A New World Order
 

Which of these hasn't already happened?

8)all under the supervision of the world body.

Even if Obama supports the final version of this new accord (and he hasnt yet), it's passage in Congress is highly unlikely.

Like the Kyoto accord, US probably wont sign it.

Thank God. But it is only a matter of time.

http://www.newworldordercafe.com/Art...yramid_001.jpg

In your delusional dreams. :tinfoil:

I've used up my outrage quota for this year.

Well, hang on... I'll give it one more try...

Grrr

Yep, all out.

Well, I for one really think we need to get this under control, and the United States is the worst offender.

I know President Obama is getting a lot of flak for the cap and trade part of the budget. Energy companies have come out and said they will pass any fines onto their customers. Now, is it RIGHT for a company to have their customers pay for fines they get for practicing bad business? I think NOT. IF it passes, and I have a feeling that part might not, but IF it does, it should be written in that energy plants have to eat that, and CANNOT pass it on to their customers. After all, they have been fighting this for years.

orly?

It wouldn't be if you'd eating that broccoli. :fart:

I think cap and trade is a fantasy system trading on nothingness. Just like the BS of "carbon footprint".

orly!

The US is number one in the world in anthropogenic CO2 emissions...unless China has passed us in the last year.

Cap and trade worked pretty well in the US for reducing sulphur dioxide and nitrous oxide emissions as part of the phase-out of leaded gas and CFCs.

IMO, for CO2, a straight carbon tax would be better, but politically unacceptable.

The beauty of statistics - you get to see what you want.

I wouldnt be surprised if China surpassed the US in 2006...but I dont think any official stats to that effect are available yet.

So we are now probably number two...and both the US and China are millions of metric tons above any other country....which IMO means we both should be taking the lead on reducing emissions, but as a US citizen, I cant have much impact on China (well, maybe boycott "made in china" products)

The per capita emissions is interesting...US - #10, China - #91...but not as relevant to me, particularly since the top nine countries are so small, their impact is neglible.

I'm more concerned about total metric tons and what we can do to lower ours....not because of the still debatable impact on climate change, but because IMO, its good public policy to lower greenhouse gas emissions in an environmentally and economically sustainable manner.

Much like the environmental programs of the 70s - clean water act, safe drinking water act, solid waste disposal act, toxic materials disposal act, and clean air act (which Bush rolled back to some extent)....,all were beneficial and despite all the industry dire warnings at the time, there were little or no adverse economic impacts...and in fact, they stimulated the development of cleaner technologies.

Not if it costs us billions while China can continue to chug along and build a new coal fired plant each week with no controls.

Oh, so because they aren't willing to clean up their act, we shouldn't do it either? That is just dumb.

Maybe you forget which nation embarrassed the United States by advocating all nations (including themselves) conform to principles in the Koyoto Treaty? China. TheMercenary forgot to mention that major embarrassment when the US was the only nation in that international conference opposed to addressing global warming.

Well the days when America operates with contempt for the world is (hopefully) over.

No, because it will continue to place a massive economic burden to make the changes while China and India have no controls or requirements and they can grow without the same cost. It is a great plan, if you are China and India. For the US, not so much.

Continues.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090328/...ying_computers

Wasn't there a thread about Chinese hackers last year or so?
One article I read said that spam had a lot to do with this too. I can't find it now, but any of you IT guys have any input on this? How can they control my computer remotely?

That is a pretty scary thought. They supposedly hacked into sensitive areas and were able to listen remotely or use the camera to see the room. Makes you seriously consider what you should leave attached to the puter when you are not using it. But of course I just turn mine off.

yes, that is very scary.

No it's not. We all look the same to them, so it doesn't matter.

Front page of Cnn.com

Creeping up on us

Kinda like the cow's heading toward the slaughterhouse...They never know they are heading there, they just keep following the cow in front of them.:(

There is no 'them.' We have hackers combing through Chinese, Russian and Iranian servers as well. So them, as it turns out, is everybody. Which is as it has been for as long as anyone can remember.

