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classicman 10-13-2008 08:43 AM

The coming liberal thugocracy
 
Michael Barone COMMENTARY:

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"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors," Barack Obama told a crowd in Elko, Nev. "I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face." Actually, Obama supporters are doing a lot more than getting into people's faces. They seem determined to shut people up.

That's what Obama supporters, alerted by campaign e-mails, did when conservative Stanley Kurtz appeared on Milt Rosenberg's WGN radio program in Chicago. Mr. Kurtz had been researching Mr. Obama's relationship with unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers in Chicago Annenberg Challenge papers in the Richard J. Daley Library in Chicago - papers that were closed off to him for some days, apparently at the behest of Obama supporters.

Obama fans jammed WGN's phone lines and sent in hundreds of protest e-mails. The message was clear to anyone who would follow Mr. Rosenberg's example. We will make trouble for you if you let anyone make the case against The One.

Other Obama supporters have threatened critics with criminal prosecution. In September, St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch and St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce warned citizens that they would bring criminal libel prosecutions against anyone who made statements against Mr. Obama that were "false." I had been under the impression that the Alien and Sedition Acts had gone out of existence in 1801-'02. Not so, apparently, in metropolitan St. Louis. Similarly, the Obama campaign called for a criminal investigation of the American Issues Project when it ran ads highlighting Mr. Obama's ties to Mr. Ayers.

These attempts to shut down political speech have become routine for liberals. Congressional Democrats sought to reimpose the "fairness doctrine" on broadcasters, which until it was repealed in the 1980s required equal time for different points of view. The motive was plain: to shut down the one conservative-leaning communications medium, talk radio. Liberal talk-show hosts have mostly failed to draw audiences, and many liberals can't abide having citizens hear contrary views.

To their credit, some liberal old-timers - like House Appropriations Chairman David Obey - voted against the "fairness doctrine," in line with their longstanding support of free speech. But you can expect the "fairness doctrine" to get another vote if Barack Obama wins and Democrats increase their congressional majorities.

Corporate liberals have done their share in shutting down anti-liberal speech, too. "Saturday Night Live" ran a spoof of the financial crisis that skewered Democrats like House Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank and liberal contributors Herbert and Marion Sandler, who sold toxic-waste-filled Golden West to Wachovia Bank for $24 billion. Kind of surprising, but not for long. The tape of the broadcast disappeared from NBC's Web site and was replaced with another that omitted the references to Mr. Frank and the Sandlers. Evidently NBC and its parent, General Electric, don't want people to hear speech that attacks liberals.

Then there's the Democrats' "card check" legislation that would abolish secret ballot elections in determining whether employees are represented by unions. The unions' strategy is obvious: Send a few thugs over to employees' homes - we know where you live - and get them to sign cards that will trigger a union victory without giving employers a chance to be heard.

Once upon a time, liberals prided themselves, with considerable reason, as the staunchest defenders of free speech. Union organizers in the 1930s and 1940s made the case that they should have access to employees to speak freely to them, and union leaders like George Meany and Walter Reuther were ardent defenders of the First Amendment.

Today's liberals seem to be taking their marching orders from other quarters. Specifically, from the college and university campuses where administrators, armed with speech codes, have for years been disciplining and subjecting to sensitivity training any students who dare to utter thoughts that liberals find offensive. The campuses that once prided themselves as zones of free expression are now the least free part of our society.

Obama supporters who found the campuses congenial and Mr. Obama himself, who has chosen to live all his adult life in university communities, seem to find it entirely natural to suppress speech they don't like and seem utterly oblivious to claims this violates the letter and spirit of the First Amendment. In this campaign, we have seen the coming of the Obama thugocracy, suppressing free speech, and we may see its flourishing in the four or eight years ahead.

