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dar512 12-16-2008 02:40 PM

Caroline Kennedy wants the NY Senate Seat
 
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...grQZgD953L44G0

I don't know much about her. Anyone?

glatt 12-16-2008 02:41 PM

She's a Kennedy. What more is there? ;)

lookout123 12-16-2008 02:46 PM

Please. she's not really a kennedy unless she's murdered or raped someone.

Shawnee123 12-16-2008 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 514203)
Please. she's not really a kennedy unless she's murdered or raped someone.

Or have been assassinated? :eyebrow:

lookout123 12-16-2008 02:56 PM

That would make her one of the good ones. I guess she can keep her fingers crossed.

classicman 12-16-2008 04:02 PM

She's done relatively little and has next to no experience unless you count listening to the tales of Teddy and the others. Based upon that she's a virtual shoo-in.

Aliantha 12-16-2008 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 514199)
She's a Kennedy. What more is there? ;)

My thoughts exactly.

I'd say she'll get the seat. Anyone want to bet against it?

lookout123 12-16-2008 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 514263)
She's done relatively little and has next to no experience unless you count listening to the tales of Teddy and the others. Based upon that she's a virtual shoo-in.

we already elected a president though.

TheMercenary 12-16-2008 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 514263)
She's done relatively little and has next to no experience unless you count listening to the tales of Teddy and the others. Based upon that she's a virtual shoo-in.

She is buying her way into office on the coat tails of numerous dead and failed members of a rich family. I guess it is no different than Bush or the Clintons. And when the Clinton daughter enters politics in the same manner, no one should be surprised.

Like all things in life in which you have the chance to get ahead it involves three main elements:

1. Timing

2. Position

3. Lubrication.

wolf 12-17-2008 12:01 AM

I'd say she has more of a reason to be a New York Senator than Hillary Clinton ... at least she's actually lived in the jurisdiction.

She's tended to be more private than most of the rest of her family. For example, I don't know if she wears clothes as well as her mom.

Or if she's done anything more important/useful than trying to avoid papparazzi.

Oh, if only John-John hadn't learned to fly (or had learned to fly better).

glatt 12-17-2008 07:33 AM

I read a two page article about her on the cover of the Washington Post. I was pleased to see it, because I wanted to learn more about her. It said virtually nothing. The only thing I got out of it was that she enjoyed working on the Obama campaign and wanted to become more active in politics. She's an enigma.

classicman 12-17-2008 07:46 AM

Maybe thats all they had to work with.

ZenGum 12-17-2008 08:18 AM

"I can see Russia from my state. No, wait, Canada."

tw 12-17-2008 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 514486)
She's an enigma.

Since she is an enigma, then why do some already have aggressive and derogatory opinions? Oh. Review the names of those authors. Since Kennedy is a Democrat, then she must be evil – the Rush Limbaugh diatribe simply repeated by those authors. Those who know using facts (not a wacko extremist political agenda) instead see reality. She is an enigma.

tw 12-17-2008 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 514502)
"I can see Russia from my state. No, wait, Canada."

Wrong state. It’s called Connecticut. Fortunately we are not at war with Connecticut. But don’t tell Palin.

lookout123 12-17-2008 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tw (Post 514593)
Since she is an enigma, then why do some already have aggressive and derogatory opinions? Oh. Review the names of those authors. Since Kennedy is a Democrat, then she must be evil – the Rush Limbaugh diatribe simply repeated by those authors. Those who know using facts (not a wacko extremist political agenda) instead see reality. She is an enigma.


Paging tw.

Pie 12-17-2008 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 514595)
Fortunately we are not at war with Connecticut.

Yet.

dar512 12-17-2008 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pie (Post 514613)
Yet.

Why? Do you have an evil mastermind plan for world domination that begins in CT?
:tinfoil: :apistola: :shotgun:

glatt 12-17-2008 02:24 PM

Careful.

Groton has nukes. They can take out the entire Eastern Seaboard if they want.

lookout123 12-17-2008 02:35 PM

If there is enough warning to get all the dwellars to safety I'm not sure I see a downside to that Glatt.

Urbane Guerrilla 12-21-2008 05:00 AM

To disappoint tw in the manner I've come to enjoy, let the record show I do not have an "aggressive and derogatory" opinion about la Kennedy.

Read one of her books, about the Bill of Rights. I thought it feeble on the Second Amendment, and a fount of information on the Third. All about the one case, which never went to trial, in American jurisprudence where this Amendment was relevant.

That's about it, as far as my opinion goes.

TheMercenary 12-23-2008 04:57 PM

Anyway you look at it she is not qualified to be a Senator. The whole idea that Gov's get to appoint anyone is antiquated and needs to be thrown out. They need a simple 6 week election in every case. The people should make the decision.

xoxoxoBruce 12-23-2008 07:01 PM

What would that cost?

