Fort Hood stuff is happening!
 

9 dead so far! WTF!

Update
 

12 dead 20 injured dang!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/...entry_id=51083

I'm right near there, too!

Hmm. Right next to Waco.

They're saying there's more than one shooter; or at least, a primary shooter and helpers. Who would "help" with something like that?

There is a strange inconsistency in the reports about how many gunmen did it.
"Twelve people have been killed and at least 31 injured after a soldier went on a shooting rampage ".
"One shooter is dead and two suspects have been apprehended".

My first guess is that the two extras were NOT involved but were in questionable circumstances and so were nabbed as a precaution; I guess that someone who would do this would not allow themselves to be taken alive.

Mind you, the (alleged) shooter was army pyschiatrist Major Malik Nadal Hasan. Hmm, sounds Irish. Can never trust the damn Irish. :right:

Now stop that racism. Profiling is a horrible awful thing.

He was an American Psychiatrist or psychologist not sure which. They're all nuts anyway. That's why they go into that profession - to figure themselves out.

He was apparently unhappy that Obama didn't get the troops out fast enough. That's even more WTF???

Oooh. They're saying the guy's alive! So maybe we really will get some answers.

I'm kind of wondering about this statement in the news story:

Is 30 people who need blood an overload for a typical hospital?

Perhaps not, but its a good way to get people who normally wouldn't get off their ass to help a fellow human to do just that and to build up some reserves.

3 guesses, and if any of them don't yell Allah akbar when they're murdering someone, they're wrong.

Nice, spud. Stay classy.

the guy apparently didn't want to go to war and kill other Muslims.

so he stayed home and killed other human beings.

how does that make sense?

it doesn't unless he figured that by killing the ones he did he saved more from dying.

well, actually I didn't expect it to make sense; I just find it ironic. It was an insane and senseless act no matter how you look at it.

if killing shitloads of people made any sense at all... then I'd be willing to think about that.

How about Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder (Pre-TSD)?

Here: http://www.theonion.com/content/news...iers_suffering

And here: http://holycoast.blogspot.com/2009/11/pre.html

I bet he was shizo and the little green men in his head told him to kill now rather than later. Can you imagine going to visit a schizo shrink? :eek:

Been there, seen that. The oral history of the nuthouse includes a doc who went catatonic in the chart room. Took several hours for anyone to notice he hadn't moved since morning meeting. They got him quietly hospitalized. He was schizophrenic, would go off his meds, go nuts, get hospitalized, get better, go back to work.

I admitted him a couple of times, and got blown away when I'd get a call about him from one of the local hospitals ... where he was working and was referring a patient to us.

Eventually he got too debilitated to work, lost his medical license and ended up in a group home. I know that he's dead, think he finally completed suicide.

So, yes, Virginia, there are crazy shrinks.

The Fort Hood guy was a shrink specializing in PTSD. How's that for a bite in the ass?

He was from a Jordanian family, was career military. That he was only a major said a lot about his military career, as does his transfer from Walter Reed to Fort Hood. I listened to an interview last night in which a former coworker, also a shrink, talked about Hasan making statements wsix or more months ago about how Muslims needed to rise up against the aggressor ... who was the aggressor? The U.S. Military. I have also seen the footage of his trip to the convenience store on the way to work ... he wasn't in uniform, military uniform, anyway ... he was wearing one of those flowing white cotton garments that you don't usually see even very traditional Muslim men wearing here in the U.S.

I thought that the reasoning behind everyone being as armed as they wanna be is that in cases like this others can take down the crazy psychopath before he takes down dozens of other people.

I don't know military, but wouldn't folks on an army base be armed? Aren't they lousy with arms?

Tragic.

The opposite, military bases are one of the places where guns are strictly controlled.

Which makes this incident another argument against gun control.

I dislike spending time in victim disarmament zones.

Funny coincidence ... Nidal Hasan did his undergrad at Virginia Tech.

Since posting I have read several accounts that indicated that while born in America, he identified himself as "Palestinian" on some documents.

I didn't know that, Bruce. I would have figured the opposite.

Thanks.

The brass saw Full Metal Jacket, too. :haha:

heh heh

I heard that today. Their PR must been going crazy. I hear a lot of other stuff has gone done there too.

Remember the new Iraqi soldiers that were murdered right after their graduation ceremony? They were unarmed per US SOP. A really bad idea.

I agree. If there is anyone I'd trust being armed it's our armed forces. They get some of the best training available.

NYT story on a heroic cop.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/07/us..._r=1&th&emc=th

Oh, I was wondering why they waited for civilian police to take this asshole down. :litebulb:

My daughter went to a birthday party at the bowling center at Fort Meyer last night. As a civilian getting onto the base, they were very serious about inspecting our car. I knew they would search the car, but I wasn't expecting that level of scrutiny. I was actually a little surprised afterwards that they let us through with a wrapped present, given how closely they looked at everything else. Pleased though.

They had a nice searching station. Under a big tent with enough staff to search 4 cars at a time. The line moved fairly quickly.

Pete's company developed some serious tech for vehicle searches. I don't know if or how it has been implemented but you may have been scanned much deeper than you realize.

Due to the frequency of deployments almost all of the police duties of world wide posts has been taken over by private contractors.

Whole thing is further proof (to me, anyway) that the evils of organized religion far outweigh the benefits.

I always thought they had a contingent of MPs at each base, to handle order, if not security. But I'm surprised, I'm surprised, at them contracting that out, considering they've contracted everything else. :smack:

They all have MP's but many of them are deployed trying to teach the IP's of our two war front how to police their own countries.

What do you about it though?

The only thing I, personally can do, is not participate, and refuse to support it. (thinks) . . . okay, and contribute to causes and social wellbeing for its own sake, and not for the sake of a religion

Thre are at least a couple of hundred thousand people working anonymously around the glob right now, this moment, fom religious organizations, religious affilitated organizations, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, of all sects and denominations.

