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TheMercenary 03-01-2009 06:27 PM

Ammo Registration Bill
 
Here is comes folks. Dems can't get the guns, they are going after the ammo.

http://www.usavsus.info/US-AmmoRegistr.htm

Flint 03-01-2009 07:42 PM

Would they know if we were reloading shotgun shells? I'm just sayin' ...

Aliantha 03-01-2009 07:43 PM

You still have to buy the powder and the shot though.

Flint 03-01-2009 07:45 PM

Hmmm... well if rednecks can cook nine kinds of speed I'm sure they could make gunpowder.

Aliantha 03-01-2009 07:48 PM

Yeah...that's true. In fact one of my cousins used to make gunpowder out of charcole and baking powder and something else. Can't remember what now.

You'd still need to get the shot though.

Flint 03-01-2009 07:57 PM

What exactly are the technical specifications for bits of metal scrap designed to blow holes through soft flesh?

Aliantha 03-01-2009 07:59 PM

I dunno. Round balls. I suppose you could just use little bearings.

I guess when it all comes down to it, there's ways around the system if you're keen, and some people will be.

I think most will probably just register their ammo though.

bluecuracao 03-01-2009 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 540037)
Yeah...that's true. In fact one of my cousins used to make gunpowder out of charcole and baking powder and something else. Can't remember what now.

You'd still need to get the shot though.

Sulphur? That's what Spock and Kirk used in one episode.

capnhowdy 03-01-2009 08:16 PM

Glad I have case upon case of 7.62.
Fuck w/ a Marine.

TheMercenary 03-01-2009 08:33 PM

Look at the market. There is no 7.62x39 on the market. Everyone bought it up. The little that can be found is over priced.

classicman 03-01-2009 10:57 PM

After the ammo, they will try to start closing the loopholes for those that make their own ammo or refill shells. This seems like just the beginning. They'll start making the shot and the powder less available or try taxing the heck out of it as well to steer people into buying the coded ammo.

monster 03-02-2009 12:50 AM

Are more innocent people or more felons killed by guns wielded by civilians?
(not a leading/loaded question, just curiosity if figures are known....)

BrianR 03-02-2009 02:28 AM

The NRA estimates that a gun is used two million times annually to prevent some type of crime. Many of these incidents are not reported so the statistics tend to be skewed downward. I can find no meaningful numbers for innocent people injured by guns that aren't cooked obviously. I'll keep looking though.

TheMercenary 03-02-2009 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 540194)
Are more innocent people or more felons killed by guns wielded by civilians?
(not a leading/loaded question, just curiosity if figures are known....)

I think you would be hard pressed to find unbiased reports. How often they are used to thwart crime would be hard to quantify as well. I suspect more felons kill each other with guns then civilians do and that is not a bad thing.

capnhowdy 03-02-2009 08:31 AM

If I were the Gov, I wouldn't have given everybody a 2 year warning. The criminals will be well stocked by then, and I will be also.
I wonder how they propose to stop the 'other' countries from manufacturing/selling unregistered ammo?
Like turning water into wine.

TheMercenary 03-02-2009 08:38 AM

There is so much ammo around. Most of the guys I know who are into it are buying as much as they can afford.

classicman 03-02-2009 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by capnhowdy (Post 540254)
I wonder how they propose to stop the 'other' countries from manufacturing/selling unregistered ammo?

Nother reason to get that wall going. ;)

richlevy 03-02-2009 11:31 AM

I'm waiting for the Snopes to come out on this http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/ammunition.asp. Currently - undetermined.

A little light research shows that these acts were introduced in many states and all failed in 2008.

The status quo in the Southern United States is intact - guns and ammo are lightly regulated and sex toys are illegal.:right:

Redux 03-02-2009 12:08 PM

I do have to laugh how conservatives are all for states rights except when it might impact their guns.

If the citizens in states want it and it is not counter to constitutional guarantees..they should applaud a state asserting its rights.