TheMercenary 12-23-2008 07:10 PM

A lot. But it would be democratic, not autocratic as it is now. When one blind dude who became the sittng gov by default hand picks the state senator there is a problem with the system.

xoxoxoBruce 12-23-2008 07:19 PM

Don't be ragging on blind people, they may be reading this thread. :haha:

skysidhe 12-25-2008 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 516248)
Don't be ragging on blind people, they may be reading this thread. :haha:

You have a way of taking a person totally off guard so that I find myself blindsided.


Oh hey!

(that pun was unintentional)

classicman 01-03-2009 10:43 PM

Pressure mounts over replacement for Clinton

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Facing one of the most nail-biting choices since the presidential election, David Paterson, the New York governor, has been told he would be guilty of “political malpractice” if he named anyone other than Caroline Kennedy as the state’s new junior representative in the Senate.

Mr Paterson, under intense pressure from some of the country’s most powerful political dynasties as he ponders his decision, has sole discretion to appoint a replacement for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, who is moving to the state department in Barack Obama’s administration.

Ms Kennedy, scion of the US’s most eminent political family, is credited with persuading Senator Edward Kennedy, her uncle and head of the Kennedy clan, to back Mr Obama’s presidential candidacy. It was a blow to Mrs Clinton’s presidential aspirations but it gives the Kennedys most-favoured status in the new White House.

What was described by New York political observers as Mr Sheekey’s “extraordinary” intervention has now highlighted Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s interest in a outcome that would give New York a hotline to the White House.

“If Caroline is appointed, Barack Obama has to come to New York as his first political trip to . . . support her and, in turn, New York,” Mr. Sheekey told the Daily News.

Sheldon Silver, the New York state assembly’s senior Democrat, last month accused Mr Bloomberg and Mr Sheekey of promoting Ms Kennedy for their own political motives, claiming that, if appointed, she would be beholden to the mayor rather than the governor.
Quote:

After she injected “you know” more than three dozen times in a single interview, one commentator said: “She’s turned out to be a no-pulse flat-liner with the vim, vigor, enthusiasm and passion of, um, you know, a wet noodle.”
:vomit:

TheMercenary 01-04-2009 07:08 AM

If she gets the job it is another symptom of everything that is broken in the process.

TheMercenary 01-04-2009 08:48 AM

This says it all.

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Robinson: Senator by any other name

GEVERYL ROBINSON
Sunday, January 4, 2009

Have you ever researched the meaning of your name?

Because my parents - correction, my maternal grandmother - named me Geveryl, I have always been fascinated by names and their meanings.

I am a firm believer that names dictate personality. There's no scientific proof, but I know during Biblical times, a child's name dictated his or her destiny. Jacob means "supplanter," and true to his name, Jacob tricked his brother out of his rights as the firstborn, then later out of his blessings from his dying father, Isaac.

The Prayer of Jabez (one of my favorite books) deciphers the prayer of a man named Jabez whose name means "born in pain." However, Jabez requested that God basically deliver him from his name so that he might live a life that was free of the pain and grief his name foreshadowed.

The point is that names can be a determining factor in how one's life is lived.

Just ask Caroline Kennedy.

It seems that being born a descendent of Joseph Patrick Kennedy and Rose Fitzgerald comes with undeniable privileges. True, the Kennedy family has seen its share of tragedies, but when it relates to politics, the Kennedys have a political dynasty. Now Caroline Kennedy would like to continue that dynasty by being appointed to Hillary Rodham Clinton's seat in the Senate. Let's ponder this, shall we?

Her father, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, was a U.S. president. Her uncle, Bobby, was a U.S. senator and a presidential candidate in 1968. Her uncle, Ted, is currently the U.S. senator from Massachusetts. Yet Caroline has never held even the lowliest of political offices and hasn't held a full-time job in years, if ever. If I'm not mistaken, the most controversial issues she's ever tackled head-on are poetry and public service.

But she has the Kennedy name, so the fact that her resume is basically non-existent is irrelevant. According to the Kennedy logic, and apparently the logic of New York Gov. David Paterson, if you have the right name, credentials don't matter.

Unfortunately, that logic is terribly flawed.

Think about it. Would you love to read a book of poetry by Gilbert Shakespeare (William's younger brother), or watch Mamie Ruth play baseball (although, I'm sure Babe would have been proud)?

And how many paintings by Francesco da Vinci (Leonardo's uncle) or Lola Picasso (Pablo's sister) are hanging in galleries across the United States and abroad? How many people wear Marci Klein jeans or would have attended the inauguration of Roger Clinton?

The sad thing is that Caroline Kennedy will probably be given the vacant Senate seat. Then we will continue the disturbing pattern of placing incompetent people in offices they should never hold because of who they are instead of what they can do for our country.

In Romeo and Juliet, (II, ii, 1-2) Juliet utters the unforgettable lines, "What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell just as sweet."

The Kennedy's have proven that there is a lot in a name. However, giving Caroline Kennedy Hillary Rodham Clinton's Senate seat doesn't smell just as sweet; it just smells.


Geveryl Robinson, formerly of Savannah, lives in Knoxville. Her e-mail address is geveryl@gmail.com.

tw 01-10-2009 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 518828)
If she gets the job it is another symptom of everything that is broken.

You mean that education that you could not get because you were not smart enough to get accepted anywhere? As others have said, TheMercenary's comments - what he is told to believe by Rush Limbaugh - is constant. So we should talk about why his must let him fuck her. Does she also believe that wong is your brain - you dumbfuck? Sorry. Plagiarism. I used a word reserved only for merc. Amazing. He knows words with more than four letters.

This is the Cellar that best represents what TheMercenary really is.

TheMercenary 01-10-2009 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 520938)
....TheMercenary... ....Rush Limbaugh....why his must let him fuck her.....you dumbfuck? .....merc. .....TheMercenary .....

SOS DD.

tw 01-10-2009 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 520944)
SOS DD.

Again a useful contribution ... IOW the best that TheMercenary can do. After all, he only understands attacking others. He also posted that he sometimes looks at the pictures in The Economist. That proves he can read.

Why does he not read it? No insults. Therefore it is boring. TheMercenary only understands attacking others and four letter words.

Notice how again he changes the tone of every thread. But that is also what Rush Limbaugh does. Therefore merc knows it must be good and right.

TheMercenary 01-10-2009 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 520959)
......TheMercenary .....The Economist. ......TheMercenary.....

You left out George Jr. again.

tw 01-10-2009 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 520962)
You left out George Jr. again.

George is not relevant. Relevant is why your wife loves to be raped. Or can't you do that anymore now that wackos have been voted out?

TheMercenary 01-10-2009 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tw (Post 520975)
George is not relevant. Relevant is why your wife loves to be raped. Or can't you do that anymore now that wackos have been voted out?

FTR

xoxoxoBruce 01-10-2009 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tw (Post 520975)
George is not relevant. Relevant is why your wife loves to be raped. Or can't you do that anymore now that wackos have been voted out?

Now! :eyebrow:

tw 01-11-2009 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 521033)
Now! :eyebrow:

Deal with the problem OR I will continue to post just like TheMercenary. I have no choice because you attack the symptom rather than deal with a problem that has existed long ago and is geting worse as you encourage it by your silence.

xoxoxoBruce 01-11-2009 07:49 PM

You're the fucking problem, asshole.

tw. 01-11-2009 08:26 PM

you do realize that he posted that at 2:25 pm, right?

xoxoxoBruce 01-11-2009 08:30 PM

I warned him at 2, he responded at 2:18, then posted here at 2:25. But reviewing, at 2:25 he didn't do it, just threatened to do it.

classicman 01-22-2009 06:14 PM

To get back on topic....

Housekeeper and Taxes Are Said to Derail Kennedy’s Bid

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Problems involving taxes and a household employee surfaced during the vetting of Caroline Kennedy and derailed her candidacy for the Senate, a person close to Gov. David A. Paterson said on Thursday, in an account at odds with Ms. Kennedy’s own description of her reasons for withdrawing.
The account emerged 14 hours after Ms. Kennedy announced that she was taking her name out of contention for the Senate seat vacated by Hillary Rodham Clinton, and as Mr. Paterson, according to two well-placed Democrats told of his thinking, was leaning toward selecting Representative Kirsten E. Gillibrand, an upstate lawmaker in her second term in Congress. Mr. Paterson has scheduled a news conference at noon Friday in Albany to announce his choice.

Hard feelings toward Ms. Kennedy were clearly building among the governor’s staff on Thursday, after a dramatic evening in which she was reported to be dropping out, then wavering, then ultimately, shortly after midnight on Thursday, issuing a statement ending her candidacy.

The person close to the governor said Mr. Paterson “never had any intention of picking Kennedy” because he had come to consider her unready for the job. The person did not describe the exact nature or seriousness of the tax and household employee issues.

But other Democratic operatives and people who talked to the governor disputed that account, and said that he had all but decided to select Ms. Kennedy as senator, and that his staff was arranging a press conference for late this week.

An aide to Ms. Kennedy said Thursday that while Ms. Kennedy had not been told for certain that she was the choice, there were strong indications that she would be.