Michael Barone is a nationally syndicated columnist.
Very interesting article and contrary to what most of the media is thinking. I hope that all this smoke doesn't lead to a fire. I hope all the whispers about Obama and his alleged associations aren't true. This is too important an election.

smoothmoniker 10-13-2008 10:44 AM

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"Saturday Night Live" ran a spoof of the financial crisis that skewered Democrats like House Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank and liberal contributors Herbert and Marion Sandler, who sold toxic-waste-filled Golden West to Wachovia Bank for $24 billion. Kind of surprising, but not for long. The tape of the broadcast disappeared from NBC's Web site and was replaced with another that omitted the references to Mr. Frank and the Sandlers. Evidently NBC and its parent, General Electric, don't want people to hear speech that attacks liberals.
Holy crap, I remember seeing that sketch, and thinking, "This is unusually good critique of both sides - I'm used to SNL skewering the right mercilessly, but this is new!"

Then, the clip was edited. Here's the edit - the original dialogue about campaign contributions went right the line "Nice to see you again, Nancy" in the original broadcast. I'll see if I can lift it from TIVO and post it.

Cicero 10-13-2008 01:30 PM

I got something different from that sketch.

Hmph....Yes people that don't qualify aren't just poor. They are losers. As we all know, basic logic:

All poor people are losers:
Tony is a poor person therefore:
Tony is a loser.

*don't feel sorry for those people, losers*


People that don't qualify are also quazi criminals (single males as well, it would seem).

laffy.

Shawnee123 10-13-2008 01:48 PM

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Raymond Barone is a nationally syndicated columnist

bluecuracao 10-13-2008 02:17 PM

Just a little FYI, the following is a more complete version of the quote that was taken out of context.

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"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face," he said.

"And if they tell you that, 'Well, we're not sure where he [Obama] stands on guns.' I want you to say, 'He believes in the Second Amendment.' If they tell you, 'Well, he's going to raise your taxes,' you say, 'No, he's not, he's going lower them.' You are my ambassadors. You guys are the ones who can make the case."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...&type=politics

regular.joe 10-13-2008 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cicero (Post 493127)
I got something different from that sketch.

Hmph....Yes people that don't qualify aren't just poor. They are losers. As we all know, basic logic:

All poor people are losers:
Tony is a poor person therefore:
Tony is a loser.

*don't feel sorry for those people, losers*


People that don't qualify are also quazi criminals (single males as well, it would seem).

laffy.



Um, what the skid did actually say was that these guys portrayed as jobless, perhaps with a criminal record...did qualify for a sub prime loan. I mean, that is exactly what the skit said, in one segment of the skit. I think that was a joke, with some grounds in reality. People have been given loans that they just can't afford.

You know, the only reason I'm not personally affected by the sub prime loan thing is I can't afford a home. I have been qualified by several lending institutions as to be able to afford a home, well not lately. The bottom line is I can't buy what I can't afford. I will not let someone who wants between 5 and 30 percent of my money convince me that I can afford one. Even if I could afford one, I'm not willing to pay 5 to 30 percent of that phenomenal cost to anyone. I'm trying to convince my wife that this is a true statement. I'm so sick of credit that if I needed a tooth pulled and couldn't afford it, I'd barter.
I'd rather put the money in a mason jar and save enough to buy a home then put one on credit right now.

Cicero 10-13-2008 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by regular.joe (Post 493148)
Um, what the skid did actually say was that these guys portrayed as jobless, perhaps with a criminal record...did qualify for a sub prime loan. I mean, that is exactly what the skit said, in one segment of the skit. I think that was a joke, with some grounds in reality. People have been given loans that they just can't afford.

Yes and it also stated: do you feel sorry for these guys, then portrayed complete losers....like they were the majority of people that got screwed. That's alright I didn't expect anyone here to have compassion for the people that lost their homes. But I definitely didn't expect SNL to make a mockery of the affected jobless sniveling criminal losers. Must be a nation of whiney losers.

lumberjim 10-13-2008 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 492956)
This is too important an election.


This is what i disagree with. I don't think it matters at all who gets elected. not even a little bit. I'm going to vote, but I'm going to vote for whatever the Libertarian candidate is. I will continue to do that until our two party sham of a system is disassembled.


this has been my political contribution for the year. I hope you enjoyed it.

Shawnee123 10-13-2008 03:46 PM

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Raymond Barone is a nationally syndicated columnist

classicman 10-13-2008 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bluecuracao (Post 493146)
Just a little FYI, the following is a more complete version of the quote that was taken out of context.

Quote:

"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face," he said.