Of course, you won't see a story in the Chinese, Russian or Iranian media about a major infiltration by US-led hackers. While this gives one the impression that we (the US) are getting our asses handed to us while we sit on our government butts eating jelly donuts, nothing could be further from the truth.

We can only see one side of the scoreboard. The game, in all likelihood, is either tied or with at most a marginal and ever-changing lead.

Which is how the intelligence community silenced all the hype and fear from the George Jr administration. They were reading memos from Iranian scientists on the uranium enrichment program. These scientists were often discussing how the mullahs were subverting the program due to perceived stupidity. Suddenly Iran did not have any bomb grade material because even the US government subverts computers.

Under the new powers of Fatherland Security and secret presidential findings, how much government is now legally tapping your computer? You also cannot be trusted. You too can be a sleeper cell.

Cite an example of that please. What industry has employees wait up to a decade for their pay?

False. Please CITE ONE TIME where I said anything about Wagoner deserving bonuses - Post anything to corroborate another of your blatant LIES. If not post an public apology and correction on the board. I have put up with you and your attacks for too long. It stops now. Either make your point with facts or STFU.

It's pretty common for high rollers to defer compensation or get delayed stock options, so they will collect after their income level drops for tax purposes, or to get a bigger deal by waiting to collect.
Of course we're talking people that make seven figures yearly to begin with. :whofart:
Actually, employer's matching funds in a 401k is pretty much the same deal.

Its not pay. Its a bonus. If you wanted to be intelligent, you would have known that.

If bonus is merit pay, then the pay should be determined when the merit is actually realized - four or ten years later. Is that too complicated for a wacko extremist? Probably.

This post contradicts what tw has posted earlier. Care to try again and either put-up or man-up and apologize.
Oh Whats the matter Tommy boy? Have to try to attack my intelligence now? You will lose terribly on that account as well. Try another or......

No. I only attacks your intelligence. You keep misplacing it - wacko.

Just put him on ignore and be done with it.

Its been over a week - no cite, no retraction.

Nice grammar there big boy - lol

Oh and that proves yet again that tw attacks the poster, not the post.
Yet again another contradiction of tw's. How typical.
Yeh, thats what he wants though. So his drivel can go unchallenged. I guess I'll again have to take the high road and not get drawn into his petty crap.

Note: tw has not substantiated his lie nor retracted his post.
Goes to show a lot about his character.

The cost of going digital? And they want to put all our medical records in a central digital format?

Some one want our place in the World Order:

Electricity Grid in U.S. Penetrated By Spies

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123914805204099085.html

Ha.

Ha, ha, ha. Because Texas is it's own region of the US. :)

What do you suggest?

Not making significant investment in a national broadband network and infrastructure, while the rest of the industrialized world is more aggressively moving ahead with such plans?

Security of our infrastructure is a must and digital is the most efficient and organized method. We just need to make sure that it stays safe or our entire country is fucked. And by fucked, I mean full out riots because electricity, water, waste water, and maybe food will be disrupted.

Any smart terrorist or opposing country that really wants to attack the United States might do something with this.

Chavez in China Touts
'New World Order'

Gotta watch yer back too.

MAYBE we need to develop a better operating system that isn't so easily hacked.

I wonder... Do these same issues happen in Europe and Autralia and other countries, with viruses and hackers and phishers? Do they use different software in other countries?

Oh, nice going... now you've gone and told them.
If the terrorists do this, I'm gonna kick your traitorous ass. :lol2:

That was classified? Whoops.

I always thought that blackout that occured shortly after 911 was a cyber attack.

And the oil rigs catching fire.

:tinfoil:

:D I knew someone would say that.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't really out to get ya. ;)

"They" are. We just aren't sure who the "they" is yet. :p

We know who "they" are, but we aren't telling.

The New World Order's ObamaNation

:tinfoil: ???

Kissinger = Illuminati :tinfoil:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/W...ow/4412075.cms

I am beginning to think the Chinese penetration of our security is far wider and deeper than anyone thought.

With the help of greedy individuals trying to make an extra buck at our nation's expense? :eyebrow: