Our Back Bath Room
 

I was walking out back to day and saw this ,
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FUUUUUUCK !!!! This is NOT what I had in mind for a sunday afternoon !!!!!!
A Leak in the Smallest room in the house , How small you ask ??
4'x8'
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It Has to be the Water for the Toilet leaking , so I removed the toilet , and got set for a Wall-ectomy
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Wall-ectomy compleet , right side is dry , left is wet and has been wet ,and the Only Conclusion is that the leak is from UNDER the shower insert , FUUUUUUUUCK !!!!! Its going to take a sawsall to get that thing Out !!!!!!
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so I stuffed new DRY insulation back in the hole, put the toilet back , when we shower in the Morning I will see just where the water is coming from.

We have Talked about redoing that bath room for a while , so we are going to start getting Quotes this next week .

I have been afraid this was going on for some time , and it has !

Man, that sucks zip. :(

Water is brutal.
Your new bathroom is gonna be awesome though, good luck.

Thanks , lets see how this turns out

Or nail the door shut and deny everything.;)

No Can Do Bruce , its MY bath room , and the Only shower in the House

Ooh, serious business then. Code blue, top priority, money is no... well maybe a little, object. :haha:

Plumbing problems suck! I hope you get to the bottom of yours Zip.

Pssst Why is there a timer in your bathroom? :eyebrow:

Man, this is my #1 house problem too, right now. (#2, 3, 4 and 5 are almost as terrible)

Except I know where the water is coming from: the tile in the shower has gone so bad, with so many cracks in the caulking, that it all has to be redone, along with whatever is behind it! And duct tape is no longer a reliable fix.

yuck good luck Zip

On the bright side, at least you noticed the leak when you did. If you hadn't noticed it for another couple years when the toilet fell through the rotten floor, you might be replacing that whole corner of the house.

It looks like a cute bathroom now. Just wait until your done.
I'm sorry for you now but knowing you'll get something nice at the end of it should be a comfort to you.

oops did I just call a 'man bath' cute!:eek:

plumbing is right up there with nuclear winter for things that suck.

good luck, zip!

ain't homeownership grand?

I've showered in that bathroom.

Monnie broke it! It was Monnie!

That's what the timer was for. ;)

so we have 2 quotes and 2 more coming ,
INS Company sent a dude to look on the Tuesday after I posted the thread , we had a check in hand that Thursday (had to send it back , wrong Names , bad spelling etc,,,) ,
any way we are still in the planning stages of this But have picked out and Bought a New Sink / vanity ,
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and I want these tiles on the floor ,
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and this for the floor in the shower ,
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and Prolly this tile for the wall ,
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Nice, Zippy. Can I shower at your place? I promise I'll use the timer. ;)

Nice sink, porcelain or fiberglass? Either way, it looks big enough to set a bucket in, which is soooo handy. You have excellent taste... or at least a wife with it. That must be it, after all, she chose you. :thumb2:

porcelain, and Not deep enough to put a bucket in , But Deff deep enough to wash your Hair in ,
Now as to taste we Both agreed that it was Cool ,
now if I can talk Carol into the tiles I want ,
we shall see

No bucket? You need a higher spout, maybe one of those that pulls out to become a hand held... great for hair washing.

It really is good looking sink zip.

I like the whole thing. Three feets up!

You have nice taste zyp.

Thanks

And the tear out begins,
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Next weekend sheet rock and Prolly the shower !!!!!

Don't, stop, thinking about tomorrow. It's gonna be a killer bathroom.:thumb:

So Yesterday I commenced to de sheetrock and de Shower the Room ,
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I Knew we had Water damage but once I got the shower Out , Holly Moldy !!!!
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FUUUUUCK !!!!
damn red necks we got the house from , or that Built it , Didnt box in around the drain for the shower , NOW I have to Tear out and replace All that Nasty Ass Soaked rotten wood !!!
FUUUUUUCCCKKKK !!!!!!

These Pics are going to the Ins dude !!!

We are in the process of redoing our bathroom too. The one off our bedroom.

Ours is nasty, rotten and moldy too. :(

Dude, now's a great time to tear out that fiberglass and replace it with 2" blueboard. Cut it undersized, then foam around the cracks.

get rid of that grey piping and replace it with pex. my brother says that there are class action suits against the manufacturers of that grey shit.

Footz are you talking about foam Insulation ??
And I Agree with the Spray in Foam , I was thinking of seeing if there is a contracter in this Area that will spray in the WHOLE walls .
But Big Planks of Foam Would Prolly be Way Cheaper !

And Jim , That Pipeing is Oh So fixing to be History !

Are you talking about this Kind of stuff Squirlle / Footz
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Yeah, that's the shit.
layer it up to fill the depth of the wall cavity, cut it so it fits loosely, use a couple of nails to hold it in place. (drive em sideways into the studs, then bend them to apply pressure to the boards to keep them tight to the wall) Use expanding spray foam to fill the cracks. A little dab'll do ya--it really expands. Trim the spray foam when it dries and re-rock the wall.
You can use odd pieces too, the foam glues it all together. Just be sure that the spray foam doesn't get behind the board and push it away.
Here's a photo:

You probably know this, but if that shower is going to have tile walls, don't use sheetrock (or wax coated sheetrock known as greenboard.) Use Durock or Hardibacker. Only use sheetrock in dry areas of the bathroom. And put tar paper behind the Durock or Hardibacker to protect the studs. Lap the bottom of the tar paper into the shower pan so water that gets into the wall drains into the pan. Fasten the Durock or Hardibacker with epoxy coated screws.

shit, you probably know all this, so I hope you don't think I'm insulting your intelligence. But sheetrock and/or greenboard should never be used in a shower, except maybe on the ceiling.

