Cold War Warrior Award 2008
 

A parachute descends somewhere in the Eastern Bloc, circa 1970. A man, bundled up in jump gear cuts cords and disentangles the chute before vanishing into a nearby woods. Falling snow covers his prints within a few minutes. His mission, so secret he barely understands it himself, sends him deep underground. His contacts, so secret their families have long since buried their memories, welcome him with a few sharp words and small bundle of papers. How long will he be in the Great Bear's lair? Who knows......but he is prepared for a long stay.

Almost 40 years later and the war is fading into memory. But not for the cold war warrior. From the same woods into which he'd disappeared, he returns. Still ready. Still armed for the fight, though his enemies have long since opened bars and taken on jobs as porters in cheap hotels. Their children, grown, unwary, peaceful.

He is not alone. Dotted about the cities of Russia and America, the cold war warriors are waiting. Ever vigilant. Ever ready to spin into action against the greatest of enemies.


I propose a special medal. An award of bravery and stubbornness, blindness and stupidity. I nominate Urbane Guerilla for the Cold War Warrior Award 2008. Who do you nominate?

al-Queada, the next wave.

Some must continue inventing enemies. Or protect real enemies (ie bin Laden) to justify their politics.

So by that statement you believe that al-Queada is not real and is no threat. About time you admitted it outright.

Ooh, more nominees by the minute, carry on please.

And you're suggesting some dudes in the mountains of Afghanistan are as capable as the USSR. Whaaaaa????

well, those guys in the mountains of afghanistan did defeat the USSR...

Those guys in the caves planned, organized, and executed an audacious plan to slam four large passenger planes into landmark buildings in the U.S. in 2001. I'd have to say that based on the evidence at hand that there is a real enemy there.

That doesn't mean they are the only enemies of the U.S. There are many more, in different shapes and forms. It is important to take as best of an unbiased look at who our enemies are, as we can.

To not do so, is what I might call leading with the chin, and unrealistic in this day and age. Heck in any day and age.

Why does George Jr all but protect the Real Al Qaeda? Al Qaeda hyped by George Jr is a mythical enemy found in Iraq.

When do we go after bin Laden? A recent GAO report said, we had no plans - no attempts - to get bin Laden AND we have no future plans to go after him - and the Real Al Qaeda.

Al Qaeda hyped by TheMercenary - a lover of mental midget presidents - is only another party in an Iraqi Civil war. Are these hypermythical satanic evils a threat to the US? Of course not. Never were. Obviously are not. A myth created alongside another George Jr myth: repeated attempts to capture bin Laden.

TheMercenary and UG both know reality exposes a dumb and anti-American idol - George Jr.

So anti-American are both TheMercenary and Urbane Guerrilla. Neither will ask a question always asked by intelligent and patriotic Americans. When do we go after bin Laden? They so fear to ask that question as to even suggest bin Laden was dead.

The question makes obvious that George Jr has all but protected bin Laden for a political agenda – to even promote “Mission Accomplished”. And makes obvious who is the real Al Qaeda. So successful has President Cheney's politicala agenda been implemented that "Missiona Accomplished" will not be lost on his watch. Just like Nixon in Nam; this president's legacy is more important than reality and America.

To promote that agenda, Rush Limbaugh, et al tells Urbane Guerrilla and TheMercenary how to think.

Not the next wave, but a new threat. The Cold War Warriors are looking in the wrong direction when they cry reds under the bed.

And you are extremely naive. Please share with us your wealth of experience in this matter. Thanks.

Granted. Agreed.

Nice try at avoiding the subject. It will not work. You are an appeaser. A cock sucker for liberals and supporters of international terrorism. Strawman arguements can not save you Tommy. You are the a far cry from a patriot. I did find your pic on the web:

http://images.publicradio.org/conten...51976121_2.jpg

And is Obama going after him if/when in office? Please do tell almighty and all knowing T-Dub.

Somebody oughtta Photoshop old Ted's pic so he's got his finger up that nose.

I already answered tw about when do we go after bin Laden. It being the right answer, it was of course not the one he wanted to hear, so he failed to pull his finger out in time to hear it. [It's a nice-to-have, but not an essential; going after al-Q is what will win. Tw thinks we shouldn't.] We know tw's sort better than tw does. Also, we should speak of him in the third person.

Meanwhile, somebody pass me a latte. This looks like it may be fun to watch, and I think I should stay passive. Except maybe to prick tw in the touch-hole from time to time.

Maybe TW is bin Laden, and no one is paying any attention to him anymore. Bin laden the attention whore!:cry:

Is that what they call it these days?

