Bush deals nukes to the Saudis
 

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5...Q5XB3RNj5fU34A

Unless it doesn't. Man I don't get this one.

They know the oil is running out.

edit; I wonder who'll be chosen as the contractor to build these plants?
Wonder if Cheney knows?
Maybe it's to head off a deal with the Russians, like Iran has?

Bruce. I can't believe you have to wonder about that.

Well I don't have the facts yet, and I certainly wouldn't want to cast aspersions on our beloved leader... or him dummy, Bush.

Let's see, first he does a belly crawl for cheaper gas then he fetches the nuke. Good dog, Mr. President, good dog.

my thoughts exactly. This can't be over fast enough for me.

Isn't this the same deal we've offered multiple times to the Iranians? We'll give you the powerplant nukes for free, if you'll quit trying to learn how to make your own?

Wonder what the Israelis think of this.

I hope they give them nukes and let them turn the whole place to glass. Only then will we get off the teat of Middle Eastern oil. The world will be a better place when a big frigging asteroid hits Mexico and the Middle East.

Mexico? What don't you love about Mexico?

I loves me some Mexico! I just see as a solution to our border problems. We need a big ocean between Texas and say... Panama. :D

Man, that's reactionary! -- bring back the... Cretaceous.

Nothing like a little mass homicide to solve your problems.

Hell man, it worked in Rawanda!!

Speaking of oil, congress grilled the oil executives. They were asked for their income amount to which they replied was in the millions of dollars.

Congress asked them where their moral compass was.

The oil executives said it was the governments fault for not letting them drill in the U.S.

The oil issue is a two sided coin.

What other kinds of coins are there?

Hmmmmmmm..... good point.

Well,electronic currency is a coin of sorts?

I heard the electronic trading of oil is spiking the prices too.?

I havn't heard any more regarding this though but I imagine, or I hope that when this president is gone there will be many many insight hearings and investigations!

You know, you have to consider the fact that if the world is going to tolerate letting Iran have nuclear weapons why not let other in the region do so to balance the power? SA is a double headed snake when it comes to relations with the US, but the Arabs and Persians are not brothers.

Electronic currency is binary as well. ;)

Israel already does.

Not as significant as if other Arab states who oppose Iranian expansion and exploitation in the region had the same ability to thwart the nuclear saber rattle.

And Pakistan.

The US wants Saudi Arabia to catch up with Iran in the new nuclear arms race. Otherwise, what is the motivation to give an enigma to Israel the capacity to produce nukes?

Why do so many confuse nuclear electric plants with nuclear weapons? Do so many not know the difference?

It's a much easier step from plants to weapons. This is apparently how India and Pakistan got there.

It is or it was? Technology to avert this ‘threat’ has since been implemented throughout the world (at least until George Jr started making other nations distrust the US).
Nuclear Iran is now the world's #1 problem

Meanwhile, a least fear for nuclear proliferation is Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia has proven far more trustworthy than other less trusted nations such as Israel. Israel will not even sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty so that Israel can sell nuclear material to other nations. (Did we forget about South Africa? Oh. Israel is a trusted country - not Saudi Arabia.)

How ironic that one would fear nuclear power plants in Saudi Arabia when George Jr wants to give India uranium in direct violation of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. Uranium so that India can make more nuclear bombs. We trust India but don't trust Saudi Arabia?

Unilaterally terminate a world treaty? Where does UT fear that? George Jr has unilaterally terminated treaties so often as to make 'world stability' treaties with the US arbitrary and capricious.
Bush praises "Austrian" troops at "OPEC" summit .
Just another reason why so many American allies are no longer so friendly. Clearly providing support to Israel and India is good even though both refuse to sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty. When does the term double standard have meaning?

How did India use (Canadian) nuclear fuel to develop a nuclear bomb? HEU - as posted here over a year ago along with solutions to alieviate that threat. It was posted in The Cellar over a year ago.

I'm just waiting for a revolution in Saudi Arabia and we Pakistan II on our hands.

[sarcasm]Yah, that's gonna be sweet.[/sarcasm]

So, Merc.....you think your nation shouldn't be sucking at the teat of middle eastern oil, and your solution to that is remove the teat rather than remove yourselves from it?

I guess you could make a case to just remove yourselves from such a relationship if you really wanted to crash the economy but it is not just the US that is dependent on Middle East Oil, nearly the whole world is dependent on it. There is no way to just stop buying it. I still think the grand plan is to use Middle East oil until it is completely gone and then the oil we still have in the ground will actually put us in a stronger position. We have a lot of potential oil reserves near us and we have not exploited them for many reasons. There is much untapped oil in Africa as well. So I kind of like the idea of using up all the Arab oil first.

tw, in your urgency to denigrate Israel and contradict me, you have taken exactly the Bush administration's position on the issue.

Congratulations on going full circle. We always thought you might do it.

C'est à rire - it is to laugh

Rather irrelevant is what the scumbag president might say. Relevant is only the facts. Sometimes a wacko extremist political agenda coincides with the correct answer.

