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Elimination of U.S. Pilot Truck Program Triggers Mexican Tariffs
Kind of delayed but I'm curious to know what are the main arguments for preventing Mexican trucks from using the US highways? Safety doesn't seem to be an issue and I don't see protectionism befitting many people in this situation.
I can't tell if Obama unknowingly scrapped the program or not. http://www.heritage.org/Research/Lat...ica/wm2357.cfm http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/6313809.html |
Mexico wants a trade war? LOL.
This will be like kicking a midget. |
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Heritage.org? Should have known. They'd sell their own grandmothers.
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My territory.
The main arguments are safety (unsubstantiated), job protection(also unsubstantiated) and somehow this is Bush's fault (it's not, blame Clinton, he signed NAFTA). Mexican trucks are all inspected at the border, Their out of service rate IS less than ours. While in the USA, Mexican drivers must abide by our rules. The only valid safety point is that it is possible for a Mexican driver to use two logbooks, one for the US and another for Mexico, to drive more than the allowed hours per day. The unions are worried about the job loss, but the Canadians have been running here under the same rules and have taken no jobs. The shrill refusal to admit our part in the treaty, signed years ago and only now are we beginning to live up to our obligations as we have required others to do. We either obey our own treaty or we should repeal it. The Cross Border Demonstration Project has been defunded through the fiscal 2009 budget. What this means to NAFTA remains to be seen. I am watching. |
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I dont doubt that US labor is opposed to it...but why should it be automatically extended? Is it also correct that Mexico has no mandatory drug/alcohol testing for CDLs? We may inspect the vehicles for safety violations at the border but do we test the drivers? I dont know the answer to these questions...just asking. |
Pilot programs are always limited in scope and under a magnifying glass by lots of concerned parties, so everyone involved is on their best behavior.
The problems arise when the pilot program has been declared a success, then the gates are thrown open to all. At the same time, most of the people that had magnifying glasses walk away and leave the poor understaffed agencies to deal with it. |
According to an interim DOT IG report issued last year, it has not been all that successful...fewer than expected number of carriers and no assurances that they were all checked:
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Makes sense to me to revoke the extension, if the FMCSA is not able to assure that every truck and driver is checked when there are such low numbers involved to-date (fewer than expected)...at least until there are greater assurances that quality control border check measures are fully implemented. |
I really don't know enough about this to comment so I will stay out of it. I'm glad it's being discussed though.
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I see, you don't know much about trucking, except how to flash the drivers.;)
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So, the companies that moved their factories to Mexico for the cheaper wages are crying because we might not let them also truck the stuff in to the States with cheaper drivers too. Figures.
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I've spent a while looking, but I can't find where NAFTA says we have to allow foreign trucking firms to operate on our soil.
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We should withdraw from that treaty now. Just saying. |
lol - we should have never gotten involved in the first place.
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Doesn't change my opinion - Does it affect yours? Whats your point?
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But I do love when adherents of one party try to claim that the other party is the only one responsible for this shit. |
So, you have no point. Gotcha. Just wanted to make sure that was clear.
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Enjoy your tantrum. |
I'm not ignoring anything and I'm certainly not throwing a tantrum. Your point is what? That you think "both parties are whores"?
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Then you expect everyone to take your shit like they're your little bitch. Too funny. |
And your point was? I think you missed the question ... again.
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Humor us all - what was your point?
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Why should we extend the Bush pilot demonstration project that the Bush DOT said in its post-year review of the program is lacking key quality control measures to assure that every participating truck and driver is checked every time it crosses the border into the US? There is no violation of the "letter of the law" of NAFTA that I am aware of... despite Mexico's claim...perhaps in the "spirit of the law" in which case Mexico is no shining example. I would like to see Obama bring Mexico and Canada to the table to renegotiate NAFTA...but that's not likely to happen. So we'll deal with these little flare ups and disagreements instead on a case by case basis. |
This is the TGRR - classicman slapdown thread.
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Perhaps we need a renegotiation of a Cellar Dwellers Free Discussion Agreement. |
Perhaps you could start a group for that. :eyebrow:
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Wow - thats it? Then it would seem like a no-brainer. Then again is it worth the expense for a few dozen trucks?
Doesn't really seem worth it - the whole program, I mean. |
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The DOT/IG final report summaryr on the demo project From the full report - the numbers were 29 carriers (including 2 that withdrew) and 118 trucks. (my numbers were from the mid year report) |
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yeh, tell me about it.
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Mexico just does not have the same kind of laws and regulations we have in this country, just as China doesn't. So why should we be forced to accept their trucks and drivers, if they are not up to our standards, and why should we accept certain products from China, when it's been proven they use lead and other toxic things in products they are selling us? What about the safety of our roads, and the safety of our people?
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Sugarpop - its 118 trucks - this whole thing is a joke.
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When you're done trolling, let me know. |
I'm just saying... there is a double standard when it comes to Mexico and China, (and let's not even talk about Israel). Mexico and China are forcing us to rewrite our own safety standards, and Israel pushes us around with regard to our foreign policy. We really are wimps when it comes to this stuff, and it's because of corporations. They must have big trade agreements that are not in our best interests, but it lines their wallets.
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"Us" is the rest of the people reading your dribble. Quote:
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You speak for everyone here? That's quite an ego you have there, bro. |
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And thankfully I am not your "bro". Quote:
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By claiming that it revolves around you, my sister? :3eye: |
This childish game may be fun over at that "other site" you came from, but here it is just lame. Make your point or Fuck off -- preferably the latter.
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If you guys come to blows, I could use one.
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You don't have to state the obvious Merc.
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I gotta be me. :)
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