"And if they tell you that, 'Well, we're not sure where he [Obama] stands on guns.' I want you to say, 'He believes in the Second Amendment.' If they tell you, 'Well, he's going to raise your taxes,' you say, 'No, he's not, he's going lower them.' You are my ambassadors. You guys are the ones who can make the case."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...&type=politics

Nothing was taken out of context - In fact, this (bold mine) is incorrect. If someone is making over $250,000 then he admittedly and unabashedly states that he will raise their taxes.

Shawnee123 10-13-2008 03:52 PM

People making over $250,000 rarely attend Democratic campaign rallies. :eyebrow:

bluecuracao 10-13-2008 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 493183)
Nothing was taken out of context - In fact, this (bold mine) is incorrect. If someone is making over $250,000 then he admittedly and unabashedly states that he will raise their taxes.

Well yes, something was. Obama wasn't talking about shutting people up, as the commentary implies.

And come on, you have to know that all the speeches, ads, etc. by both parties are being aimed at folks who make under $250k, because that's where most of the potential votes are.

barefoot serpent 10-13-2008 04:08 PM

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...unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers
not enough acts of contrition, no self-flagellation?

oh, and
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Michael Barone is a nationally syndicated columnist.

Shawnee123 10-13-2008 04:09 PM

He forgot to say 10 Hail Marys and 10 Our Fathers?

Trilby 10-13-2008 04:32 PM

What's all this then? classicman is conceding?

We've already gone the way of the liberal thugocracy? I'm pretty sure only republicans are allowed to be thugs... :)

classicman 10-13-2008 06:10 PM

Bri - What am I conceding? I haven't even decided who to vote for yet - I gave myself another week to decide.

Blue - that was part of the semantics game - sorry my wiseass humor didn't translate well....again! maybe I should just stop trying.

ZenGum 10-14-2008 03:38 AM

A few of these liberal thugs have already been thrown mercilessly into prison, without trial!
Sisters and brothers, I beg you to join the Campaign to Free the Thugs.

TheMercenary 10-14-2008 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 493186)
People making over $250,000 rarely attend Democratic campaign rallies. :eyebrow:

That's a joke, right?

Shawnee123 10-14-2008 08:35 AM

Your face is a joke.

Just kidding. I was channeling Flint.

No, not a joke. I'm guessing most people in his audience that day weren't millionaires, or even quarter millionaires.

TheMercenary 10-14-2008 08:53 AM

Don't be fooled. Plenty of millionares and sub millionaires are Demoncrats. Name anyone in Congress. Look at who is supporting his campaign and what businesses are supporting him. The Demoncrats, and Hillary was the best at it, appeal the poor and downtrodden. Because they are the ones out there making all the promises about what they are going to do for them. Guess what, it isn't going to happen. Congress makes the laws, and Congress appropriates the monies. No promise made by any politician during an election cycle has been kept in full.

dar512 10-14-2008 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 493407)
Don't be fooled. Plenty of millionares and sub millionaires are Demoncrats.

Yeah. I'm still just a million dollars short of being a millionaire.

Now if only I were a Dem.

TheMercenary 10-14-2008 09:00 AM

Lemme see now, we've got an $850 billion bailout of wall street in progress. Pelosi wants to call congress back after the election and pass another $150 billion "incentive" plan. Now Obama wants to throw in an additional $60 billion.

That's $1.6 TRILLION. (Gonna have to buy some more printing presses to handle the load of all that new money there Barrack)

Shawnee123 10-14-2008 09:09 AM

I'm laughing my ass off...when the fuck did the whole financial mess become Obama's fault? Someone said there is a 5-10 year lag in policy change, so we can't blame the current administration (which I don't get, either) but now we're projecting blame into the future?

I see what you did, thar.

TheMercenary 10-14-2008 09:13 AM

It is the fault of Congress and the people who made the laws that allowed the markets to bloat and burst.

classicman 10-14-2008 09:13 AM

Not to nitpick, but I think you got your billions and trillions mixed up there. Just sayin

TheMercenary 10-14-2008 09:15 AM

Oops! :D

classicman 10-14-2008 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 493418)
Someone said there is a 5-10 year lag in policy change, so we can't blame the current administration (which I don't get, either) but now we're projecting blame into the future?

