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Perhaps this belongs in the weird news thread. I found it refreshing that he took a stand on his morals even at a rather substantial monetary loss. I can only assume there are others... So whatcha got?

Whew! With that "No Sex Please" bit...I--I thought we'd lost ya.:(

lulz - not a chance in hell for that one.

Kind of ironic that he refuses to do sex scenes because he's Catholic while so many Catholic priests don't feel that same restraint.

I love ultra-pure Catholics. :lol:

You are again confusing their beliefs with the institution. And to say its "so many" seems rather disingenuous. Singling them out when it was already clearly shown that is not a situation limited to just Catholics.

And again: if you're a MEMBER of the Catholic Church, then you are a part of the institution. Individual behaviors aside, you back that institution.

If I spent half my time denying being a member of the Eagles, out of shame, I should probably drop my membership.

Sex scenes on those kinds of shows are always disgusting anyway. All close-ups and slobbering and slurping noises. He should have just come out and say it's gross, and he won't be a part of it, instead of hiding behind his noble church. :lol:

You bitching that he's a family man too? Cuz thats part of the reason as well.

They like to puff up and beat their chest. They love being Catholic, molesting priests and hypocrisy and all. That is all Shel is saying...the dichotomy is usually only seen by us heathen outsiders.

He condones the institution, by using it as his reasoning.

PS...wait a minute. Who do you mean by "you bitching because he's a family man" crap? No one here said that. Though, now that you mention it, I just think he's even more a hypocrite.

Does it make him less of a family man if he does a sex scene?

My point is that he chooses not to do sex scenes for two reasons.
1) Family Man
2) Religion

Not one, but two stupid reasons.

You forgot:

3) he's ugly

He looks unpleasant. Why would I want to see him in any form of undress?

Smarmy looking. (nice way of saying uh, ewwwwwwwwwwww)

His face says "I am good man. Just look at me. Look how good I am. Men who do sex scenes are bad fathers. I am good father. See?"

I don't give a hoot if he doesn't want to do sex scenes, it's his hiding it under his self-professed nobility that makes me ill.

I wouldn't want to do sex scenes either, because it's entertainment for stupid people with no imaginations and no prospects, but I am also not an overpaid overrated two bit actor.

Probably just has a tiny dick.

I generally fancy "ugly" or "unconventional" men (speech marks because to me they're yummy).

Steve Pemberton, Ian Hislop, Frank Skinner, David Baddiel (although he was gorg when he was younger!) I'd pay to see any of them in a state of undress. Better yet, naked with any of the others! I'm a sick, sick woman....

But really, look them up on YouTube, IMHO they're the cream of English comedy. Well, they rise to the top anyway ;)

I'd do Steve Buscemi in a heartbeat. He's a different kind of "not conventionally good looking." Or Benicio Del Toro. That dude up thar looks like a pasty half-woman. :lol:

People spend way to much time judging faces. As a gay man, one thing I've learned is, if you fuck 'em in the ass, it doesn't matter if they even HAVE a face.
But if you fuck 'em in the face, you're shit out of luck. :D

Ya, but see, what you don't understand about those other churches is excuse, excuse, justification, and redirection. I'm a little disappointed in you...

But, you see, you wake up next to the face. Unless you're sleeping with your face in his butt.

Or sneak out at 2am, but I digress.

Just like politicians, they are all the same. I'm a lot more tainted than you think.

Whoever molested a priest?


Hi, my name's Gravdigr. I like walks on the beach, kittehs, pink hair, and women who like ugly, unconventional men...

Ugly & unconventional...I just may be your dream man!:rolleyes:

Leave your taint outta this.

I don't do those kinds of scenes either. ;)

I'll give you everything, but I have to reallllllllllllllly like you, and that includes the face part of you. You don't have to be a beauty, just a real and honest person with a ton of personality and smarts. And by "you" I mean "not you." And by "not you" I mean "no one here specifically so don't be offended." :lol2:



I did. No not really. I really must have my brain looked at. :greenface

Rimjob. --shot, rimshot, yeah that's it.

I get home delivery and I don't let the leftovers stay overnight.

:D

I have to say I'm a little bit disappointed in you, Jinx. Not enough not to love you and all that, just enough for a little sadness to creep in.

I'm sure it's because I was raised Catholic.
If I'd been raised atheist I'd prbably be anti-Catholic anyway, What with the birth control thing and all. I just knew so many decent devout people growing up. And of course grew up under the IRA threat. We had to be whiter than white to prove we weren't terrorists ourselves. No, really - Grandad's surname is Doyle - it was an issue.

I've said before, I am a dyed in the wool atheiest. Nothing short of a personal vision (and that's likely to be drug-induced) will get me to believe in God.

But I do believe that individual people have better ideals than those they are supposed to represent. I would never accuse members of this forum of torture. And I'm sure they would not accuse me - but it has happened. I would not call every single American here a racist because of the Ku Klux Klan, and I would hope no-one would tar me with the same brush as the BNP.

