pier to pier
 

*Let's say* you *had a friend* who frequented a *cafe* with free wifi, and that *friend* installed a program like limewire and downloaded all kinds of tunes, how might the riaa ever find that friend since the isp in question would point to the cafe. Or would it?

just wondering. Maybe lime wire is gone, I've been away a while.

You'll have an IP address from the cafe. The RIAA will know (it's easy to look up) that the address came from the cafe's ISP. They will have to get the ISP to cough up which of their customers had that address at that time, which will point back to the cafe. At that point the RIAA will shrug and find some lower-hanging fruit, or they'll send somebody to sit in the cafe and sniff the wireless network. (I'm betting a.)

cool.
I mean for my friend.

I have a friend who was considering that too.

You guys can't afford to pay 99 cents for your tunes? That's pretty sad.

Limewire is still alive and kicking. Though *my friend* prefers torrents because *he* can download entire albums with ease, and usually finds other songs *he* likes in addition to the one that spurred *him* to download in the first place.

Oh we can afford it silly, there's just other factors at work that encourage *my friend* to choose to download rather than pay for certain artists.

Choose to "steal" is what you should have said. How would you feel if you found out that one or more of your stolen songs had some of smoothmonikers work in it?

Every time you steal a song, the RIAA kills a kitten. Think about that!

Ok, choose to "steal, "pirate", etc. My take is: I enjoy the music, but I do not enjoy monetarily supporting the bigwigs and asshats in the music labels, RIAA, etc. My purchasing a CD from them is just another mojito on the beach for some overpaid exec who is jabbing away on the phone to his buddies about more DRM strategies to further put a stranglehold on the public's ability to use music files, while his bimbo of a wife is asking her tennis coach if she should get a boob job.

I do however love financially supporting independent and local artists who haven't let their work get prostituted out.

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:sniff: They would those bastards!

Pier to pier?

I thought it was ship to shore.

To get from Pier to pier, you have to sale. :cool:

Wait, I'm confused. Now I don't know whether to download music or masturbate.

By: Jimmy Buffett
1973
Lookin' back at my hard luck days
I really do have to laugh
Workin' in a dive for twenty six dollars
Spendin' it all on grass
We were hungry hard-luck heroes
Tryin' just to stay alive
We'd go down to the corner grocery
This is how we'd survive

Chorus:
Who's gonna steal the peanut butter
I'll get the can of sardines
Runnin' up and down the aisle of the Mini Mart
Stickin' food in our jeans
We never took more than we could eat
There was plenty left on the rack
We all swore if we ever got rich
We would pay the Mini Mart back
Yes sir! Yes sir!
We would pay the Mini Mart back

It was a two man operation
Had it all down on a note
Ricky would watch that big round mirror
And I'd fill up my coat
Then we'd head for the check-out aisle
With a lemon and a bottle of beer
Into the car, got to make it on home
Suppertime's getting near

Chorus:
So who's gonna steal the peanut butter
I'll get the can of sardines
Runnin' up and down the aisle of the Mini Mart
Stickin' food in our jeans
Never took more than we could eat
There was plenty left on the rack
We all swore if we ever got rich
We would pay the Mini Mart back
Yes sir! Yes sir!
We would pay the Mini Mart back

I guess every good picker has had some hard times
I sure had my share
It's really kinda funny to laugh at 'em now
But I don't want to go back there
So every now and then when I'm in the grocery
I'll take a little but not much
'Cause you never know when those hard times'll hitcha
And I don't want to lose my touch

Chorus:
So who's gonna steal the peanut butter
I'll get the can of sardines
Runnin' up and down the aisle of the Mini Mart
Stickin' food in our jeans
We never took more than we could eat
There was plenty left on the rack
We all swore if we ever got rich
We would pay the Mini Mart back
Yes sir! Yes sir!
We would pay the Mini Mart back
Yes sir, yes sir
We would pay the Mini Mart back

and:
http://www.archive.org/details/FluffersMakeMovies

Oh, please. Have you stopped paying for gas because big oil is making record profits?

This is just an excuse to get something for nothing. You want to boycott the major labels? Stop listening to their music.

Source: WordNet (r) 1.7
wet blanket
n : (informal) someone who spoils the pleasure of others [syn: spoilsport,
killjoy, party pooper , dar512]

The only reason he's effective as a wet blanket is because he is right. If he was wrong, his words would have no impact.

mor·al

1 a: of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior : ethical <moral judgments> b: expressing or teaching a conception of right behavior <a moral poem> c: conforming to a standard of right behavior d: sanctioned by or operative on one's conscience or ethical judgment <a moral obligation> e: capable of right and wrong action <a moral agent>

Wow. That's some serious debating skills you've got there my friend.

I suppose, just because corporations may not always act ethically and or morally that does not give us license to act unethically or immorally. Tempting though it may be. (If all your friends were freebasing then jumping off a bridge, would you do it too?)

As for the question of "who gets hurt" (is it the fluffers, or stunt men, or recording artists?) Who really gets hurt in this type of thing is the person stealing the song. There are millions of justifications for stealing, but they all remain justifications.

*my friend's* main interest in apps like limewire isn't to beat the record companies out of 99 cents, but more to find obscure tracks which other folks may have uploaded which are not available for purchase.

I'd rather have the CD with the liner notes and all that stuff. But I think the entire Beatles catalog should be free considering that I've bought the license for those songs at least five times.

No because I don't have another choice than to buy gas for my car. There's no puiblic transportation here, and biking is out of the question due to distance. If someone was cloning gasoline and giving it away on the street corner, I would sure as hell be in line to get some.

How about I keep listening to the music, but do my share to make it that much less profitable for them. Sounds like a better way to boycott to me, so I'll keep doing it. Cheers.

Not that the Beatles catalog should be free to everyone. But I think if someone has already paid for the White Album, say, on vinyl, I don't have an ethical issue with that person duping the White Album CDs from the library, since they have already paid for the performance.

I'm sure you will do as you like; but it's certainly not an ethical way to live. Just because something is easy to do, and just because a lot of people are doing it, doesn't make it right.

Your conscience must be pretty gullible to fall for such a flimsy excuse as that.

Right on.

Not so much.
I don't mean to give the impression that I download every piece of music I have. I have used iTunes before, but it frustrated me that I couldn't do what I wanted with the music files I downloaded and paid for. I wasn't trying to do anything illegal with them either mind you. And like I said, I love supporting local artists by attending their shows/concerts and buying their CD's and merchandise. Same with groups like the Cleveland Orchestra, etc. I just have a problem with paying for music that is mostly benfiting people who having nothing to do with the creation of said music.

yeah, sorry to break out the big guns on you right away like that, but I was pressed for time.

http://www.cellar.org/showpost.php?p...2&postcount=17

Copyright violation is only a problem when someone else does it...

You're right. :smack: I should have linked.

UT. Can you delete that post please?

ah it was a cheap shot on my part

Well, we've all given in to pier pressure sometime. :D

Good pun.