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monster 11-12-2008 09:42 PM

Do peanuts cause cancer?
 
my friends and I were discussing allergies over lunch today, and we noted that there are so many kids these days with peanut allergies -almost allof our kids are in class with at least one peanut allergy person. Nothing new there. But then the woman who is a nurse on the oncology ward at the University of Michigan children's Hospital (MOTTS) noted that they never have to deal with the peanut allergy issue up there.

So wait, kids with peanut allergy don't end up on the cancer ward. Hmmmm.

so I googled "peanuts cause cancer" and found this on the website of an organic peanut product seller:

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Finally, when peanuts grow, they can harbor a carcinogenic mold that contains aflatoxin. This goes for conventional and organic peanuts. In fact, peanut farmers have a disproportionately high rate of cancer. This mold grows on peanuts, pecans, pistachios, grains, soybeans, spices, walnuts and it can even grow on milk in warm humid soils. Aflatoxin is known to cause liver cancer.
link

so now I'm wondering if our idle lunchtime banter has led to a major medical breakthrough? ;)

but seriously.....could there be anything in this?

lumberjim 11-12-2008 09:45 PM

i can't wait for the clone thread.

monster 11-12-2008 09:49 PM

:lol:

monster 11-12-2008 09:50 PM

it was hard not to use that title for the original thread :D

Aliantha 11-12-2008 09:51 PM

Peanut allergies don't seem to be that common over here. Certainly not one in every class. Maybe one in the school. Most schools don't even have bans on peanut products. Some daycare centres do though.

monster 11-12-2008 09:56 PM

No bans on peanuts here -freedom of gluttony is in the constitution. But all classrooms and a couple of tables in the cafeteria are peanut-free.

monster 11-12-2008 09:59 PM

Ali "Falling is easy, it's the landing that hurts" your sig -what is that all about? Did you fall somewhere?

Fresh in my mind because figure skating class this morning and as always, hampered by my fear of falling. Falliing is hard, because i alwys quit rather than fall. On the rare occasions i do fall, landing is easy, because iI realize I'm still alive.....

Aliantha 11-12-2008 10:01 PM

No, just something I thought of one day when Dazza tripped over for about the third time in the space of a couple of hours...and he wasn't even drunk. Just sidetracked by his own thoughts.

He's generally pretty clumsy though, so for him falling is easy, but it's always hard when he hits the dirt.

monster 11-12-2008 10:09 PM

maybe beest needs the signature "walking is easy, it's the stuff I tread on that breaks"? :lol:

tw 11-12-2008 10:18 PM

So how do elephant peal the shells to get at the peanuts?

monster 11-12-2008 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 503706)
So how do elephant peal the shells to get at the peanuts?

85% of them get top management to do it.

Nirvana 11-12-2008 10:23 PM

Aflatoxin is a by product of mold found on wet feed grains similar in its effect to nerve gas. I would think it would cause a nervous system dysfunction before it would have time to cause cancer. Nice scare tactic on that website. Aflatoxin can be the culprit for renal failure in dogs and cats when pet food is contaminated with moldy feed grains. The first signs you usually see are rear limb paralysis as it usually manifests in a neurological response first. Cattle affected with aflatoxin poison are ataxic and usually present with abnormal neurological symptoms.

monster 11-12-2008 10:29 PM

so maybe there are other carcinogenic properties of peanuts?

Nirvana 11-12-2008 10:31 PM

I should have continued to say that the nervous system would present with symptoms before long term affects could really cause a cancer situation. So many eat peanut butter the whole country would have cancer if that website were true.

Nirvana 11-12-2008 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by monster (Post 503711)
so maybe there are other carcinogenic properties of peanuts?

http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA115491

Here is the article those "peanut heads" quoted leaving out the important facts like maybe roasting kills the aflatoxin etc.

detour 11-12-2008 10:42 PM

http://images.fanpop.com/images/imag...5_1024_768.jpg

the peanuts were an annual ritual at my house. The Great Pumpkin Special began the festivities for the season.....


and the Turkey day Special:
http://remote.lohudblogs.com/files/2...anksgiving.jpg

christmas:


I miss Charlie Brown

Nirvana 11-12-2008 10:47 PM

I was going to add this to my post but thought I should put it separate. My MIL died from aspergillosis because an oncologist diagnosed her with brain lesions and gave her radiation therapy which killed her within 24 hours. She was basically filled with a fungal infection that could have been treated. This is usually a disease caused by inhaling or being around moldy feed grains. Once the immune system is compromised for some reason it explodes and goes every where in the body.

Nirvana 11-12-2008 10:55 PM

Dang forgot again MIL presented with a nervous system symptom of paralysis in her legs and they first told her she had a stroke then they told her she had cancer.

Nirvana 11-12-2008 11:00 PM

15 years ago it was legal for dog food companies to use the feed grains not fit for human or livestock consumption. Science Diet was the culprit in a lot of aflatoxin poisonings back then and I had 3 dogs that proved that. They make a much bigger deal out of that kind of stuff now but back then the dogs and cats that were euthanized at vet's offices that people did not take home to bury were also used in the "meat meal" in dog and cat food. So any drug that was in the animal when it died was also in the dog food.

lumberjim 11-12-2008 11:02 PM

ya know.....the whole anti spammer rigmarole is fine and dandy, but it puts a hitch in the giddy up of situationally created sock puppets.

Nirvana 11-12-2008 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 503730)
ya know.....the whole anti spammer rigmarole is fine and dandy, but it puts a hitch in the giddy up of situationally created cock puppets.

fixed it for you!

xoxoxoBruce 11-12-2008 11:18 PM

According to the Philly paper, Monday I think, the latest thinking is the increase in peanut allergy in U.S. children, is because Doctors have been advising pregnant women to avoid peanut products and keep them away from young children. Now they think that pregnant women and young children should eat peanut products for the allergens.

They cited comparisons between countries that eat a lot of peanut products, and those that don't, in the number of children with peanut allergy.

Sundae 11-12-2008 11:46 PM

I remember one Christmas, Mum telling us to keep an eye on our brother around the peanuts - they had been identified as a choking hazard. Me, as a jealous ?7? year old, deliberately turned my back - and suffered hideous pangs of guilt late into the night, despite the fact he was still alive. Like me, he didn't even like peanuts, at least not enough to eat them if there was other food available. (Note, we had a big tub of salted peanuts out every Christmas, being the only time of year children were allowed to help themselves and eat what they wanted).

Aside from that confession, I do remember that a consignment of walnuts was contaminated a couple of years ago, and people were warned off buying them in case it had gone unnoticed in previous shippings. Not sure if nuts are Christmas food in the States, but in England we always had a bowl of nuts and a nutcracker at Christmas. Walnuts, hazelnuts, almonds. Like dates - only a few were ever eaten, but we had them every year!

xoxoxoBruce 11-12-2008 11:52 PM

Sure, we go nuts every Christmas. ;)

Aliantha 11-12-2008 11:59 PM

We've always done the nut thing in our house at Christmas, but we're a family that grows things like macadamia nuts etc, so they're a bit of a year round (seasonal) item too.

That reminds me. I need to get a new nut cracker for this one. :)

eta: Aden had his first taste of nuts at 5 weeks old if you can believe that. His father and I took my mum to baskin and robins for a sunday, and Kal ordered rocky road icecream in his. I was yabbering at my mum and then happened to glance back and here's Kal feeding our 5 week old his icecream and looking so proud of himself for doing so. Aden seemed as pleased as punch too. I threw a blue fit and told Kal what an idiot he was.

I did that a lot over the next couple of years.

DanaC 11-13-2008 06:06 AM

Not sure about the cancer aspet of this, but I heard somewhere that one of the reasons posited for the increased instances of peanut allergy in recent years might be that peanut oil is used in many preparations for treating eczema, and that this is somehow sensitising youngsters to peanuts, particularly youngsters who already have an allergy based condition (eczema).

Don't know if there's anything in it. Just something I heard.

lumberjim 11-13-2008 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nirvana (Post 503712)
I should have continued to say that the nervous system would present with symptoms before long term affects could really cause a cancer situation. So many eat peanut butter the whole country would have cancer if that website were true.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nirvana (Post 503714)
http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA115491

Here is the article those "peanut heads" quoted leaving out the important facts like maybe roasting kills the aflatoxin etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nirvana (Post 503722)
I was going to add this to my post but thought I should put it separate. My MIL died from aspergillosis because an oncologist diagnosed her with brain lesions and gave her radiation therapy which killed her within 24 hours. She was basically filled with a fungal infection that could have been treated. This is usually a disease caused by inhaling or being around moldy feed grains. Once the immune system is compromised for some reason it explodes and goes every where in the body.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nirvana (Post 503727)
Dang forgot again MIL presented with a nervous system symptom of paralysis in her legs and they first told her she had a stroke then they told her she had cancer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nirvana (Post 503729)
15 years ago it was legal for dog food companies to use the feed grains not fit for human or livestock consumption. Science Diet was the culprit in a lot of aflatoxin poisonings back then and I had 3 dogs that proved that. They make a much bigger deal out of that kind of stuff now but back then the dogs and cats that were euthanized at vet's offices that people did not take home to bury were also used in the "meat meal" in dog and cat food. So any drug that was in the animal when it died was also in the dog food.

FIPPLE POSTING?

DanaC 11-13-2008 10:40 AM

Quote:

make a much bigger deal out of that kind of stuff now but back then the dogs and cats that were euthanized at vet's offices that people did not take home to bury were also used in the "meat meal" in dog and cat food.
What, really? *winces* ohmigod that's disgusting. I did not know that. I don't know why that revolts me more than the fact they used to do the same with cattle feed, but the idea of a dog eating dog flesh goes through me like hearing of humans eating humans. Worse, becasue they're all innocent and unknowing as we feed them their meals.

Undertoad 11-13-2008 10:44 AM

It's a dog-eat-dog world.

Actually I think a dog would eat a dog, if it came across it somewhere.

lumberjim 11-13-2008 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by detour (Post 503717)
http://images.fanpop.com/images/imag...5_1024_768.jpg

the peanuts were an annual ritual at my house. The Great Pumpkin Special began the festivities for the season.....


and the Turkey day Special:
http://remote.lohudblogs.com/files/2...anksgiving.jpg

christmas:


I miss Charlie Brown

what a great first post. I'm really impressed by this newbie.

lumberjim 11-13-2008 11:24 AM


this one makes me happy

DanaC 11-13-2008 11:31 AM

I used to love Peanuts as a kid. I remember being bought two Peanuts cartoon books (the big thin hardback ones, brightly coloured, with red or green background). I think I could probably have closed my eyes and drawn half that book from memory I read it so much.

glatt 11-13-2008 11:58 AM

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My son has a peanut activity book that was created by the peanut council. He loves it. I mean, he wants to read it all the time. It's got peanut superhero comics, mazes, and stuff like that. Amazing.

Buddy McNutty is the man.

Trilby 11-13-2008 12:05 PM

I thought peanuts made you crazy, not cancerous.

DanaC 11-13-2008 12:27 PM

No, honey, that's just what they told you :P

Shawnee123 11-13-2008 12:37 PM

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Did anyone else have a Planters peanut butter maker?

DanaC 11-13-2008 12:53 PM

No.....but I fucking want one

Pie 11-13-2008 12:56 PM

Where does the peanut butter come out??? :eek:

Shawnee123 11-13-2008 01:25 PM

Now that sounds like peanuts envy if ever I heard of it!

Out the ear. :)

DanaC 11-13-2008 01:59 PM

Ouch. Oh Shawnee, that hurt.

Shawnee123 11-13-2008 02:33 PM

What, the big peanuts, or the ear? Or both?

busterb 11-13-2008 05:14 PM

Mumm! Boiled goobers. GREAT

DanaC 11-13-2008 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 503946)
What, the big peanuts, or the ear? Or both?

Mainly the outrageous pun..


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