Ha.
I've just defended a religion I don't believe in, while arguing with Dana about another religion I don't believe in. Sigh.

Yes, I'm sure it is too.
I think though, that if you stayed on point long enough, instead of trying to make it about everything else you can possibly think of, you'd have to agree there is no excuse.

I was raised Catholic. 1st grade to 6th grade, Catholic Elementary school. 7th and 8th grade, CCD. 9th grade, rents say it's now up to me. Buh-bye church. I don't trust you. I laid awake at night convinced I would writhe in eternal hell-fire because I looked up an answer on my homework or something. Who needs subjugation by fear?

I think it's because very single Catholic person I know is anti-paedophilia. There is no excuse for it; no-one I know tries to suggest there is any excuse for it; the priests I know (including my Godfather and our family priest for years, who is still a friend of the family) would not condone it...

What has happened is awful. I'm not suggesting otherwise. I do try to stay on point, but when people suggest that being Catholic is ticking a box to say paedos are okay, I use my personal experience to suggest otherwise, or draw comparisons so that people raised outside the Catholic church can understand.

You (by your own admission) can't understand how anyone could continue to be a Catholic after the recent scandals. I, as an atheist, can. I'm pretty sure you know this is not a personal attack. But of course I will defend my family and their friends; knowing as I do that something like paedophilia is anathema to them.

I don't have to share their faith to defend them - if anything I'd think it would clear my eyes.

This is where we differ...
I think showing up every week, going thru the rituals, and handing out financial support equates to saying "Keep up the good work".
I'm not trying to make it personal, I know quite a few current and ex-catholics myself, but it doesn't change how I feel.

If a pedophile owns a Ford and molests children in the vehicle, is it Fords fault?
Would you not buy a Ford because of it?

If the man worked at Sony and molested children there, would you not buy anything from Sony?

For the record, I do not donate to any church.

So not the same thing, and you know it.

If you worked at Sony, and there was a daycare center there, and there was a known pedophile working there, actively molesting children, would your children attend there? Hell no, you'd raise bloody hell and have that person thrown out on their ass.

But not priests. After all, they're priests.

I went through nine years of Catholic school, and like SG I almost became an athiest. Sadistic and perverted nuns and priests were only part of the problem. Sitting in a shithole overseas, I started reading the Bible, and couldn't believe anyone who read the Bible could possibly continue to believe what the church was teaching.
Thank God for putting me in a position to learn the truth.
Don't equate belief in God with any denomination. Jesus didn't, and I don't.
If I've offended any Catholics or athiests, or any other group, sorry.

Most Christian Churches encourage members to read/study the Bible, but the Roman Catholic Church doesn't, they tell members to read/memorize Catechism.

You forgot to add IMHO

First off, "He's a family man and a Catholic," are Nikki Finke's words, not a direct quote. We don't know what he's said, but what ever his reasons are, he's certainly entitled to them.

IMHO. The reason I feel they are stupid is that he is acting. The whole point of it is that you are portraying a situation, not actually in a situation. It is drama. Many Catholics and family men have portrayed sexual situations.

I'm not gay, but I would kiss a guy on stage. One is not playing one's self. It's acting.

Turn up every week and 'go through the rituals' ? If you're a devout catholic those rituals are your access to God. They're not empty, they're not interchangeable with any other rituals; they're the same rituals which lay behind hundreds of years of religious contention and outright war n Europe.

There are two or three major distinctions between Catholicism and protestantism; one of which relates to the need for priestly intercession, and another to transubstantiation. If you believe in these things, then there isn't an option to go elsewhere. If you leave the Catholic Church, you leave God's Church. Everything else that has happened, from priests buggering the choirboys, to nuns beating the shit out of orphans, is human sin, which has crept into God's Church. Terribly sad and upsetting that such sin has made it to the higher echelons, and now it seems even the very top; but human sin nonetheless.

I wasn't raised a catholic; but my Grandad on my Mum's side was catholic and my Dad's parents also. I met some fascinating and lovely people in the Church, whilst accompanying Gran to various things when she needed assistance; and I also met some outstanding hypocrites and sharks. It was those experiences, most particularly a pilgramage to Lourdes, that turned me into a confirmed atheist.

I have no love of catholicism, I see it as a dirty trick. It's a closed system. It isn't like any other form of Christianity (imo) and if you are inside it there is no way out without a near total and traumatic loss of faith. The function of guilt, sin and absolution within that system make it (again imo) less likely than in other denominations of Christianity, that people will react against the presence of sin by leaving the church. The role of priests is essential and incontrovertable to most practising catholics. Leaving the Church means leaving the priests, means losing the path to God. Leaving the Church means leaving behind the body and the blood of Christ (transubstantiation).

Catholicism is something which underlies identity. Catholic first. Everything else after.

But you do have a line somewhere, surely. Would you make out with a guy on stage for upwards of 30 minutes, including copious groping of your genitalia? Would you do so completely naked? Would you give him a blow job? At some point, you'd become uncomfortable with the proceedings--or Jacquelita would.