During the early afternoon Wednesday, the aide said, Ms. Kennedy became aware of what the aide referred to as a “personal situation” that could prevent her from fulfilling her duties as senator. The personal situation was not related to the seizure that her uncle, Senator Edward M. Kennedy, suffered during an inauguration luncheon on Tuesday, the aide said, declining to be more specific.

Griff 01-22-2009 06:59 PM

Maybe Patterson is enforcing the new responsibility theme which should include paying your taxes and following the law of the land.

tw 01-22-2009 07:13 PM

The person who most deserved that appointment to Senator was NY AG Cuomo. He had demonstrated much competence and a strong desire to make hard decisions. Why Caroline Kennedy was even being considered is said to have been a great frustration to Cuomo.

However, it could be suggested that the Governor would let the Kennedy ‘campaign’ blow over; then appoint Cuomo after the turmoil settled. I don’t see any reason for appointing that Senate seat to Kennedy. When the public begins to grasp that, then the Governor probably will appoint Cuomo.

classicman 01-22-2009 09:55 PM

I didn't think Cuomo was in contention. Looks like its Gillibrand

Quote:

New York Gov. David Paterson will name Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand, an upstate Democrat, to replace Hillary Clinton in the U.S. Senate, a Democratic official with knowledge of the governor's decision told FOX News on Thursday night.

Gillibrand, elected in 2006, represents the state's 20th congressional district in the U.S. House of Representatives. She is the first Democrat to represent the district since 1978 -- and the first female representative of the district.

Paterson is scheduled to formally announce his pick Friday.

"I'm honored just to be considered," Gillibrand told FOX News earlier Thursday.

But some New York City Democrats are skeptical of Gillibrand, who voted against the financial rescue package last fall. And the National Rifle Association has endorsed Gillibrand -- another cause for concern among some Democrats.

In defense of the endorsement, Gillibrand told FOX News that she come from a "hunting family" and "wants to support hunter's rights."

The choice of Gillibrand follows weeks of broad speculation over whom Paterson would choose, the presumed frontrunners being state Attorney General Andrew Cuomo and Caroline Kennedy, the daughter of President Kennedy.

Clinton resigned from the Senate this week to be sworn in as President Obama.

Kennedy had campaigned vigorously for the position but withdrew her name from consideration Wednesday, citing "personal reasons." That sparked a flurry of media reports on other potential motives for her decision, rumors that she described, through a spokesman, as untrue "mudslinging."

Aliantha 01-22-2009 09:59 PM

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Clinton resigned from the Senate this week to be sworn in as President Obama.
huh? lol

classicman 01-22-2009 10:03 PM

Quote:

Clinton resigned from the Senate this week to be sworn in BY President Obama.
nice catch on the typo

Aliantha 01-22-2009 10:05 PM

I just thought it was funny to read cause I reckon she's wishing she was in his spot right now. :)

TheMercenary 01-23-2009 05:39 AM

Thank God, blind dude appointed to office actually did the right thing.

classicman 01-25-2009 08:07 PM

Source: Gov. Paterson was underwhelmed with Caroline Kennedy from the start

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She lost him at "hello."

Gov. Paterson was completely underwhelmed with Caroline Kennedy from their first conversation about Hillary Clinton's Senate seat, a source close to the governor said.

Paterson's thinking has become clearer in the two days since Kennedy withdrew her name for the Senate seat that Friday went to upstate Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-Hudson).

Friends said Paterson was adamant that she was never going to be appointed, even though she was considered the front-runner.

Paterson was turned off when Kennedy first called him and asked if she "could" be considered for the seat.

By asking if she could, rather than saying she wanted to be considered, Paterson immediately felt she wasn't really interested, the source said.

In meetings, the governor and his aides decided she had no political depth, the source said.

She had no firmly held views and little idea about why she wanted the job, the source said.

Her abysmal public rollout cemented the governor's fears that she had no political instincts.

The governor felt the sheltered Kennedy had no communication skills and absolutely no empathy with the voters, the source said.

He was amazed that she went upstate for a day to meet with political leaders but didn't walk around to chat up regular people.

"She just lived in a bubble," the source said.

The nonstop Kennedy coverage, at the expense of the others Paterson was considering, also irked the governor, friends said.

He felt it made the other candidates look like they were second-best. He also felt she lacked the ambassadorial skills to make the case for New York.
Wow, pretty harsh words after-the-fact. Surprised he didn't stop the madness much earlier on.

xoxoxoBruce 01-26-2009 12:38 AM

It sounds like he's covering his ass with the New Yorkers that thought she would be great based on the name.

classicman 01-26-2009 07:40 AM

I think the Governor, by saying all this "after-the-fact" showed an immense lack of class.

TheMercenary 01-26-2009 02:02 PM

It looks like in the end he made a good choice.


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