TheMercenary 03-02-2009 12:22 PM

I can see your point. Sort of like the gay marriage issue in Calif that all the libs where jumping on as an issue?

Redux 03-02-2009 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 540323)
I can see your point. Sort of like the gay marriage issue in Calif that all the libs where jumping on as an issue?

Yep...very much the same in one respect.

The difference?

States rights has been a mantra of the conservatives since Reagan brought it back to life and made it popular again in the 80s.

lumberjim 03-02-2009 01:14 PM

the day they take away your ammo is the day you buy your first laser gun.

ZenGum 03-02-2009 06:35 PM

I figure Canadian bootleggers are planning their first shipments already.

BrianR 03-04-2009 03:07 PM

I'm working on my first light saber as we speak!

Elspode 03-04-2009 07:34 PM

What I will never get is why the fact that the vast majority of crimes are committed with unregistered or otherwise illegally possessed guns is always totally ignored? All any of these efforts ever focus on is hindering law abiding people, and they have zero effect on those who are criminals to begin with.

Urbane Guerrilla 03-04-2009 07:40 PM

Strike the idea down as a necessary precondition to an episode of genocide, and make the sponsors face recall elections. Then make them face more recall elections. Antigun people DO NOT AND NEVER CAN DESERVE POWER. These people are your own personal enemies, whether you recognize it or not -- their successes will kill your descendants. That's genocide's record.

capnhowdy 03-04-2009 08:48 PM

Yup
It's getting to the point where "The right to bear arms" means wearing a tank top.
Someone should invent a personal 'force field'.

JuancoRocks 03-05-2009 01:05 AM

Ammo Registration Bill
 
Register ammo?.....Only register the traverse & elevation on the Browning.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o...P1013186-1.jpg

Lock & Load....then reload....

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o...P1012955-1.jpg

JuancoRocks 03-05-2009 01:10 AM

Getting ready for the Big Sandy Shoot...

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o...r/BigSandy.jpg

TheMercenary 03-05-2009 09:56 PM

Damm! wish I could go.

Urbane Guerrilla 03-30-2009 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richlevy (Post 540308)
The status quo in the Southern United States is intact - guns and ammo are lightly regulated and sex toys are illegal.:right:

So if you're going to cave anybody's head in with a 14" dildo, watch it!:neutral:

TheMercenary 03-30-2009 07:45 AM

UG, it is just sterotyping, guns and ammo are highly regulated and sex toys can be purchased anywhere.

Bullitt 03-30-2009 08:16 PM

I'd really like to buy an M1 Garand this summer (to shoot semi frequently not as a collector's item), but have heard that .30-06 ammunition is fairly scarce and relatively expensive. Is this true in your experiences?

TheMercenary 03-30-2009 08:46 PM

Well, I think know for a fact that gun purchasing is WAY up and there was a huge spike right before Obama was sworn in. I think that it has all gone down a bit but it remains higher than usual. Now ammo is another area that has really taken a hit. IMHO a bigger hit than new gun purchases. You cannot find 7.62x39 anywhere and if you do it is twice what it cost in Nov 08. The thing about .30-06 is that it remains a hunting round so you will always get it but it will cost. And for plinking surplus or bulk ammo is much cheaper.

Look at page one and then slip to page 5 and after where the cheaper ammo was sold.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemL...3&pagenumber=1

A thousand rounds of 7.62x39 use to be $200, now here it is $499.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/Searc...m=10&q=7.62x39

Why? Ammunition Accountability Act

http://gunowners.org/hr45ana.htm

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/ammunition.asp

sugarpop 03-30-2009 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 550997)
UG, it is just sterotyping, guns and ammo are highly regulated and sex toys can be purchased anywhere.

