ACORN
 

What the hell were these people thinking. Do they not realize how bad this makes the process look? I wonder how many people were actually registered as Republickins and how many were registered as Demoncrats. And people think that there was fraud when Bush was elected. If Obama gets the nod people are going to make the issues with Bush look like child play.

1 VOTER, 72 REGISTRATIONS
'ACORN PAID ME IN CASH & CIGS'

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10102008...ons_132965.htm

Missouri officials suspect fake voter registration

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081009/...ge/voter_fraud

The State Auditor's Office conducted an audit of the voter registration system at the Secretary of State's Office last November.

Auditors identified 49,049 registered voters state-wide who may have been ineligible to vote. Approximately 23,576 may have been deceased and another 23,114 were possible felons. And they found more than 2,359 duplicate records.

http://www.click2houston.com/investi...75/detail.html

How does ACORN register anyone. All they can do is provide a voter registration card and maybe deliver the completed card to the voter registration board. Only the citizen and voter registration board can register that citizen. Or does it work differently in some states?

You fill out the form, sign it, and mail it (or have it delivered) to the voter registration board. That board either registers you to vote or rejects you. How does ACORN get involved other than give you a blank form and beg you to fill it out?

And then ACORN submits the form for you. Walla, you are registered. There are registration drives all over the country. The Dems are targeting rock concerts a lot lately. We had a community music fest that lasted 4 days. They were at every event.

ACORN is a dirty nasty organization that I've personally had the displeasure of dealing with. They took Jesse Jackson's business model to the next level.

Is ACORN handing out enrollment forms at rock concerts any different (ethically) from the behavior of that Southern Christian college (I forget then name) which we discussed elsewhere, of doing everything they could to get their students voting?

Seriously folks, I'm just asking for information, or at least informed opinion. What rules are being broken, how, and by whom?

Down Under, enrollment is compulsory and the Australian Electoral Commission has frequent media campaigns (especially before elections) to encourage people to sign up. They have info at most government offices and do other outreach stuff. It is completely non-partisan.
I think the left-er of our two main parties does sometimes have enrollment encouragement drives since younger voters tend to be left. It's not a big thing. Don't think handing out cigarettes would work too well for their image, though.

I think when you sign up the same guy 72 times and use different names and pay him to sign up, that might be a problem. I could be wrong but.....

My personal experience involves them contacting a company I worked for and demanding a shakedown check, "to help minority homeowners". The company refused.

-Their people contacting mortgage holders with hispanic last names and telling them if they'll go to court and say they didn't know english when they signed loan docs, they might not have to repay their loans.

-Their people paraded in front of our buildings wearing shark costumes

-They worked with the press and named individual loan officers and lied about the events.

-They prepped clients who were perfectly fluent in english to go into court and say only, "no habla".

-Then when the company finally handed over more than $200,000,000 to make the press stop, very little of it went to our actual former clients

Then they moved on to the next company. I'd like to see anyone associated with that organization die a very slow and painful death.

I didn't know that they were that diverse in thier illegal acitons. Sounds just like PUSH and Jessie Jackson.

If you sign up the same guy 72 times, the same voter registration board registers him to vote only once. Where is the problem? Apparently the guy is making money off Acorn by sending in the same form 72 times. No problem. In November, he can still only vote once.

Good point, tw.

However I made the same point in yesterday's post #2. Why does this post say anything different?

My job precludes me reading every single post and hanging on to every word. You egocentric goof. ;) Mostly, I felt this last post was more succinct and got right to the point.

It's just a question of writing style. The second quote makes it much more clear what you're trying to say.

It does sort of bollix things up at the always-undermanned voter registration board, when they have to account for your load of crap.

According to the news reports they are not using the same name or address, they are changing the names and or address each time. What they have effectively done is placed the Sec of State to have to verify a flood of names. I think they should withhold all election results til after the names have been verified after the polls close. It may take a few weeks (again) to find out who won, but it would eliminate this fraud.

The problem with the 'possible felon' designation is that the Florida experience showed that this was fraught with error. It appears that if someone with your name was in prison in that state, they can challenge your vote and the onus is on you to prove that you were never a felon.

I don't want fraudulent votes, but I don't want fraudulent challenges either, and a part of me wonders if the anti-fraud campaign is a method for lowering legitimate turnout and pushing up wait times at the polls to discourage voting.

While arguments can be made for tactics like caging, more arguments can be made against it. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention giving up your right to vote because you weren't home to sign for a letter.

I agree that there will be a lot of challenges in this election. Thankfully after the disastrous results from the last two elections (and for once I'm not referring to who was elected), we came up with a clear procedure for provisional ballots. Forcing people in poor districts to wait for hours in line to vote as opposed to wealthier districts is in my opinion a violation of the equal protection clause.

