Islamo-fascism is the BORG
 

I've been recording old Star Trek: Next Generation episodes. Last night I watched the Episode I, Borg. This episode was bore an eerie familiarity to our present-day situation, facing the Islamic "Collective" . . .

(The crew of the enterprise plan to implant what we would now call a "virus" into the drone and return him to infect, and thus destroy, the Collective...)

Doctor Beverly Crusher: I just think we should be clear about that. We're talking about annihilating an entire race.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: Which under most circumstances would be unconscionable. But as I see it, the Borg leave us little choice.
Commander William T. Riker: I agree. We're at war.
Doctor Beverly Crusher: There's been no formal declaration of war.
Counselor Deanna Troi: Not from us, but certainly from them. They've attacked us at every encounter.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: They've declared war on our way of life. We are to be assimilated.
Doctor Beverly Crusher: But even in war there are rules. You don't kill civilians indiscriminately.
Commander William T. Riker: There are no civilians among the Borg.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard:Think of them as a single collective being. There's no one Borg who is more an individual any more than your arm or your leg.
Doctor Beverly Crusher: How convenient.
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Captain Jean-Luc Picard: It comes down to this: We're faced with an enemy who are determined to destroy us. And we have no hope of negotiating a peace. Unless that changes, we are justified in doing anything we can to survive.
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How familiar does this all sound? If you get a chance to watch this episode, it will blow your mind.

Clone thread:

Islamo-fascism: man you must be BORED :lol:

btw who is Picard?

he's the enterprise captain who ............................. doesn't ....................... talklike ................................................................................ this.

I've seen it. It's a good'un.
Mind remained unblown as far as I am aware though...

What's the enterprise?

Just kiddin' I did watch the original Star Trek. Then I turned 13. ;)

wait... what? you're not that old.

2 score and 13 years ago, my onefather brought forth on this continent a new baby, conceived in lustery and dedicated to the presupposition that all wimminz are created threequal.

Yeah, I thought it was a good episode when I saw it 10/15 years ago, but in a post-9/11 world I couldn't believe I was hearing some of these lines:

"They've declared war on our way of life." etc.

The Borg are literally de-humanized, whereas in the real world we have to ideologically dehumanize our enemies.

You're 183? Sorry, I went to school in the 80's so numbers, math, and knowledge really aren't my strong points. ;) but seriously I had you painted into your early 30's.

I think this episode was drawn into a cellar thread somewhere along the way. It was very well written. It is interesting to me because the Picard character is generally a collectivist, but he wants to choose which collective everybody joins...

the other captain...

43 is the new 30! And when I get borged I shall live FOREVER!

The fact that the episode was made back then is what makes it interesting. If that show was made now it would be called neo-con drivel with a barely hidden racist slant and a group of imams would gather to have it taken off the air.

Exploring these kind of themes right out in the open, under a thin veil of symbolism, is exactly what science fiction is for.

And I don't want this to be a spoiler, but the dialogue I quoted was from the beginning of a turbulent moral struggle, not representative of the final outcome.

that goes without saying. that version of star trek was very PC much to the disappointment of many original star trek fans.

Picard was a man you could actually respect.

2 score and 13 equals 53. So now I'm confuzzled.

TNG is still the best Star Trek of them all.

I am laughing so hard at myself. I was in the bathroom and thought: HEY, 40 and 13 is 53! I think it was because I started out having to work out what a score is.

Anyway, yeah...2 score and 3 years. :blush:

Sorry Flint! Threadjack complete.

OK, 43 I'll buy, the 53 really did throw me though.

Back to the original idea. Glatt, I like both of the Star Treks depending on my mood. I like Kirk's macho desire to conquer the universe in a nice guy sort of way. I like Picard's more thoughtful desire to understand the universe. I really had hoped Enterprise, with Scott Bakula would do a better job of blending the two, but it never really grabbed an audience.

New ST movie next summer? I wonder what timeline they'll grab.

It's after the original five year mission. Harold (harold and kumar) plays sulu.

I thought Voyager was stronger, although I never did see the final season. I haven't seen any of them in a long time but my impression is that up until the Borg conflict TNG never seemed willing to check its moral compass. It's probably because it is a positive government show that played when I had the least patience for that, philosophically. Anyway, the Borg conflict episodes did reveal the characters much more than the previous stuff. It was solid.

And don't forget about Q--putting humanity on trial.

fergot aboot dat...

ST:NG was the bestest!

Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.

I loved TNG. But I also loved the much maligned DS9.

DS9 had its moments, but being parked in space limited the story lines. It lost steam after a season or two. I liked the characters.

We look for things. Things that make us go.

As I recall the borg does kill the mother ship of borgs by taking over the steering and driving it into the sun.

Don't care too much about star trek, but interested to find out shawnee's age. I had her pegged in her 20's. 43 was a surprise.

She must be youngster at heart.

That's one way of putting it. ;)

She's just a kid, I haven't seen 43 since ahhh,... yesterday sometime. We did an Dwellar age thread a while ago. It seems like she is close to the mean, although we have gotten younger the last couple years.