Yes, we have what, 4 different stores in town that sell sex toys. :D yea us.

capnhowdy 03-30-2009 09:11 PM

There was one on Skidaway Rd. when I lived there 20 yrs ago.

xoxoxoBruce 03-31-2009 04:08 AM


TheMercenary 03-31-2009 04:21 AM

I don't know where you get your information from but your last source is incorrect. There is no sex toy ban in Georgia, which automatically makes the rest of the information suspect.

classicman 03-31-2009 09:59 AM

From the link

Quote:

(Statewide) May 19, 2006 - A sex toy ban has already happened in Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and Texas. South Carolina could be next on that list.

glatt 03-31-2009 10:32 AM

I've tried to research this on the web, and it's confusing. There are lots of news references to the Georgia Ban, but nothing that gives you the actual law. The closest I could find that links to the actual law is a legal article saying the law had been overturned in 2006 in This That and the Other Gift v. Cobb County, Ga., No. 04-16419 (11th Cir. Feb. 15, 2006.)

And from the ruling in that case:

Quote:

A. Georgia’s Obscenity Statute
As emphasized by the defendants’ brief, the Georgia legislature enacted
O.C.G.A. § 16-12-80 with the “main purpose” of “advanc[ing] the government’s
interest in promoting public morality.” Toward that end, § 16-12-80 regulates the
distribution of obscene material, in relevant part, as follows:
(a) A person commits the offense of distributing obscene material
when he sells, lends, rents, leases, gives, advertises, publishes,
exhibits, or otherwise disseminates to any person any obscene
material of any description . . . .
. . .
(c) Any device designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation
of human genital organs is obscene material under this Code section.

. . .
(e) It is an affirmative defense under this Code section that dissemination of
the material was restricted to:
(1) A person associated with an institution of higher learning,
either as a member of the faculty or a matriculated student,
teaching or pursuing a course of study related to such material;
or
(2) A person whose receipt of such material was authorized in
writing by a licensed medical practitioner or psychiatrist.
O.C.G.A. § 16-12-80.
Maybe they passed a new one.

TheMercenary 03-31-2009 11:54 AM

Let me clear this up for everybody. Sugarpop and I live in GA. I have lived here in 2 different cities since 1994. There never was and never has been a ban on the sale of sex toys of any kind since I have lived here and currently. The information is incorrect. Capiche?

I can't speak for the other states listed. Only for GA.

glatt 03-31-2009 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 551518)
There never was and never has been a ban on the sale of sex toys of any kind since I have lived here and currently. The information is incorrect. Capiche?

There's a difference between there being a ban, and the ban being enforced.

I just quoted the law for you. It was on the books. O.C.G.A. § 16-12-80

TheMercenary 03-31-2009 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt (Post 551553)
There's a difference between there being a ban, and the ban being enforced.

I just quoted the law for you. It was on the books. O.C.G.A. § 16-12-80

I don't know. I do hear what you are saying. As conservative and right as this bible beating state can be at times I find it hard to believe that an issue like this would not be enforced if it was current. Maybe it was overturned some place.

a very quick search finds this:

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1143120308045

http://www.metrospirit.com/index.php...22910083496451

Redux 03-31-2009 01:15 PM

Coweta County, GA enacted a new ordinance this year.

The obscenity ordinance prohibits sale or distribution of obscenity, and prohibits anyone from “knowingly” selling, or possessing with the intent to sell, “any device designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs.”

The county’s old ordinance specifically exempted condoms from being considered as a stimulation device. The new ordinance makes no such distinction, and would appear to apply to items such as ribbed condoms and various lubricants marketed as having a “warming” or “tingling” sensation....

A violation is punishable by up to six months in jail and/or a fine of up to $1,000.

http://www.times-herald.com/Local/Co...dinance-646015

TheMercenary 03-31-2009 01:17 PM

It will be an ongoing process of people making local ordinances and business owners getting a stay or injunction while appealing to the courts. I guess that is the way it is suppose to work. In the mean time all of the things are still readily available. But you know we still have a few dry counties in GA.

glatt 03-31-2009 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 551557)

I posted that link like 4 posts above. It backs up what I'm telling you.