There is a significant chance that provisional and absentee ballots will decide this election.

FYI, Tim Griffin, the GOP's current Deputy Head of Research was tied to voter caging by Monica Goodling during her testimony.

The "felon" issue is not as big as the "dead people" and the blatant fraud by ACORN re-registering people over and over with slightly different names and paying them to do so. If they have to delay the results till all the names are vetted, so be it.

Here we go again.

It's interesting being in a battleground state. Never happened for me before. The Obama volunteers are extremely active. They have called us at least a dozen times in the last few months. Our Democratic "neighborhood chiefs" sent us a letter recently urging us to vote early in order to help reduce wait times at the polls for others on election day. That had never occurred to me, but it's a great idea. Virginia has very lenient standards for early voting. The fact that I work in DC, and am out of my county for more than 11 hours of the day means that I'm eligible to vote early. I just voted today, which was way more convenient for me. Took 20 minutes and was on a Saturday. Plus I can also impact the election by lowering wait times slightly for others

I think one of the reasons that my household has been targeted so heavily is that we voted in a Democrat school board primary a couple months ago. Only 5% of the county voted in that election.

Early voting has been a life saver and something they should have done years ago. We started early voting, this year, 4 weeks before the election, M-F.

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He must be looking at my ballot...lol! Did you know you can just write stuff in?:headshake

They're legally required to submit all forms that are filled out, even if one person fills out multiple forms. Even if it's an obvious fake, like Mickey Mouse. Filtering out names they don't like would be much worse than submitting extra names (who obviously won't be actually voting).

On the scale of voting problems, extra registrations are a nuisance, extra voting is a problem, and preventing legitimate votes is nefarious. Only the first and third are in any way common. If people were actually voting 72 times, the registration story would be background info for that story.

More total Bull Shit. Flooding a election office with 6000 fake votes is an obvious attempt to overwhelm the system and suspect of voter fraud. I doubt there is a single registered republickin in the batch.

Florida fucks the country again............

Florida Sun Sentinel

More than 30,000 Florida felons who by law should have been stripped of their right to vote remain registered to cast ballots in this presidential battleground state, a Sun Sentinel investigation has found.

Many are faithful voters, with at least 4,900 turning out in past elections.

Another 5,600 are not likely to vote Nov. 4 — they're still in prison.

Of the felons who registered with a party, Democrats outnumber Republicans more than two to one.

I find it hard to believe the state doesn't know the Social Security numbers of the felons they've incarcerated. I find it easy to believe the state hasn't bothered to clean their voter roles, as nobody gives a shit about them till election time.

I wonder if the felons get called for jury duty? :eyebrow:

If the election board can't clear all the names before the election, have those people vote on paper ballots and hold the ballots until they can clear the names.

If the difference in the vote count, between the winner and loser is greater than the held paper ballots, go with that result. If it's not, hold the final count until the names are cleared.

If the result of the Presidential election were delayed a week or two, I'll bet when the next election rolled around, they'd have their shit together.
There's no reason they can't set a registration deadline, say, three months before the vote, and staff the board with enough people.

Nevermind.

Early voting is stupid. A lot can change in a month, but you've already voted when you find out Candidate A is actually an outer space alien with a book called To Serve Man, which is actually a cookbook.

What happened to having to work for your vote, getting up early or stopping after a long day of work? Maybe waiting in line? It MEANS something, you've had to make an effort. If you absolutely can't be there, that's what absentee ballots are for.

Next thing they will come to each and everyone of our residences, ask who you want to vote for, then fill in a ballot for you. No risk of tampering there. :rolleyes: Let's start mid-summer to avoid the cold weather.

I don't know that I want voting to be the easiest thing on earth. Make people work a little for their vote. Is there a better feeling than walking out of the voting area on election day, knowing you did your part as a citizen, knowing it meant enough to you to make the effort?

Eh, unpopular opinion, I'm sure.

Maybe, maybe not. But the fact remains that they're legally required to turn in every form they get.

You seem to like to toss out the term "bull shit", and then not respond to the post you're quoting.

This isn't the first time that GOTV people have been paid by the signature. If it had led to people voting 72 times, that would be the story. As it is, ACORN threw their money away, and the guy who signed up 72 times has a bit of extra cash. Maybe they thought it was worth it if it made their stats look good for future monetary supporters.

No make it really easy to vote - lets all just do it on the interwebz. Oh wait thats discriminating against those that don't have computers. :eyebrow:

We can't make it inconvenient, too many people don't vote as it is. We have to make it easy for everyone - lets just have the Gov't send people drive around to collect votes. That way the people who are "too busy" can have their vote counted. Hell, they won't have to drag the crack whores outta the subsidized housing either - they'll just show up and show them where to mark the ballot. :rolleyes:

I agree with you S123 - I enjoy voting and take a lot of pride knowing that I have a say, no matter how small. Its a privilege that too many in this country don't appreciate.