Another reality is UTs blind loyalty to Israel and his repeated belief that Saudi Arabia is somehow a dangerous nation. Nothing disparaging. That is simply what UT repeatedly posts. Reality – Saudi Arabia remains a better friend than Israel – whose spies were even caught in America. Let’s see. UK does not have covert spies. Saudi Arabia does not. But Israeli spying on America has been caught and exposed. UT even forgets about the USS Liberty. What other ally intentionally attacks a US navy ship … multiple times? And then lies about it? Saudi? Hardly.

More interesting are reasons why Saudi Arabia would need a nuclear electric station. UT, care to demonstrate a grasp - answer that question without attaching a political bias?

Patently false.

PARIS: The International Atomic Energy Agency, in an unusually blunt and detailed report, said Monday that Iran's suspected research into the development of nuclear weapons remains "a matter of serious concern" and continues to need "substantial explanations."

The nine-page report accused the Iranians of a willful lack of cooperation, particularly in answering allegations that its nuclear program may be pointed less at energy generation than at military use.

Part of the agency's case hinges on 18 documents listed in the report and presented to Iran that, according to Western intelligence agencies, indicate the Iranians have ventured into explosives, uranium processing and a missile warhead design — activities that ordinarily would be associated with constructing nuclear weapons.

"There are certain parts of their nuclear program where the military seems to have played a role," said one senior official close to the agency, who spoke on condition of anonymity under normal diplomatic constraints. He added, "We want to understand why."

Iran has dismissed the documents as "forged" or "fabricated," claimed that its experiments and projects had nothing to do with a nuclear weapons program and refused to provide documentation and access to its scientists to support its claims.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/05/...ica/27iran.php

I wonder if Iran is playing the same game Saddam did? Several countries in the region have nukes, so at least giving the impression of having an ongoing nuke program, might make Iran appear stronger than they really are. I would give them more street creds.

I think it is the real deal. I don't think they have the balls to actually use one as the retaliation would be devastating by the combined forces of the Israel and the US.

They still have to worry about Pakistan, too. Being a predominately Muslim country does not make them an friend.

I had not considered them. I sort of look at India keeping them in check, and if we maintain bases in Afgan territory we may be able to keep them at bay. Hell, the damm Paki's and Khan are to blame for most of this third world proliferation.

As well as the prices at 7-11. ;)

:lol2: yea, they may be able to shut us down. And no more curry...

Which was the reasoning just before a Cuban Missile Crisis. We learned the world came right to the edge - almost launched all nuclear weapons - because logic gets lost in the emotional heat of hate.

One fact learned from the "Missiles of October" is that one must always be talking to everyone - especially one's enemies. So many people (including America's dumbest president while in Israel) never learned this making nuclear weapons so dangerous and reducing the power of retaliation (power as defined in a policy called MAD).

Why were India and Pakistan so close to nuclear war? They stopped talking to one another. Clinton's diplomacy may have stopped a nuclear war that was only hours away.

Well, a country lead by a scumbag president will not talk even to perceived enemies. Those enemies therefore need nuclear weapons AND may not worry about retaliation. Retaliation has significance if all sides are talking. Without talk, then the heat of hate takes hold - anything can happen.

Only valid source that Americans have for Iran's intentions is the UN. If the UN is worried, then Americans should worry.

A post without supporting 'reasons why' means the poster is lying and has no credibility.

But... your post had no supporting 'reasons why,' so...

I get it, irony.

What is the definition of irony again?

dammit HLJ beat me to the punch.

Well you are a stockbroker and call yourself smart. We know stock brokers are only dumb - and ugly.

How do we know lookout123 deserves posts just like UG would write? Because he was so stupid as to vote for George Jr - and admit it.

Oh come on muppet, you can do better than that.

Maybe. But this is the first time you have ever seen me insult someone - contrary to what you posted. I do not practice as you do.

Meanwhile, a country lead by a mental midget president will not talk even to perceived enemies. Those enemies therefore need nuclear weapons AND may not worry about retaliation. Retaliation has significance - make war less likely - if all sides are talking. Without talk, then the heat of hate takes hold and anything can happen.

How is this related to a nuclear electric power plant for Saudi Arabia? It's not. Just that some confuse the electric power plant with massive weapons processing plants.

Do you lie to feel better about yourself or is there some deeper reason?

How pathetic is lookout123? As a professional, he recommended some mutual funds that - as expected - underperformed the market. Well, finance professionals tend to be overpaid 'pretty boy' salesman with lower intelligence and inflated egos. So his mutual fund recomnmendations were - as expected - typical of stockbrokers who traditionally underperform the market.

Meanwhile anyone who respects the American soldier would also ask questions such as "When do we go after bin Laden?" lookout123 routinely refuses because of his morality. Yes, lookout123, this post is in a tone you like and use. Up the anus. You cannot even stay on topic because - well, when we talk about your intelligence, also provided is supporting evidence. You approve of George Jr, you voted for him twice, you still support the mental midget, and you don't 'apologize for your contempt of good Americans - especially the American soldier.

Do you like it when someone replies in you own manner. Probably. This is difficult for me. I don't like calling a motherfucker a dic because, well, I don't know anyone else who probably fucked his own mother. You like turning the Cellar into your own pissing pot. Fine.

