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classicman 04-15-2009 05:22 PM

Overweight? United Airlines may charge you
 
Big Charges

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We all know that you can't take heavy luggage on a plane anymore without being charged. But United Airlines, in an attempt to rain on the parade of the "you can have your cake and eat it, too," crowd, has just announced that people packing extra pounds may pay more for their ticket as well.

They have three new rules, as they mention on their web site. You will pay for an extra ticket or be forced to upgrade where you'll have more room (or be exited off the plane if you refuse) if:

* you're unable to fit into a single seat in the ticketed cabin.
* you're unable to properly buckle the seat belt using a single seat belt extender
* you're unable to put the seat's arm rests down when seated.


It'll be interesting to see what the public thinks of this, but as for me, I'll weigh in on the issue by reluctantly admitting that I think it's the right thing to do. And I say that as a fairly beefy guy who could benefit from dropping 30 (and probably) 50 pounds.
I flew twice last year (not on United), and I'm confident that I would have to gain massive amounts of weight before being in danger of being called-out by United Airlines. But, boy, if I ever get to the point where I'm told I'll have to upgrade or pay for two tickets, I'll be sad for my bank account, and I may be initially outraged and embarrassed. But I have to also think that later, I might be grateful and go see my doctor or visit my neighborhood gym. I'm often trying to exercise more and eat better, but what a wake-up call that would be.

In any case, if an overweight person is spilling over into the next seat onto another passenger, or if they have to take up two seats, one can't blame an airline -- especially in this economy -- for wanting to charge them for two tickets. And it's hardly fair for someone next to a large man or woman to sit in complete discomfort during a flight and pay the consequences of that person eating too much pizza and fast food.

United instituted the policy because last year, they had over 700 complaints from the person sitting next to an over-sized passenger. The new policy, incidentally, applies to tickets purchased on or after March 4, 2009.

The great thing about the airline market, at least right now, is that there are still choices for the obese airline passenger.

But ultimately, I do think United Airlines has the right idea, and I'm okay with that, just as long as they don't start asking their passengers to step on the scale next to the counter.
I have been that person in the next seat, I didn't complain, but it was very annoying to sit there with some of the person next to me spilling into my seat. It was pretty gross. I'm not sure what other solution there is.

Pico and ME 04-15-2009 05:27 PM

I swear they have made the seats smaller. I know they have jammed them in so they can have more seats on the plane...even little me felt like I was packed in like a sardine. The seats were so close together that I could not lean forward enough to reach my purse on the floor at my feet. Im 5'1'' and 110 pounds. A 300 pounder wouldnt even be able to slide into the seat.

Shawnee123 04-15-2009 05:30 PM

I flew with a cow orker to Las Vegas for conference one year. She had to get one seatbelt extender. I can't imagine how you could fit into the seat in the first place if you needed two. She was, I don't know...400 and something pounds. She wasn't even slightly apprehensive about asking for the extender: she had been large all her life.

Anyway, I thought they already charged for two seats if you take up two seats: what has changed?

classicman 04-15-2009 05:33 PM

I don't think a 300 pounder is what this affects. But I'd like to get an idea of exactly how large you have to be to have an issue with this.

Is weight really the issue? I can't believe that. So what if they buy two seats - can't sit in both of them at the same time ... can they?

Shawnee123 04-15-2009 05:40 PM

Well yeah...if they leave the armrest up between the two seats, and get a seatbelt extender, or two.

I'm confused: what do you think the issue is? The rules are pretty clear.

lumberjim 04-15-2009 05:42 PM

I'm effectively a 300 pounder. i was probably over 300 when I flew to TX 2 yrs ago, and it was torture. I didn't spill into my neighbor's seat, but was glad it was a smaller person.

On the 5 hour flight to AZ on the way to Cabo last fall, I was prolly 295 and got stuck in between to full sized (225-245lb?) men. That sucked bad.

I cannot imagine what someone 350+ goes through when they fly. If I was that big, I guess I'd try out first class.