New Bumper sticker: I am a crack whore and I vote!

Wouldn't they have to have a car to put it on? Maybe we could do T-shirts instead

A crack ho could wear the bumper sticker as a shirt, cause they're all like emaciated and stuff...

eh, I got nothin'

Me either, cuz it was never funny to begin with....

ouch

What, didja sit on a gerbil (again) classic?

:lol:

State GOP Leaders Accuse ACORN of Vote Fraud
 

by GARRY LENTON, Of The Patriot-News Friday October 10, 2008


I think this is a case of a guy not working and filling out a bunch of paperwork to justify himself. It is not the first nor second...time this accusation has been levied against ACORN.

Interestingly enough - A spokesman from ACORN was on a cable news ow this am - not sure if it was CNN... I know it wasn't Fox or MSNBC..anyway she was very unapologetic about the fact that ACORN has endorsed Obama and is sharing that view with their newly found registrants.

I thought so too - then I realized that $9,000,000 was missing from under my chair.

:)

More claims about ACORN and "multiple thousands" of bogus registrations in PA alone - oh that and something about $800,000 to a subsidiary of theirs?? I don't care enough to look it all up anymore. This shit is so fucked up that I'm way past discouraged at this point. All I can tell is that they are all a bunch of liars thieves and cheats taking as much as thy can from people who actually work for a living. Doesn't matter what label they have on. Rep or Dem they're all the same. The two choices of their opposing ideology just assures an even split of the goods.

Who exactly are they stealing from here?

ME! And probably you.

We're talking about ACORN, right? How is ACORN stealing from me? By creating a little extra work for poll workers? And my taxes pay for the poll workers? Is that what you are trying to say? I honestly don't see any other way you could argue ACORN is stealing from me.

Obama's campaign paid Citizens Services Inc., a subsidiary of ACORN, to work in "get-out-the-vote" projects, in Ohio. Campaign contributions, not tax money, so I doubt it was classic's money.:headshake

Sorry,no - there was some thread drift there. I was referring to my taxes paying for the promises of the candidates.

Re: ACORN ...

Seems like the system is working pretty well.

Ah. I got ya now. Can't argue with that then.

Just found this from the
Wall Street Journal
This doesn't look very good either.

The problem with that article is that Acorn is a large organization involved with at least a dozen different projects through various sub-groups and affiliates.

One part of the article talks about the American Institute for Social Justice and the next sentence the American Environmental Justice Project. Then the next talks about the Acorn Housing Corporation. They talk like it's one entity where it's really a bunch of them under the Acorn banner.

And the side of anyone else that was working to help the poor. "Included Acorn", but don't bother to tell us who or how many others it included. I'm sure most people, including McCain, would praise any group that tried to get people involved and registered to vote. Obama, Acorn, and others, were fighting the same fight, so working together makes sense.

It's apparent that some of the people working on getting people registered to vote, are former Enron accountants, trying to bolster their performance with phony names. But that said, it doesn't mean that everything Acorn does, or the people that work with them, are tainted.

I am really tired of this 'association game' the McCain campaign is playing. But I guess it is a tried and true republican tactic. Its so ingrained that they do it EVEN when their candidate is guilty of the same association!

Heres McCain sitting next to Rep. Kendrick Meek at a rally that was spinsored by NAOC in sponsorship with ACORN. McCain was the keynote speaker.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...CORN_dc004.jpg

This is funny. ACORN idiots.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e43_1224086229&p=1

People are pushing really hard for registrations right now (recently), and often people that are unqualified try to register. This is why people collecting registrations get paid per verifiable registrant and not unverfiable registrants. The person out there with a clipboard is not allowed to do a background check on your registration qualifications they are only supposed to get people signed up just in case.

Then they turn the paperwork into the appropriate department to fact check because they are not permitted to do so.

My point? The whole basis for the ACORN scandal is off by miles. It is only their job to collect information so people can register and not verify it. If the government has a problem with verifying registrations maybe they should not outsource to people that try to do the footwork for their lazy fucking asses. Huh? Do you think that they are going to have their own people pounding the pavement so people will register? Fucking no. They have to contract with someone because they huff and puff when real work has to get done.