You were so dumb as to even demonstrate what a bad financial planner you are. You recommended mutual funds that - as expected - underperformed the market. Your recommendations come from what you do professionally. Lying to people is also how to make money. Your are good at that. No wonder you also love sending American soldiers to a useless death AND love it when George Jr makes no effort to get bin Laden. It says so much about your politics, your biases, and your morality. And then like pedophile priests, you also call yourself a good Christian.

Shall we continue with personal posting since that is the only kind of post you understand? How does your wife stay with you? Do you also beat on her?

BTW, contrary to you previous posts, I don't insult people. This is a post about insults similar to what you post often. Can you deal with what you dish out? And how often do you beat your wife? As usual, you will not answer.

ha ha hahahahahafuckinghahahaha. if i knew how to post an audio file of me laughing and snorting i would. TW, you are such a worthless fucking tool. I honestly don't know if you even understand the depth of irony in your own posts.

but because i wouldn't want to disappoint you by not answering... halol, that's rich - i'll go ahead and cover some of the ground here.
Here is one of the posts where I discussed this misrepresentation of facts you frequently use. Some call that lying, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. It's from this thread. I think I dealt with all of the many questions you meant to ask about the financial services industry. I'm not sure if you had any further questions, because... well, you chose to ignore the thread and not respond.
See, there was a time when I did ask that question. Over time I've stopped asking that question and moved on to Is Bin Laden really the most important priority at this point? I'm not sure, but I do wonder about that.
My my my, is that a homoerotic reference? Eh, whatever floats your boat. The shocker can be quite thrilling if used correctly, just be careful - those inflatables can have sharp seams.
True, I am not the sharpest tool in the shed. Spending a bit of time in the cellar should cure anyone of any ideas that they are the smartest guy around. I do try my best though. Thanks for your patience.I approve of GWB? Cite? I did vote for him. Unfortunately the D's didn't put up a candidate that I felt would do better than him. It is a sad state of affairs, but it is the world we live in. Contempt for the soldiers? Unlike you I've spent a large part of my life in the military and many of my friends and some of my family are still there. I fear for their safety on a daily basis. I hold only respect for the military. What separates you and I is not hate or respect for the military but instead our idea of the best way to support them. Let's see, I think I dealt with that lie when I pointed out that I've never recommended any investments in the cellar. See the difference between us is that I do that for a living so I have stricter standards than you do. Just some legal issues, you know?Well, if you are insulting me for being catholic, you've missed the mark because I'm not. I'm one of those weird double belly buttoners. Insult me with the correct terminology please. And I have NEVER called myself a good Christian. I'm about as bad an example as can be imagined. Plenty of fodder for ridicule there.We've dealt with this before. She didn't stay with me. We went through some really rough times and she left. Then she came back and we've been able to work things out. I've never laid a hostile hand on my wife or any other woman as I find that deplorable. And unnecessary now that I leave her chained in the pit. But that's another story.
TWat, with a post like that you've possibly ruined a large number of keyboards and monitors. Learn this and use it, SCF. It's only fair when you lie the way you do. Any dwellar who has been here for a bit knows you frequently insult those who disagree. We also know you insult every one of us when you lie and think we aren't smart enough to recognize you for what you are - a liar. Through and through.
Whew! Is that answer enough for you bi-atch?

So accurately depicted that lookout123 replied in detail. No, I will not waste reading his replies. lookout123 set a new personal record for a longest post because I was more accurate than I realized. No wonder he routinely posts personal attacks rather than stay on topic. Defined was lookout123 who only understands personal attacks. No wonder he and UG get along so well.

Sweet, then that'll make this the same as any other thread you "participate" in. Dildo.

You posted a rambling without supporting "supporting reasons" that it is factual. It is not factual. Every single country in the world has a form of an intelligence agency.

You need to increase your medication dosages.

:eek: Wow! :corn:

Pass the popcorn. Just wondering what the Three Stoogers will come up with this time.

/dancer kid/ Uh, like you totally got served dude! /dancer kid/


enjoy your popcorn putz.

Oh please.... :roll: (btw, The Atlantic did a fantastic in depth report on how this guy did his dirty deeds and how everyone found out it was him)

Pakistani Nuclear Scientist Denies Selling Secrets
By ALAN COWELL

Published: May 31, 2008

PARIS — Abdul Qadeer Khan, the creator of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program, was reported on Friday to have withdrawn an admission that he sold nuclear technology to Iran, North Korea and Libya, saying that he had made it under pressure from President Pervez Musharraf.

He made the comment in a telephone interview with a correspondent in Islamabad, Pakistan’s capital, from The Guardian, a British newspaper, which called the conversation his first with the Western media since an emotional television appearance in 2004 in which Dr. Khan admitted selling nuclear technology to other countries.

“It was not of my own free will,” he told The Guardian, saying he had been forced to make the admission by President Musharraf. “It was handed into my hand,” he was quoted as saying

Western intelligence agencies fear that any technology passed on by Dr. Khan could be used by terrorists. But in the interview he maintained his longstanding resistance to being questioned by investigators from the International Atomic Energy Agency or the United States. .

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/31/wo...html?ref=world