Juniper 04-15-2009 06:19 PM

I sat next to one of those people on a Disney bus last week. Resulted in my having to sit with my own rump right on the hump between two seats; not a comfy ride at all.

sugarpop 04-16-2009 12:14 AM

I think it's fine that they are charging more for someone that big. Why should a smaller person have to suffer because the person next to them is too big for their seat? Just give them two seats, then the problem goes away. Unless of course they are so huge they take up 3 seats. :eek:

lookout123 04-16-2009 10:39 AM

How tall are you Jim? If you are anywhere near 300 you are carrying it exceedingly well in your pictures.

TheMercenary 04-16-2009 09:26 PM

I fully support the change by the Airlines.

The Teapot 04-17-2009 03:10 AM

I'd support it if they hadn't been slowly making the seats smaller to fit more in.
Its a good idea, but if people were paying what we should (for a three hour jorney £15 - $22.50) you'd be able to afford two seats easily.
Although, as I fly with my family normaly, if one of us is taking up too much space you are going to know about it. Usualy for a few weeks.

Shawnee123 04-17-2009 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by The Teapot (Post 557151)
I'd support it if they hadn't been slowly making the seats smaller to fit more in.
Its a good idea, but if people were paying what we should (for a three hour jorney £15 - $22.50) you'd be able to afford two seats easily.
Although, as I fly with my family normaly, if one of us is taking up too much space you are going to know about it. Usualy for a few weeks.

Heehee, Teapot. In my family, a good ribbing will last us years! :)

lumberjim 04-17-2009 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 556847)
How tall are you Jim? If you are anywhere near 300 you are carrying it exceedingly well in your pictures.

6'2" OF PURE MUSCLE

and fat

(290lbs last weigh in)

classicman 04-17-2009 08:32 AM

Jim, we've met and I still don't believe it. I would have guessed more like 250 max. I think Jinx has you on a "special" scale.

lumberjim 04-17-2009 09:18 AM

keep in mind that my head weighs about 70 lbs alone.

classicman 04-17-2009 09:37 AM

yeh, all those brains I suppose...

lookout123 04-17-2009 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by The Teapot (Post 557151)
I'd support it if they hadn't been slowly making the seats smaller to fit more in.
Its a good idea, but if people were paying what we should (for a three hour jorney £15 - $22.50) you'd be able to afford two seats easily.
Although, as I fly with my family normaly, if one of us is taking up too much space you are going to know about it. Usualy for a few weeks.

How did you arrive by that number? I'd love to fly that cheaply but I don't believe any airline would survive the first month before folding.

classicman 04-17-2009 12:48 PM

my 3 hour journey - CHEAPEST rate is about $400.00 US

Pico and ME 04-17-2009 01:22 PM

Well, I was able to get $180 for my round trip ticket from Indy to Tucson and back. Thats about $15 per hour of air travel.

jinx 04-17-2009 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Teapot (Post 557151)
I'd support it if they hadn't been slowly making the seats smaller to fit more in.

Is this true? I wouldn't have a hard time believing it, except last time we flew the seat on one of the flights still had ash trays in the arm rests. The seats seemed like the same size (wayyy to fucking small) as the other flights.

Sundae 04-17-2009 01:47 PM

Even as an obese person myself, I agree with the idea that if you take up two seats, or increase the weight of an aircraft significantly, you should be charged more.

The Pay As You Go system which now extends to paying to use the toilet however, I disagree with. You can help how much you weigh - hard as it is and underlying problems there may be, it is possible. You cannot control how much you need to use the toilet - beyond fasting for 12 hours prior to the flight.

Restaurants with only one toilet (ie a unisex toilet for the whole restaurant) never used to be able to get an alcohol licence. Instead they encouraged customers to bring their own alcohol and only served soft drinks. It caught on, and many Indian restaurants work on this basis - it's a much cheaper alternative all round. Shame the aircraft won't allow that. You could keep a whole family contented with a six pack of Walkers crisps and a bottle of duty free Baileys.

Not that that matters to me of course. Not any more. I just resent having bodily needs charged for.

Undertoad 04-17-2009 02:31 PM

I want to be able to buy the third seat in a group of 3, when I'm flying with a significant other on a long flight. Obese or not, that gives you the room of a first-class seat at a fraction of the price.