If people sign up and know they are not qualified, that is on them and not the company hired to do the registration drive. All of the information is verified every time a registration drive occurs. This happens on the local level and during a national election. Why make a stink about false registrations now? Many people are hit up to just sign the clipboard and guess what? They do. And yes it is the job of the department to verify everyone's registration status when they indicate their intention to vote. Ab so fucking lutely. And. I like ACORN. They sponsored some projects with a group I was with about 3 years ago, and they were fantastic. Oh the scandal. ;)

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Hey, why you not on the hatin' bandwagon, Cic? :rolleyes:

Nice post! I second Pico's thumbs up!

I'm sorry, I was still editing when you guys commented. Heh. Sorry. The post is a little more "detailed" now. You may put your thumbs down if you wish. lol! Value added cussing happened because Cicero got tired of hearing about the third party utilized in a political scandal because it is the first thing people do. Pick on the the third party contractor doing the work as they are usually a little squemish non-profit. That just happened during the last job, then trickled down to me and I have a knee jerk when I see it happen to someone else. I got played. And so is ACORN. They are not contracted to verify the information because that is against the law. And the job of your voting offices and whatever lazy ass is hating the fact that they have to do their job right now.

I can't blame the people working for ACORN for scaming the system. Looks like they have either been encouraged to do it or are motivated by the income. No one should be faulted for that. But you would think they might have a little bit of ethics and morality, considering they are dealing with an election, to not go back to the same guy 72 times.

What's to scam? Fake registrations they don't get paid for? Come fucking on. That's how these numbers got out, because all of it is supposed to be validated. Who probably noticed the issue first? ACORN. No matter who contracts to do a drive there is always a voter asshole, or several. ACORN can't judge and not allow a tranny to register. ACORN isn't even allowed to ask for a fucking id. Get REAL.

ACORN is not allowed, to disallow the same person from registering 100 times or a thousand if they want to. They supply names, addresses, signatures, party affiliation, and that is all they are fucking there to do. That's it. That is all. They are not allowed to validate shit because of the liability of your information being supplied to one of their peasant registrars. That's why it is the job of the registration office to do their job. ACORN did theirs. Collect information. Good or Bad. They collect information. They are not responsible for the dumb ass people that try and register 200 times. Their only job is to collect the data for verification. Someone can write BOOGA BOOGA BOOGA is my name and I live at 55 Dope Ln. in Chattanooga fuckedville, AK 80097, and I am voting with Martian Party @$#$%^%^. And ACORN has to supply it for verification. They are contracted to do their job and they have. They didn't hide the information the public gave them which is why it's so fucking easy to blame them. They did their job. Which is why you, Merc. Even found out about it.

They said hey! We have collected this name 70 times mmm'kay? And submit. Their job, that's it.

So say they are scammers, whatever. It just says more about the American Public and the crazy shit they do and say, than ACORN.

A four time felon can say yes I want to register, and ACORN says sign here..They are not allowed into that guy's records. AT ALL. It does them no good to get bad signatures. But 14 percent of signatures are bad for one reason or another. That's the public for you. And it happens every time. Not just this election, but for every local or state or any other initiative, where you have people signing a clipboard, people are going to write bullshit. Unusable bullshit. This happens all the time Merc. Not just ACORN and not just this election.

That's right, get random registrar with random John Q., and a lot of your information is going to be unusable for various reasons.

Do you know what ACORN is allowed to check? Whether the information supplied was legible (outside of the signature), and to ask that they sign again if it was not.

I know these elections are getting heated, but let's not lose sight of basic, really basic facts. ACORN did their job and I am sticking to that. I have no political MO for saying that either. None.

Oh and this doesn't mean that you aren't my awesome Merc. :) mmm k? ;)

I'm just asking here, How do you know the peeps on the street are not paid based upon the number vs. quality?

Probably from a news source, I mean other than the Cellar:

Levenson "also strenuously denied suggestions that the group pays canvassers by the number of names they sign up, and that they have quotas," which has been otherwise misreported by many, even as a quick check of Acorn's fact sheets note that "Our canvassers are paid by the hour, not by the card," and that "Acorn has a zero-tolerance policy for deliberately falsifying registrations, and in the cases where our internal quality controls have identified this happening we have fired the workers involved and turned them in to election officials and law-enforcement".

AND

Those who wish to believe in the hoax, however, attempt to link to article after article about allegations of voter fraud carried out by Acorn. And yet, the articles themselves - if one bothers to actually read them - reveal that either 1) They describe allegations and investigations brought by Republican agents, with little or no evidence of any wrong doing, and certainly no "voter fraud" 2) Where voter registration fraud has occurred it has been by rogue Acorn employees, originally reported to authorities by Acorn themselves, or 3) Smoke and mirrors are used to cloud the fact that not a single fraudulent vote has actually been cast by anyone associated or registered by Acorn.

So are you saying that 85% of ACORN's problems are directly traceable to top management?

Sheesh...