

Rhianne 07-27-2008 04:13 PM

Actually, gymnasts must be at least 16 years of age - or turning 16 within the calendar year of the event - so there will no competitors younger than 15-and-about-7/12th in the gymnastic events at Beijing.

Chocolatl 07-27-2008 05:27 PM

I have mixed feelings about the boycotts. I know the human rights issues China is dealing with are important, but I also think the athletes suffer and it's not their fault the games they are competing in happen to be in China. They spend a lot of their life training and dreaming, so it seems unfair for them not to get their chance, or have their countrymen turn their backs on them. "Oh well, better luck next time!"... in four years!

Clodfobble 07-27-2008 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhianne
Actually, gymnasts must be at least 16 years of age - or turning 16 within the calendar year of the event - so there will no competitors younger than 15-and-about-7/12th in the gymnastic events at Beijing.

One of the big news stories right now is that some of the Chinese girls are lying about their ages, and are actually 14.

Rhianne 07-27-2008 07:37 PM

I haven't seen/read any of those stories Clodfobble, but it's cetainly true that sort of thing has gone on before in both the Western and Eastern hemispheres. I imagine that it'd be incredible difficult to prove/disprove this sort of thing too. My opinion is that the aesthetics of the more 'mature' gymnast outdoes a child everytime anyway - maybe the age limit should be raised further with the added benefit that the pervs (no names!) would be able to enjoy the sport in safety!

xoxoxoBruce 07-27-2008 08:16 PM

In China personal concerns give way to the good of the party and the nation? Well, duh. :rolleyes:

Cloud 07-27-2008 08:49 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/27/sp...html?ref=world


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