Race Relations
 

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I found this very interesting. I know that racial bias exists, I think it always will, but I wonder how much of it is perceived and how much of it still exists.

The disparity of the views from whites to blacks was troublesome, but one area where the two agreed was on the question "do you think a solution will be worked out - over half of both groups thought a solution would be found. (57% white & 55% blacks)

I remain hopeful.

A solution? A solution to individual perceptions and attitudes?

It's called cultural training. The same technique works for gender and sexual orientation biases. But you knew that already.

And, of course, for the Red Guard, the Brown Shirts, the Cultural Revolution (China and Iran), the Young Pioneers ... yes, cultural training for ideological purposes has a wonderful history.

Show me where the "organization" is in this cultural training. We're 305,637,930 people living in one country, bumping elbows every day -- surely one becomes tolerant, or one becomes isolationist, paranoid, and extinct.

The trick to evolution is not that the individual changes; it's that the individual eventually dies.

A "solution", did you say? Ja, ve haff der Final Solution for you!

Is that 'final' like the final round of the Reader's Digest prize draw is 'final'?

I know, I've had it up to here (points at eyebrow) with "Diversity Training".
Oh, your country/region/culture has this custom and that tradition, well isn't that special.

But... oh yes, there is a but... and the but is, I don't give a hairy rat's ass about your customs or traditions.
I don't care what/who makes you horny.
I don't want to be your pal.
I only want to know when you're going to do your fucking job! :mad2:

"By the content of their character..." (or their ability to do their job!)
We are in agreement.

Sensible, Bruce. Sensible.

Holy shitballs man, you should come hang out in academia for a while. Higher Education has a religion, and its liturgy is "diversity".

God I couldn't agree more. It is mandatory in the military every year for every person. Hello, take a look around you, in many units the white people were the minority. I never understood why they didn't just change it to white peoples training. I am all for diversity, by merit.

Now Merc, you know that would be a racial term, don't you?

yea, but I never saw much training geared toward evidence of reverse racism either. You couldn't talk about it.

Reverse racism :headshake

"Diversity training" at the last three companies I've worked for has not focused on race. The thrust is towards understanding disabilities, educational backgrounds, and "life issues".

"Life issues" = "Work-life balance" = "I have to leave early to take care of my kids/mother/dog"

That's about it. Talking about race is passe.

Most of the diversity training I've been on has been about disabilities and gender awareness (more in terms of LBGT than anything). There's been some stuff about race, and religion, but these are very sticky areas in the UK, so I think it can be appropriate. Even that has been quite interesting and useful and has included myth busting' as part of its focus; which can be really useful in cases where the employer/management aren't aware of certain issues and are being taken advantage of: people claiming something is their religion when it really isn't, often connected with disputes over uniforms and holidays.

In my experience diversity training has been very much a two way street.

This shit goes way beyond black & white.

Being with a company that has a global market, and in a division that has a global military market, the goal seems to emulate Noah's ark. Gather two (or more), from as many countries as possible. They may be bright and educated, but have no idea how to do their job, indeed, many don't seem to know what their job is.

So we all get mandatory diversity training about these many cultures these people sprouted from. It's something the company can brag about to the government and especially all these foreign customers, but it sure as hell doesn't get the product out the door.

While everyone is singing Kumbaya, I'm grinding my teeth trying to get the support I need to do my job. They could at least leave a bowl of milk out, if they expect it to be done in the morning.
Oh, wait, milk might offend some cultures. :rolleyes:

They probably get some tax benefits too

Is it like that list of countries involved in the A380? Everybody has to do their bit so everybody gets a jobs program?

# Wings - Broughton, Wales
# Fuselage parts - Hamburg, Germany
# Tailfin - Stade, Germany
# Rudder - Puerto Real, Spain
# Nose - Saint Nazaire, France
# Fuselage and cockpit sub-assemblies - Méaulte, France
# Horizontal tailplane - Getafe, Spain
# Final assembly - Toulouse, France
# Cabin installation and painting - Hamburg, Germany

Wow.

Private pool that costs $740 for a family of 4, brings in 65 kids from the ghetto, and the membership gets surprised... priceless.

What is wrong with people?

We belong to a pool. It was a big decision to join, because it's damn expensive. If our pool allowed a day camp to come in with 65 kids at a time, I'd be pissed. Regardless of their skin color. 65 kids will take a moderately crowded pool and turn it into a sardines in a can type of situation. Too damn crowded. Then, on top of that, you can assume the day campers don't know the pool rules and etiquette, so they would probably be causing a bit of a disruption.