Clodfobble 04-17-2009 03:18 PM

You're able to do it, as long as it's not a full flight to begin with--buy three tickets with a third fictitious name. Fictitious name never checks in, so the seat is empty. Unless the flight is full, then someone on standby will get it. But I haven't been on a full flight in a long time.

TheMercenary 04-17-2009 08:26 PM

Could really skinny people get a half priced ticket if they share a seat?

sugarpop 04-18-2009 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 557312)
You're able to do it, as long as it's not a full flight to begin with--buy three tickets with a third fictitious name. Fictitious name never checks in, so the seat is empty. Unless the flight is full, then someone on standby will get it. But I haven't been on a full flight in a long time.

Why would you need to use a fictitious name? Just tell them you want the extra room. I imagine they would be fine with that.

Clodfobble 04-18-2009 07:08 PM

If you bought the ticket over the phone you'd probably be fine. Now that I think about it, I know a guy who routinely buys an extra seat for his cello because he's not willing to check it, so they obviously have some sort of designation for that sort of thing. But buying the ticket online, I'd personally be afraid to risk it. Airline security doesn't leave a lot of leeway anymore, and there are a lot of TAA employees with a rent-a-cop complex who might think the same name on two seats was somehow suspicious.

The Teapot 04-19-2009 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 557236)
How did you arrive by that number? I'd love to fly that cheaply but I don't believe any airline would survive the first month before folding.

Some european airlines managed to get by on that before the recession. As the whole mess is because of the bankers, I stand by the rate as it was, is what it should be.

TGRR 04-19-2009 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 556663)
Big Charges



I have been that person in the next seat, I didn't complain, but it was very annoying to sit there with some of the person next to me spilling into my seat. It was pretty gross. I'm not sure what other solution there is.


Do anorexics only have to pay half a fare?

Pico and ME 04-19-2009 05:41 PM

Only if they share.

TGRR 04-19-2009 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pico and ME (Post 557952)
Only if they share.

But they'll charge fat people even if the plane has spare seats.

Pico and ME 04-19-2009 09:29 PM

Ha.

I have been on flights that will let you upgrade to first class for only $50 more if when they arent sold. But that is only right before boarding.

classicman 04-20-2009 07:23 AM

Delta Airlines decided they will not follow suit claiming it wasn't worth "upsetting their loyal passengers."

TheMercenary 04-20-2009 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 558090)
Delta Airlines decided they will not follow suit claiming it wasn't worth "upsetting their loyal passengers."

Sounds like torture to me.

robsterman1 04-28-2009 11:06 AM

I'd say the policy is a bit unfair, but why should people suffer being jammed in between 2 fatties?

Undertoad 04-28-2009 11:29 AM

By that policy, assholes should be charged more.

glatt 04-28-2009 11:34 AM

Wouldn't that be sweet?

Impossible to implement though.

Shawnee123 04-28-2009 11:45 AM

You can tell an asshole he's an asshole and to stfu.

You don't wanna tell the two pigs "jeezy petes, does the simple act of sitting cause you to sweat profusely and breath out of your mouth in wheezes like you just ran a marathon? You might want to rethink your lifestyle."

Because that would just be mean.

classicman 04-28-2009 11:48 AM

and if the asshole SsTFU then the rest of your flight may be ok. You cannot tell the overweight person to she a couple hundred pounds in a few minutes.

The real problem is when you encounter a morbidly obese asshole. Then you got issues.

Shawnee123 04-28-2009 11:52 AM

Exactly, and if the first asshole doesn't STFU, you can fill out some forms, in triplicate, outlining the steps you took to procure said shut-uppedness and you may have some sort of recourse, even if asshole won't comply.

kerosene 04-30-2009 12:19 PM

Then you could use your outline about having procured the shut-upedness to write a do it yourself manual called "How to get an asshole to shut up." Because it is such a difficult task, everyone would buy it (even assholes themselves!) and you would become rich and famous!

ZenGum 05-01-2009 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 557184)
keep in mind that my head weighs about 70 lbs alone.

Holy moly, Jim, your head has gained 30 lbs since I joined the cellar. Put that thing on a diet, stat!


Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman (Post 561029)
You cannot tell the overweight person to shed a couple hundred pounds in a few minutes.

Sure you can. Ever heard of a scalpel? Bwahahahaaaaa!


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