One guy is crazy, conecting his religious beliefs with his insane actions....and that negates all the hard work of the religious? Or a less then 1-2% representation of a given relgious body takes violent action in the world, and that negates the millions upon millions of other people actually following the doctrines?

I'm not saying we should be religious, hell, I'm not. I'm saying that to condemn religion based on this guy, and others like him, is not fair to the good work done by religion in the world. It is in my not so humble opinion a very narrow view.

further proof, not sole proof. How about the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Jewish Holocaust, the Bosnian genocide, just to name a few instances off the top of my head. Not to mention the continued subjugation of women in the name of all religions, the recent occurrences of the Iraq-American who ran over his daughter because she was too Westernized, the kidnapping of Jaycee Dugard by a religious nut, the sexual victimization of people by clergy who are in positions of authority, 9/11 . . . and on and on.

I've come to the conclusion that the evil that has been done in religions' name outweighs the good. It may be a narrow belief, but it's mine.

But aren't these organization and their works done for the purpose of proselytizing and recruitment of the neediest and most vulnerable? Recruitment which leads to greater numbers and thus, greater influence, which makes it easier to promote an agenda?

An agenda of feeding the needy? No, I don't thing that a churches agenda is to "target" the needy, because they are vulnerable, somehow tricking them into a life of faith and service to God. MWAHAHAHA!!! You are kidding right?

Not exactly where I thought this thread would go..but hey...it's interesting.

My point is this, it seems that many have done their home work on the genocide, and selfish works peice. Though, the Nazi regime, I don't think that was a religious body. Most people stop there, and never look into any good works accomplished or on what scale, and to what effect.

A small example: The International Council of Voluntary Agencies, based in Switzerland. There are 70 major charter members, commonly refered to around the world as Non Government Agencies. These 70 are among the largest NGO's operating in the world today. 22 of which are in thier title or openly affiliated or backed by religios bodies of varying faiths. Billions of private dollars poor into the third world through these agencies. India, Australia, Muslims, Christian, European...all trying to offset the huge amounts of misery in the world. It's a good thing.

I think most individual religious do good works, in the name of their respective gods. It's mostly the institutions and hierarchies that are responsible for codifying and perpetrating hateful acts. And the "holy" books--don't get me started on those! I'm not saying that nothing good has come of organized religion--just that, looking at history, more bad things have resulted than good.

ah, sorry, I've derailed the thread. Didn't really mean to!

Nope, not kidding. I think most of the major religions are always looking for more members. I think they actively attempt to convert those that receive their charities. I think they use their numbers to promote political agendas... like banning gay marriage in CA for example.

it's clear to me that WE also bear some culpability in this guy's meltdown. He may have gone off the deep end, but part of the stressors (reportedly) were the bigotry, overt and subtle, that he experienced as a Muslim.

He is American, we are American, and there should no place in America for religious intolerance. I may not be a fan of organized religion, but I absolutely support the right of US citizens to worship as they please.

Religion is a relationship between you and your god. Religious institutions are only consultants. Organizations that can advise and assist.

The minute a religious organization says you will be damned if you do not do what we say, then that religious organization is corrupt. The minute any religion imposes their beliefs on anyone else, that religion is corrupt. America was founded by groups fleeing religious tyranny. And yet we still have even in America religions that would force on others their beliefs - as if America was supposed to be a Christian nation or a nation formed in the graces of god.

Once the Catholic Church would not impose their teachings on the US government. Now the pope orders Catholic law makers to impose church doctrine in American laws. Therefore we have a serious problem. American principles are under attack from the Catholic Church (and other religions).

What his religion is should never need be discussed. It is being discussed because we have a problem - even with his peers.

A more serious failing, in my opinion, is that this chap was showing warning signs and no one noticed. Supervisor? Regular mental health check? Friends and colleagues?

in hindsight, there are always signs. I'm wondering about his reported desire to leave the army after 9/11. He couldn't disentangle himself in 8 years?

Next time, don't wear your turban. :p

It's a shame that the citizenry hasn't been disarmed - then we could just genocide their asses.:sniper::apistola::magnum::flamer:

We Americans don't do anything ahead of time. Do something about global warming? Nah. Maintain or replace old bridges, power grids, etc.? No way, that would cost too much. Develop really effective air travel safety policies on Sept 10, 2001? That would inconvenience travellers, cost to much, and besides, we'll just invade anybody who would dare attack us (what, that would cost more?).

No, we're reactionary here in the US of A.

Calling shennanigans.

The guy was a shrink.

It's pretty much the cost of doing business in mental health that you will be insulted and berated through most of your day. You either find a way of dealing with it that doesn't involve shooting people (or yourself) or you find another field.



Dr. Hasan did not self-identify as an American.

While he has the right to worship as he pleases, he does not have the right to follow religious tenets such as:

Assumption. I can never accept that we are responsible for others stupid decisions. It comes down to personal responsibility.

That's right. If I poke you in the eye with a stick, and you hit me, YOU are the one who is going to jail for battery. :stickpoke

Yea, but you will be in surgery getting your nose fixed.

And actually you would also go to jail after you got out of the hospital. :)

of course I'm just speculating, since we really don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure he did identify as an American--at least before 9/11. After that, apparently not.

And I still think that we as a society need to do a better job in not spreading bigotry and religious intolerance.

Agreed. We certainly have come a long way in my lifetime.

I heard he was identified himself as Pakistani on some Army documents and that was considered one of the "warning signs" we're hearing about.
Agreed

I think you mean Palestinian, not Pakestani.

I just found this lil tidbit....

Nice - way to go.


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Me too - Why the hell wasn't something done sooner?