If they are going to make the pool available to the camp, they should close it to the members during those hours. Just like a swim meet or water aerobics classes do.

Hopefully, the powers that be at your pool would have enough sense to blame it on crowding, rather than changing the "complexion" or "atmosphere" of your club.

Now excuse me while I drink a cup of tea with my pinky out...oh BIFF, tennis later?

;)

See! That's just it. You can't eat or drink on the pool deck. You have to be up by the sticky picnic tables and trash cans for that tea. Watch out for the yellow jackets. And no, that's not a racial slur. ;)

:)

I think about the municipal pool when I was younger...it was probably kind of gross, in retrospect. I could ride my bike to it, though. Mostly, it was about what boys were there.

Oh, and the yellow jackets and the hot potato sticks covered in ketchup and the high dive and the catch games (when the deep-end lifeguard would let us) and all that stuff.

Our pool isn't that expensive, but members (of all ethnic origins) would still be pretty mad if a day camp were allowed in during regular swim hours, no matter how much money it made the pool. The whole thing about private pools is that they are quiet and -especially with small pools- members all know one another and are far more respectful of one another than patrons at a public pool. This means that pools can adopt more relaxed rules and etiquette because there is less requirement for guards and pool staff to reiterate and enforce rules. Also, when there are just families, there is a much higher adult/kid ratio so parents help youngsters stay in line and learn the etiquette. When you add busloads of kids with a few couselors, pool staff become babysitters and blanket bans on everything are much easier to explain and enforce when you have a whole load of people who don't know each other too well, but are much less condusive to a nice day at the pool.

clearly, here the management made a stupid greed-based decision and handles the backlash poorly. No doubt there was some racism/elitism in the reactions from some of the members, but the blame for this lies firmly with the pool management.

Word.

Man, some real racists up there in Ohio.... and most of the US thinks the South is racist.

Akron police investigate teen mob attack on family

Why am I afraid it will eventually be found that the whole story is BS? 3 drunk white guys decide to beat on eachother and blame it on a roving mob of black kids.

Would this be a bad time to say Go Bucks!? You know. Ohio State Buckeyes. :bolt:

Anyway, it could have been anywhere. Not all of us think that people in the south are racist. I know it's everywhere.

Is this Personal Inner Vengeance Agenda Day?

Well as one poster stated, it could be a Tawana Brawley type event. I guess we will see.

If they had shot the first dozen, the others would have thought twice.

Or the white guys started it. Who knows?
Yeah, shooting unarmed teens is always a good thing. :right:

What if the black teens had been armed, and shot the white family? Yippy guns! In this situation, nobody died. The family still has a father, parents of the group of teens still have their children.

Oh goody, dozens of parents still have their little hoodlums... until they are jailed raping their teacher or for killing a cop, because nobody taught them there are consequences for gangsterism, this time.

Yeah...gettin shot and killed. Now there's a proper lesson in life...

Yeah, just get a few dozen friends together and you can terrorize/beat people with impunity. Now there's a proper lesson in life...

Are you seriously suggesting that it would have been a much better outcome, had some of those boys been shot?

Yes, teach the rest of them a lesson they won't soon forget.
You can let these punks beat on you till the cows come home, I will not.

Just shoot their penises (penii?) off. Then they can have their own gang of guys with no dicks. All the other gangs will be so busy laughing at No Dix Gang, with their pink colors and highly-pitched war cries, that they'll totally forget to rape and rampage and thieve and sell crack.

Never burst someone's balloon: just prick them so they know they're leaking.

Ya fuckin' shoot back, Spexx. (Well, not you. You'd just fucking die right on the spot. End. Finito. Cancel all life memberships. Become a statistic owing to your mental short circuit.) Didn't you learn anything from your meltdown of a couple years ago??? Were you as intelligent as I, that is as genuinely enlightened, you would have done so by now, but I guess you're just crippled in the head by being such a raving hoplophobe. I must remember to thank God I'm smarter than you, tonight before bedtime...

Why is it that people who love guns get terribly bent out of shape at other people who don't love guns? Is it necessary that I love guns so that I can see as you do? Does the love of guns make you smarter, and a more worthy individual? Really? See, I don't give a rat's ass if you love guns. Love them to death. Sleep with them. Marry them. Who cares?

Expecting everyone to see it as you do, and viewing them as lesser if they don't, only serves to make you look like the fool.

I will never ever order a pizza with you. I am sure that my hate of mushrooms will be met with disdain, disbelief, and disgust...and will result in receiving a pizza with mushrooms because you are right and I am just stupid to hate mushrooms. You'll tell me to pick them off, but I will know that the scent and taste and general essence of mushrooms linger long after I've flicked the offending fungus at your face.

I don't think most do get bent out of shape. Well they may only get bent out of shape at the ones who want to further restrict our proctect right to own and shoot them or place other restrictions on ownership or shooting. Other than that it is really a non-issue. :D

UG gets bent out of shape. Clearly my post indicates I don't care who you all shoot. Shoot each other for all I care, but I reserve the right to think guns are icky. ;)

UG gets bent out of shape over evrything.

I get bent out of shape over fatuity. Happens here a lot. I'm never the one.

The haters of guns are the makers and facilitators of genocide -- or on the retail scale, murder and other savagery. The sacred principle of self-defense, which is inalienable, must in consequence of its sacredness never be messed with. Prohibiting it makes genocide possible -- and it's the most efficient way to make genocide possible.

A good many people do stay ignorant of the gun-control/genocide connection, though. Yet it's hardly a secret.

A decent man is offended by genocides or pogroms. These become impossible once their targets are armed.

Now really, given all the above, where's the huge giant problem with seeing as clearly as I do? Why wouldn't you? -- for I know that this is an act of will, not to see this as I do.

Perhaps to the aberrant, and the genocide lovers. Not to the people of depth and wisdom, whom I do esteem, and who are not fools.

They get that murder and genocide are icky. By comparison, your own private AK looks positively angelic.

Mind if I call you a dreadful, anti-hobbit philistine, then? :rolleyes: [Given my untrammeled druthers, I like sausage plus black olives and mushrooms on pizza.]

There may be no accounting for taste, but there is an accounting for resisting crime and genocide, which are evils. That's where the gun lovers are better than those unenlightened gun haters. That is where the gun lovers look so much farther ahead than the gun haters. This is what improves the gun lovers so much over the gun haters.

I'll bet you never even thought of any of this.

No, uh, I don't no how to think...I stupid and moronick.

Go jack off on your big gun, you big man. You know you want to. Your big gun is what sets you apart from others. We thought it was your big brain, but we were wrong. Thanks for explaining things to me. I'm headed to the gun and knife show because I'm scared of society.

Yeah man. It's the fucking pacifists who make the world dangerous. Bet that was the problem in Rwanda eh? People just didn't want to have weaponry. There just wasn't enough weaponry about to end the bloodshed. Mayube if they'd had a handful more machetes, just a sprinkling more of AK-47s, maybe then there'd have been a pleasanter outcome.

Generally speaking my country leaves its guns in the hands of the professionals. Occasionally that leads to an unnecessary and unjust death. It has never, and I don't believe it ever will, lead to a genocide at the hands of an armed state.

However much you guys arm, you will never and can never arm yourselves to the extent that your military can. Your guns may well protect you from armed robbers or intruders with ill intent. They may even cause any government who chose to commit genocide against any people within the USA some measure of concern and cost. But they wouldn't save you against the world's most advanced and well-funded military. An armed populace is no defence against genocide. It may, theoretically, be a defence against governmental oppression, inasmuch as it may make the cost of success rise too high to be paid. If the government wanted to conduct a war against its own people, and had military or vigilante support for that war, all the underground survival shelters and serried rows of tinned beans won't save them, and nor would hunting rifles, however loosely that term is applied.

Where would you rather live, smart boy... Britain, where the population doesn't have guns, or Iraq, where they do?

It's a simple question and I expect a direct answer.

Smart boy was here and didn't answer... again

He's composing an answer about how stupid we all are. I expect it will take some time. ;)

bwahahahahahahahahaaa!!! :D Good one Shawnee!

Poor UG. He's soooooo misunderstood.

Don't you people know he's just trying to help you live a better life for yourselves???!!!

Pacifists like Neville Chamberlain? He made the world safer? :haha:

No it's not, a simple question is, would you rather live in North Korea with no guns or the United States with guns?

Iraq. Because I am not a sheep, nor am I your strawman. Braver than you, too, I daresay.

They don't know it. They can't believe there is a better lifeway than theirs... yet whenever they try to show it's an improvement, they just fail. My way of life adds up to a reproach to their way of life.

They don't, I think, actually misunderstand me. But I do make them acutely, terribly uncomfortable with their lives' choices. Somehow, I can always show where they're messed up. Loud is the ululating BAaaAAAaaaWWWW that comes out.

What should I feel for the people cleaving to distant second- or third-best?

Pacifists don't make the world so dangerous -- they make the body counts so much bigger. No thanks.