There was a law on the books as recently as 3 years ago, but a court overturned it. Don't know if there is a new state law, but some counties are passing their own laws.

I'm not supposed to use my firm's search services for personal use, so I can't look it up on Lexis-Nexis.

TheMercenary 03-31-2009 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt (Post 551568)
I posted that link like 4 posts above. It backs up what I'm telling you.

There was a law on the books as recently as 3 years ago, but a court overturned it. Don't know if there is a new state law, but some counties are passing their own laws.

I'm not supposed to use my firm's search services for personal use, so I can't look it up on Lexis-Nexis.

Oops, sorry.

capnhowdy 03-31-2009 08:37 PM

There's a store in this relatively small town. I noticed that they term them "face" or "body" massagers. Never dildo or sex toy.

But right down from those is "Eve's Pussy". Right down from that are the...[winkwink] "postal scales" and the [winkwink] "plumbing screens.

Maybe it's how they present/market the products. Never saw a sign that read 'dildo store'.

ZenGum 04-01-2009 12:51 AM

Best thread drift ever!

I have heard about various dildo bans in the bible belt states. I always thought you could contest it under the "pursuit of happiness" clause of the Declaration.

If that fails, try it as the "pursuit of a-penis".

sweetwater 04-03-2009 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 551882)
Best thread drift ever!

I have heard about various dildo bans in the bible belt states. I always thought you could contest it under the "pursuit of happiness" clause of the Declaration.

If that fails, try it as the "pursuit of a-penis".

And forever after, I will automatically revise "pursuit of happiness" in my thoughts, and hope I don't say it out loud in front of, for example, my mother. :D

Urbane Guerrilla 04-11-2009 12:27 AM

Dry county... no lube.

Ooooof.

JuancoRocks 04-12-2009 01:05 AM

Ammo Registration Bill / Dildo Sextoy Direction Correction
 
I know to some, a gun is supposed to be a phallic symbol (Anything that's longer than it's wide [Melanie Safka]) but I never imagined that a discussion on ammo would morph into a dildo/sex toy use, banning, whatever.

BTTT..(Merc, you shoulda' been there) I had a great time at the Big Sandy Shoot and expended more than my share of increasingly disappearing ammunition...

a few shots..
Happiness Is A Warm Gun...1919 A-4....MG42 AA Tripod
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o...r/P1013247.jpg

Night Shoot With Fireworks:eek:
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o...r/P1013238.jpg

Blood On The Bullets....Wear gloves next time..;)
(Yes those are tracers during the day)
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o...r/P1013254.jpg

Range Safety Officer - Not To Be Taken Lightly:D
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o...r/P1013201.jpg


A good time was had by all. There were more paid spectators than I have seen in the last 4 years.

Back to the loading bench for the fall shoot....

Urbane Guerrilla 04-12-2009 04:36 AM

More just plain common sense.

Audrey5 04-12-2009 05:45 AM

You still have to buy the powder and the shot though.

You are what you think

TheMercenary 04-12-2009 11:07 AM

I believe they plan to tag powder.

JuancoRocks 04-12-2009 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 555541)
I believe they plan to tag powder.

There have been attempts to produce a tagging element for smokeless powders in the past. More pure idiocy from our elected officials. :headshake

Smokeless powder has very limited use other than for cartridges. It does not explode, just causes a rapidly increased burning rate.Black powder on the other hand, does explode.

TheMercenary 04-12-2009 02:31 PM

I don't know enough about re-loading, could they tag black powder too?

TheMercenary 04-18-2009 11:29 AM

http://us.mc395.mail.yahoo.com/mc/sh...mb=kqTbLiFr1pA

capnhowdy 04-19-2009 08:55 AM

This link takes me to Yahoo Mail. Am I not doing something right?

TheMercenary 04-19-2009 10:10 AM

Forget the above link. Try this one.

Ted Nugent on the Second Amendment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QjEL0uUgo


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