:: stabs himself in his mind's eye ::

thanks, clobble, for pulling up short of the vigorous anal part.

Hehheh

She was saving the vigorous anal part for the description of the priests.

You save the 'vigorous anal' for the encore.:cool:

Look, I don't care if they believe they're reverse vampires and god has a space ship waiting for them on the moon. There's a right way and a wrong way to deal with sex crimes, catholics are not exempt. I understand they want to save their eternal ass at any cost, I think they're in the wrong.

You are giving the church too much credit. As Lynn Abraham DA for Philadelphia proved, the church was aware of pedophilia by the hundreds. They did not do the right or wrong way. They did nothing. They knew of hundreds of pedophile priests only in in one diocese. Their records show it. And they did virtually nothing.

That was only one Philadelphia area diocese. How many more just in the Philly area did nothing? The attitude so pervasive as to exist in Germany, Ireland, Australia, and where will it be ‘discovered’ next? When do priests in Vatican City get discovered? Or is pedophilia legal in that nation.

You give then too much credit for dealing with it the wrong way. They literally did nothing to solve the problem.

In my admittedly uninformed opinion, the Catholic Church exists to perpetuate itself. it does this by placing itself in the path between the flock and salvation. It is a power play and nothing else. The Priests have the power over the congregation. Who would be attracted to the life of a Catholic Priest? Someone who wants power over others. I'm sure not ALL Priests are attracted for that reason, but like anything else.....

It's just like the way that bully in your high school ended up being a cop.

The FACT that the church routinely ignores/condones/sanctions/facilitates pedophilia should be enough to wake up anyone with a strong moral compass. It would HAVE to be a deal breaker.

If you continue to support a group that does shit like this, you're culpable.

I draw the line at actual arousal.

Your arousal, or his? I once had to kiss a guy on stage who had a very obvious erection. I figured it wasn't his fault...

Mine. What other people are experiencing is their deal!

eta It's kind of hard hard to say precisely, but acting is acting. Saw a play a few years ago where part of the cast was fully naked for the first act. Saw another that simulated sexual abuse of a teenager. These were the two most interesting plays I've ever seen.

Okay, so as long as you're not aroused, the other guy can be totally into it, and that wouldn't bother you? What if the other guy is, like, whispering things in your ear that aren't part of his lines for the play?

What if it's only a small, innocuous kiss with a woman on stage, but you do have a huge crush on your fellow actress? Would you say no to doing that scene?

I say all this as a person who feels pretty much the same way you do, but I've always been fairly indifferent to physicality, and I'm aware that I'm different than most people in that respect. I'm just curious where other people's lines are.

#1, then it's not acting and I suppose I would have a problem.

#2, it's no problem because I'm playing a character and so is the actress.

Patricia Arquette used to make Nic Cage eat onions before he had a sex scene.

I was gonna put up a picture of his co-star with a smart comment but it turns out Virginia Madsen isn't actually attractive so even a non-pro could do a pretty serious scene without crossing your line.

We'd have to ask Sheldon for confirmation but my gaydar goes off when I see Neal.

Virginia Madsen was hotter than a two dollar pistol back in the day.

I had googled her pics since I didn't recall ever seeing her... maybe she moves well or something... <shrug> kinda looks like she has a migraine. I miss stuff sometimes and this is prolly one of those times.

Wow. I just looked up some images, and you're right--that is a damn fine description of what her face is doing.

This is what i think, every time I see this thread title:

yah, me too

This is interesting. She's an actress who has also done sex scenes, so she presumably knows the deal.

I've never acted, but I understand there are a couple different schools of acting. One of them is that it's all pretend, and the other is that you are trying to actually get into the mind of the character. To live as the character would live. And you just act naturally while becoming that character. You hear stories of these actors going around "in character" while on the set. Seems like doing a sex scene in that form of acting would be like actually "making love" even if there is no penetration.

I've heard that some actors who do sex scenes in movies actually hook up in real life. Penelope Cruz is known for sleeping with many of her co-stars. I'm not sure if it's just for fun, or maybe it's a way to deal with emotions felt while going through the scenes. But apparently Patricia Aquette knows.

Having seen kisses filmed (not sex scenes I admit) they are the most unerotic things ever. Surrounded by full crew with lights, being told when to start and stop, having marks to hit and lines and direction to remember.

Can't say it would put me in the mood for a repeat in my trailer.

On-stage kisses... well. I did fall for my devastating Bugsy Malone when I played Bousey Brown. But I was 13 at the time.

It's called rehearsing. ;)

And sometimes it's even encouraged by the director. In high school, I had to kiss a boy in a play, and neither of us was particularly attracted to the other. The theatre teacher instructed us to go make out together, so we'd be comfortable kissing on stage. (We never did.)

Jeez.... You have to exercise your instrument. Where's your dedication to your art? [/self-important actor]