Never heard of it. Pie-hole is common for the one on top, butt-hole would be on the other end. I am sure there is a host of examples but that one eludes me.

oh ffs

touch hole is the place on a cannon where a trickle of black powder serves as the fuse.

get it? UG would provoke tw into an explosion. ha ha. yeesh.

Okay, operationally, AQ was limited by the coalition invasion of Afghanistan. Since the massive (though incomplete) pullout of US forces, particularly Special Forces, from that region, there's been a resurgence of the policital/military entity that has supported them the most (the Taliban). That being said, while they have plenty of moral support, their basic capacity for engagement is extremely limited by their lack of a solid base of operations as well as a lack of discreet funding.
I'm not saying they aren't dangerous, to ignore them would be monumentally stupid. But they got away with attacking us because we weren't listening to the intel/chatter coming our way (the 9/11 Commission Report said as much).
Orders of magnitude in difference between the two groups, really. Nukes and the single largest land army (whether or not that operational capacity was actually up to snuff, that was a LOT of bodies to throw at NATO) in the world versus dudes in the mountains?
No contest.
And while the mujahedeen forced out the Red Army, it was a war of attrition and the persistence of native forces in assymetric warfare, much like Vietnam for us, rather than a full-scale military victory.

I haven't seen anything specific, which is worrisome. I do know that we are currently focusing resources in the wrong place, though. Hopefully that will change, but again, I've got no clue.

The Special Forces have not pulled out completely. We have a strong operational presence in many parts of the country with some success in many places better than others. Hind sight makes arm chair quarter backs out of the most seasoned critics. How we got to this point is really a non-argument to me, what are going to do about it now is the larger question. Anyone who thinks that the AQ organization, as lose an association as they may actually have with various like extremists around the world, is not a threat and will continue to be a threat to numerous states around the world is a fool. This is a battle we will be engaged in for a long time to come. And the first president to pull back from the fight will pay the price for that error.

Iraq is an entirely different discussion IMHO.

I knew that :P But as a double entendre I think it works rather well don't you?

'Is that what they call it these days?' is a way of indicating a lewd connection.

I got your joke, DanaC. It was quick and witty.

I was surprised by our military-inclined TheMercenary's comment that he'd never heard of that one.

Why thankyou BigV :P

Incidentally, it's probably worth noting that the cold war had, of course, two sides. Whilst the Urbane Guerillas of this world are busy spotting socialist agendas everywhere, there are other, equally blind individuals who perceive every aspect of the market as a capitalist plot :P

Field Arty is not my dig. I have a differnt list of specialty terms I can hang with. Each branch has it's own lingo as Sarge or Joe can probably tell you about. It may even be from old naval military terms, which would be even more removed from my brain housing group.

we like it that way. that paranoia is all a part of our, er, their, yes their plan.

Sure, mercy, it's all good. I don't have any particular military background, and I knew the term. I was just surprised a little that's all. No harm, no foul. It's not the first time one of UG's jokes/insults/references needed explanation. It's part of his charm.

As to its origins, I do believe "old naval military" would be in the ballpark.

When I was a kid, touchole and asshole were used interchangeably,depending on who might overhear you.

yes, but you also used words like forsooth and verily.;)

I use verily :P

Yeah, so what's your point, you ne'rdowell?:p

Humble? ;)
I understand the type of fight we're in. But it isn't one that can be one with the military. Check out Global Guerillas for more info on why I think so. REALLY interesting stuff.
EDIT: Hey! It's my evil-est post!

I was just winking at my post in this thread in Nothingland.

And how it works: Cock strikes Flint upon Frizzen, knocking open the combination Frizzen and Pan Cover, exposing the priming powder in the Pan to the shower of sparks. The Pan is connected to the Chamber by the Touch-hole which gets full of powder in loading, the black powder in the chamber ignites, propelling the Ball downrange with the characteristic bass-toned fBAM! blackpowder report. And a great fog of smoke too, that smells of charcoal and sulfur.

With the amount of ash and fouling burning black powder leaves behind, it is advisable to ream the touch-hole out with a pricker from time to time between shots until you can do a proper job of cleaning with too-hot-to-touch soapy water so the heated gun barrel dries out nice and quick before running an oily patch down the bore to preserve it for next time.

V is quite right.:yelsick:

Thanks, Merc -- it's still warm. [sippy sip sip]

Hey everybody, don't forget mountebank. ;)

I can perceive Lenin's Tomb as a... :p

And that, apparently, brought the thread to its natural death. Eftsoons.

lol. I just got that :P

That was actually pretty funny UG.

I got half a million of 'em.