I learned something knew, Glatt...about the tar paper thing...as a result of your post.

There are other proprietary membranes you can use too, but the tar paper is by far the cheapest and works great under a concrete panel.

Good points,Glatt! I forgot he wasn't using a one piece unit in the shower.

I like this stuff called permabase for tile backing, it's a lot less brittle than durock or hardibacker and has better tooth for the mud.

Mud! That's another thing. When I redid our old leaking shower, I learned a lot during the demo. Do NOT use mastic for the tiles in a wet area. Use thinset mortar. The tiles held on by mastic just popped off with a putty knife and a little twist of my wrist. In fact, some of them had fallen off when the shower just got normal use. But one wall had tiles held on by thinset mortar, and I needed a hammer and cold chisel to get those off.

Wait a second here - I'm about a month behind Zip on my bath, but I thought the greenboard was specifically for bathrooms and "wetter" areas. I am not tiling and will be doing a one piece (hopefully) shower insert install. I need to replace some of the ceiling and top foot or two on the walls about the shower insert. I was planning on using the greenboard. Is that incorrect?

I have no experience with one piece shower units, but if it were my bathroom and I was installing a one piece unit, I'd follow the installation instructions that come with the unit so I don't void the warranty. If they don't address what to use for the top foot or two, I'd probably use concrete backer board, coated with a hard setting (plaster based) drywall compound that could give me a smooth paintable surface. Drywall/greenboard would probably be ok here too, since it will be exposed to the air and will dry quickly when it gets condensations and splatters on it. I'd use regular drywall on the ceiling.

Who wants to come over and redo the master bathroom here? I'll give you like $500.

After I completed the tub surround I did in my house, I crunched the numbers. I do good work, but I take about 80 times longer than a professional would to complete the project, and I'd need to charge roughly 5 times more than that same professional would. I simply am too inefficient.

Let's just say that it's good we had two bathrooms.

OK $700.

One piece units usually get nailed right to the studs through the flange. You want to set the base in a large blob of either thinset or this stuff that I can't remember right now. anyway, you use green board where ever sheetrock would be. It has a slightly water resistant paper. You can tile on top of drywall, but only for areas that will stay dry. In a shower you need to use thinset on backerboard. Glatt is right, avoid mastic.

Is that for labor only or labor and materials?

Labor only, I need at minimum a new shower space, but there might bealmost surely is the kind of rot that Zip's finding.

Hmmm. You need to post some pics.

Is lodging included? and 3 squares? (I ask on squirells behalf)

Wow Cool 2 Bilder Bob types throwing GOOD Advice !!!
And I am NOT Offended at ALL !!
I was thinking of useing Backer Board on ALL the Walls And THE Celing .
I dont Ever want to have to Mess with this AGAIN !!

Ok , Reconstruction Begins,
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This Back Corner was a BITCH !!!!!!!!
Untill I rembered I had some Pieces of Oak 4x4 ,
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And we are going to get the Laundry room Tiled as well so carol Has Been KICKING some SERIOUS ASS !! taking up the Old Linoleum !!
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Shes down to working on the Corners and Edges , and she just started on it Yesterday Afternoon !

I don't envy you two, that's a shitload of nasty, back breaking work.

Trust me I would rather be doing Most ANY thing else ,
But as My Mom tought me growing up ,
Any thing Good is worth working for , and if you can do it your self it is worth Even More ,
And If you can Learn some things along the way its worth even More !!

Plus We be to Poor to Hire some body to do all this for us

You'll be more thorough about getting the mold out than someone who doesn't live there. What a PIA job. :thepain:

Hall of fame nominee! :thumbsup:

This thread is absolutely great.
We're planning a remod of our master bath this spring; thinking about putting in a steam shower where the soaking tub is now. So we'd need to tile the ceiling in the new shower, and seal the whole thing in. And I'd like to use greenboard everywhere else. Does that make sense?

This is gonna be fun.

Chris: On the back wall where the pvc pipe is, I see a problem.The studs are not flush with the wall. How are you going to fit the cement board flush with the wall?
Measure twice and cut once, before cutting any material. You do not want buy it twice.

Solution to your problem. One way is to rip a half inch from a 2 by 4 an glue it to the existing studs. The second idea is to rip the studs out and start over again. The first suggestion is a lot easier. your choice.

that was my roommate...make sure that your studs are flush with the floorplates before installing the paneling. he says to rip it out and do it again but make sure all studs line up with the existing studs and floor plates

if you try to install the cement board then it will not fit flush to the floor which will encumber your shower pan and tile installation. you can get away with it but do it right to begin with.....measure twice cut once.....