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DanaC 05-19-2009 07:12 AM

Speaker of the House Steps Down...
 
... and a new entry in British Parliamentary History is made.

This is the first time in 300 years that a Speaker of the House of Commons has been forced from office.

The expenses row has turned into a hurricane through our Parliamentary system. I don't know how I feel about this. There is a worrying potential for this to politicise the office of Speaker. Then again, he was instrumental in the attempts to deny public access to the expenses information, and then turned out to be one of the people implicated in accusations of misuse and dishonesty. Most worrying, perhaps, is the possibility that this represents the Commons offering up a sacrifice to the Fourth Estate.

Noone really knows what effect all this will have on the workings of our democratic system. It could be a storm in a teacup before the dust settles into a slightly rearranged bunny; or it might fundamentally alter the ethos of Parliament.

Interesting times for politicians and constitutional scholars. I can't wait for the memoirs and exposes to come in a couple of years!

ZenGum 05-19-2009 07:30 AM

Cromwell would have known how to deal with this.

glatt 05-19-2009 07:43 AM

Holy crap. For a second I thought you were talking about US Speaker Pelosi. I was extremely surprised, but pleased. And then let down once I opened the thread.

Pie 05-19-2009 08:36 AM

Me too. I'd love to vote Pelosi (and Reid, for that matter) off the island.

DanaC 05-19-2009 09:16 AM

Yes....and the fact that you were expecting that, and I disappointed you...turned me on

Pie 05-19-2009 09:36 AM

Dana, you're a sick puppy. ;)

DanaC 05-19-2009 09:38 AM

I really should give due credit for that joke to the British comedian Rob Newman.

But yes. I am .

TheMercenary 05-19-2009 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt (Post 566709)
Holy crap. For a second I thought you were talking about US Speaker Pelosi. I was extremely surprised, but pleased. And then let down once I opened the thread.

Me too, but then I knew that there was no such thing as a unicorn, rainbows, and in a land of happy puppies.

xoxoxoBruce 05-19-2009 11:03 AM

Sure there is, it's Pelosi's home district.

TheMercenary 05-19-2009 08:51 PM

:D

tw 05-20-2009 12:11 AM

I keep hearing that Brown is also all but a lame duck. What are the details behind that speculation?

TheMercenary 05-20-2009 12:23 AM


DanaC 05-20-2009 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tw (Post 567038)
I keep hearing that Brown is also all but a lame duck. What are the details behind that speculation?


*Nods* Well, the situation for Brown isn't great. He doesn't seem to have the Party behind him. But that's less to do with the expenses row (all parties have been implicated) than it is to do with a more generalised loss of personal authority within his own party.

Griff 05-20-2009 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt (Post 566709)
Holy crap. For a second I thought you were talking about US Speaker Pelosi. I was extremely surprised, but pleased. And then let down once I opened the thread.

Looks like a near universal reaction... outside of her district. *sigh*

Kaliayev 05-21-2009 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tw (Post 567038)
I keep hearing that Brown is also all but a lame duck. What are the details behind that speculation?

Well, he had to rely on the Democratic Unionists to get anti-terrorism legislation through Parliament last year.

Things have got worse since then.

Personally, being a professional political iconoclast, the expenses scandal has been like Christmas come early. I think Ian Hislop said it best "on any normal week, one of these stories would have been front page news, for the whole week. Having thirty of them come at once..."

Also, the class divide in how the expenses were misused is telling. Labour uses it to turn a quick buck on houses, or expensive food. The Tories abuse it for gardening expenses and cleaning moats. The Lib Dems? Trouser presses and packets of biscuits. Seriously guys, letting the side down there. This was getting into African dictatorship territory, before the Lib Dems mucked it up.

DanaC 05-21-2009 11:00 AM

lol Kaliayev!

I must admit, the last few months have wakened the nihilist in me. I am loving the headlines.

Kaliayev 05-21-2009 11:06 AM

Give it a month. I'm sure the media will return to their whipped dog status eventually. They can't sustain it, its in their nature to be servile and speak adordingly of their masters in Parliament.

Its also worth noting, as interesting as this all is, its not really much but an extension of the Whitehall Bubble School Of Reporting, ie; focus on personality, not the issues. So even though they are currently doing harm to Parliament's image, in a way its sustaining the status quo, that of politics as a sort of adult version of schoolyard gossiping and popularity contests.

Kaliayev 05-22-2009 01:13 PM

Oh happy days! My favouritest MP ever, lying nutjob, science hater, conspiracy theorist and prolific abuser of Parliamentary funds, Nadine Dorries has just put her head above the parapet and essentially said "that's the best you got, you bunch of pansies?" to the media and public at large.

Link

Basically, its all a witch hunt against the poor, put upon MPs, and we should all shed a tear for the "inhumane" treatment they have suffered recently (which, when you consider the fate of certain residents of this country in foreign jails, could be considered a disgusting choice of verbiage).

Cameron has more or less said "Shut up Dorries", which if nothing else, has made my day a good one. No doubt someone is preparing a media hit job on her - there is too much good material out there to ignore such an opportunity to remind the public of her lunacy - and she has been publically shamed by her own leader.

Happy days are here again...:)

DanaC 05-22-2009 01:21 PM

I like that tory fellah who says it's just jealousy cause he has a big house lol

Kaliayev 05-22-2009 01:41 PM

Ah yes, Anthony Steen, known locally as "that toff asking for his windows and car to get smashed".

An odd nickname, but there we are.

DanaC 05-22-2009 01:47 PM

hahaha.


Come the great day...I tell ye....first against the wall ... well, actually no, that'd have to be an honour reserved for Hazel Blears. Mind, I never did like her.

I went to the hustings in Sheff during the deputy leadership fight. She was awful. Cruddas was impressive though.


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