No, I'm not projecting blame into the future at all. Its just that many policy changes take a lot of time to actually be implemented and take hold. MOST TIMES.

I never said we cannot blame the current administration either. Lets see - 8 years in office and I said a 5-10 year timeframe... 8 is still in between 5 & 10 right? Cuz if its not I didn't get the memo.

Shawnee123 10-14-2008 09:29 AM

I've just heard it time after time, from both parties. If your guy is in office, it's the fault of the guy before him, or the congress who won't let your guy do what needs done. If your guy is not in office, then it's the fault of the guy in office.

Adjust time frames and blame to taste, stir, serve over rhetoric.

;)

classicman 10-14-2008 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 493436)
I've just heard it time after time, from both parties. If your guy is in office, it's the fault of the guy before him, or the congress who won't let your guy do what needs done. If your guy is not in office, then it's the fault of the guy in office.
Adjust time frames and blame to taste, stir, serve over rhetoric.

Excuse me that post belongs in the "Political Drinks" thread.

classicman 10-14-2008 09:40 AM

I'll try it this way - All I'm saying is that an incumbent, at any time, inherits some of the effects of the prior two terms and many times they take credit for things they had nothing to do with. Or vice versa.

*I am speaking in general terms.

TheMercenary 10-14-2008 09:41 AM

Just add Ice. :D

TheMercenary 10-14-2008 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 493436)
I've just heard it time after time, from both parties. If your guy is in office, it's the fault of the guy before him, or the congress who won't let your guy do what needs done. If your guy is not in office, then it's the fault of the guy in office.

Adjust time frames and blame to taste, stir, serve over rhetoric.

;)

Good one.

bluecuracao 10-14-2008 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 493407)
Demoncrats

Did you make this word up yourself, or is it one of those nutty talk radio lingo-isms?

Shawnee123 10-14-2008 11:32 AM

It goes along with Nobama. Yawn.

classicman 10-14-2008 11:44 AM

Its an Obamination I tell ya!

BigV 10-14-2008 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 493434)
No, I'm not projecting blame into the future at all. Its just that many policy changes take a lot of time to actually be implemented and take hold. MOST TIMES.

I never said we cannot blame the current administration either. Lets see - 8 years in office and I said a 5-10 year timeframe... 8 is still in between 5 & 10 right? Cuz if its not I didn't get the memo.

Carter defeated the Soviet Union?

classicman 10-14-2008 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 493525)
Carter defeated the Soviet Union?

Yeh he did. The Soviets were all allergic to peanuts and that was his secret weapon.

Shawnee123 10-14-2008 12:36 PM

Shhh, now they have to kill you, man.

TheMercenary 10-14-2008 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bluecuracao (Post 493483)
Did you make this word up yourself, or is it one of those nutty talk radio lingo-isms?

I doubt I was the first one to think of it, but I have been using it for the last 8 years.

BigV 10-14-2008 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 493555)
I doubt I was the first one to think of it, but I have been using it for the last 8 years.

Well stop using it. See what happens.

Blonde walks into doctor's office, says everything hurts. Doc says show me. Blonde touches kneecap, "This hurts"; touches ear, "This hurts"; touches rib, "This hurts"; touches stomach, "This hurts"; touches neck, "This hurts".

Doctor checks her out and hands her a small splint and sends her on her way.

Blonde says "What's this for? I feel pain in all those places."

Doctor says "You have a broken finger."

** ** ** **

mercy, I think you have an inflamed blamer. Try resting that finger. Stop abusing it with that kind of language and see if things don't clear up right away.

Sundae 10-14-2008 02:55 PM

Ah. I have said it with less humour on another post.
Name calling demeans the caller.
I know it didn't work like that at school, when no matter what your Mum said no-one thought they were childish because they called you names (and they weren't picking on you because they were jelaous either) but it does apply in the grown up world. Not the jealous bit though.

HungLikeJesus 10-14-2008 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 493424)
Not to nitpick, but I think you got your billions and trillions mixed up there. Just sayin

I think to be more accurate we should use the terms megadollars, gigadollars and teradollars. That way is doesn't sound so bad.

Try it: I'll take 750 gigadollars, please.

lookout123 10-14-2008 05:11 PM

giggedy giggedy g

HungLikeJesus 10-14-2008 05:12 PM

Lookout, it's lookout looking in.

TheMercenary 10-14-2008 05:15 PM

I grok that gigadollar.

classicman 10-14-2008 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 493696)
Try it: I'll take 750 gigadollars, please.

I'll see your 750 gigadollars and raise you 500 megadollars

elSicomoro 10-14-2008 10:40 PM

Fuck you all...I got a googol.

Incidentally, that's
$10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
...so suck it!!!

classicman 10-14-2008 10:57 PM

lmao

ZenGum 10-15-2008 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 493808)
I'll see your 750 gigadollars and raise you 500 megadollars

: snort :

So, the pot is, 750.5 Gigadollars, then? I'll raise it to a gazillion.

HungLikeJesus 10-15-2008 09:02 AM

Megadollars? Ha, that's a rounding error. If a megadollar falls out of my pocket, I don't even bother picking it up.

TheMercenary 10-15-2008 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sycamore (Post 493820)
Fuck you all...I got a googol.

Incidentally, that's
$10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
...so suck it!!!

That is the cost of Obama's health care plan.

classicman 10-15-2008 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 493835)
: snort :

So, the pot is, 750.5 Gigadollars, then? I'll raise it to a gazillion.

I call - whatta ya got?

DanaC 10-15-2008 05:35 PM

Billions. I used to think that meant 1000, 000, 000....because it did! That's one of those little changes that occur around you without you really noticing it. The official definition of billion changed in the UK 1974, but maths teachers were a little reluctant to let go of the old way and I was in my thirties before I bothered noticing that this had changed :P

From wiki:

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Although some residual usage of the long scale continues in the UK, the phrases "British usage" and "American usage" are no longer accurate or helpful characterizations. The two systems can be a subject of controversy and can arouse emotion. Usage changes can evoke resentment in adherents to the older system, while national differences of any kind can acquire patriotic overtones. [6]
*chuckles*

footfootfoot 10-15-2008 06:50 PM

I feel a little nausea in my brain right now.

DanaC 10-15-2008 07:18 PM

Billions. I used to think that meant 1000, 000, 000....because it did! That's one of those little changes that occur around you without you really noticing it. The official definition of billion changed in the UK 1974, but maths teachers were a little reluctant to let go of the old way and I was in my thirties before I bothered noticing that this had changed :P

From wiki:

Quote:

Although some residual usage of the long scale continues in the UK, the phrases "British usage" and "American usage" are no longer accurate or helpful characterizations. The two systems can be a subject of controversy and can arouse emotion. Usage changes can evoke resentment in adherents to the older system, while national differences of any kind can acquire patriotic overtones. [6]
*chuckles*

ZenGum 10-16-2008 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 493988)
I call - whatta ya got?

I got FOUR MILLION ACES! And they're ALL DIAMONDS!

Show!

bluecuracao 10-16-2008 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 493915)
That is the cost of Obama's health care plan.

If that's true, then we'll all be super fucking healthy then, won't we.

classicman 10-16-2008 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 494152)
I got FOUR MILLION ACES! And they're ALL DIAMONDS!

Show!

I got 2-7 off suit :0(

TheMercenary 10-16-2008 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bluecuracao (Post 494155)
If that's true, then we'll all be super fucking healthy then, won't we.

And broke dick as a country. But hey, we won't have any health bills!

classicman 10-19-2008 10:32 PM

An interesting description of Obama tax plan.

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Any questions about why the richest 2% get the most tax breaks?


Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand.


Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten
comes to $100.
If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something
like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.


So, that's what they decided to do.


The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy
with the arrangement, until on day, the owner threw them a curve.
"Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce
the cost of your daily beer by $20."Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the
first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But
what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide
the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?'
They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted
that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would
each end up being paid to drink his beer.
So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each
man's bill by roughly the sa me amount, and he proceeded to work out the
amounts each should pay.

And so:

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued
to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to
compare their savings.

"I only got a dollar out of the $20,"declared the sixth man. He pointed
to the tenth man," but he got $10!"

"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar,
too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!"

"That's true!!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back
when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get
anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine
sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the
bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money
between
all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our
tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most
benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being
wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might
start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.


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